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Justice System PvP - Please explain exactly WHY you are for / against this content!
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
...and people would not care to grind there anymore,jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
It would be a great quest zone if made into a PVE version (so there would be two versions, one PVP and one PVE and you choose when entering zone). Loads of people have expressed wanting there to be a PVE version of IC because it's an interesting place (scenery totally wasted on PVPers who could just as easily be thrown into a featureless pit and be happy). Bet you anything it would quickly become populated, far more than the PVP version.
And sell more too.
Who wants the grind anyway, PVE players would be there to enjoy the quests and the scenery. Is such a waste having that whole area there and having so few of the player base using it. With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastbloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »,jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
It would be a great quest zone if made into a PVE version (so there would be two versions, one PVP and one PVE and you choose when entering zone). Loads of people have expressed wanting there to be a PVE version of IC because it's an interesting place (scenery totally wasted on PVPers who could just as easily be thrown into a featureless pit and be happy). Bet you anything it would quickly become populated, far more than the PVP version.
And sell more too.
i say this often whenever its relevant, but i just want one, ONE, campaign of cyrodiil that is FULLY pve, no pvp whatsoever
i would love to explore, to be able to pick up those random on the side of the road quests, to sight see, to roleplay, all without the fear of a ganker lieing in wait to kill someone just out to enjoy the scenery
id pay for it, i would literally PAY FULL DLC price for just one pve only campaign of cyrodiil
So you want an immersion-breaking zone where you can roleplay the war is not a part of the lore of Tamriel in this time frame?
Personally, any time I want to visit Cyrodiil without the rush of other people being present, I just boot up Oblivion again.
But, as someone passionate about the PvE in Cyrodiil (it is my favourite PvE in game), Cyrodiil without the war mechanics would be bland and oversized.Edited by Samadhi on April 19, 2016 2:56PM"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
...and people would not care to grind there anymore,jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
It would be a great quest zone if made into a PVE version (so there would be two versions, one PVP and one PVE and you choose when entering zone). Loads of people have expressed wanting there to be a PVE version of IC because it's an interesting place (scenery totally wasted on PVPers who could just as easily be thrown into a featureless pit and be happy). Bet you anything it would quickly become populated, far more than the PVP version.
And sell more too.
Who wants the grind anyway, PVE players would be there to enjoy the quests and the scenery. Is such a waste having that whole area there and having so few of the player base using it. With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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it seems all the drama between pvp and pve'ers can be solved by simply added a fully pve campaign of cyrodiil
someone at zos better be frigging reading this thread3 -
Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
Wow your bias is really showing.PVPers don't deserve anything but PVErs scraps that what you sound like.You have more then 95% of this game is PVE only a small percentage is PVP and you want that gone as well.Most PVPer don't go to IC anymore because their no reason for them to go their.Its full of Mobs its Mobs everywhere it do tedious to PVP their because every couple of seconds you have to kills mobs just to finished PVPing.You know what will make IC a hit making the district capturable and have them affect someone becoming EMP will draw a lot of attention of the PVPers they still have and show some that left that they care.To make sure zergs are not a problem add a limit to the amount of players in each faction can have in a district Keep the sewers as is and add lock imperial city access back to campaign and force people who want access to it to partake in the alliance war or you don't get access to the content.This also open up more rooms for PVPErs who are force to wait in a Queue because Imperial city is full of PVErs while you faction is stuck at your home keeosjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
It would be a great quest zone if made into a PVE version (so there would be two versions, one PVP and one PVE and you choose when entering zone). Loads of people have expressed wanting there to be a PVE version of IC because it's an interesting place (scenery totally wasted on PVPers who could just as easily be thrown into a featureless pit and be happy). Bet you anything it would quickly become populated, far more than the PVP version.
And sell more too.1 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastSo you want an immersion-breaking zone where you can roleplay the war is not a part of the lore of Tamriel in this time frame?
Pretty much all PVE players are wanting to be able to group with each other cross faction at this stage of the game...I think you'll find for most PVE players, nobody gives a damn about the war - we just want to play together
A PVE version of IC and a PVE version of Cyrodiil, plus allowing players to group together in PVE areas regardless of faction, would be just the ticket now.
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Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastbloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »
...and people would not care to grind there anymore,jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
It would be a great quest zone if made into a PVE version (so there would be two versions, one PVP and one PVE and you choose when entering zone). Loads of people have expressed wanting there to be a PVE version of IC because it's an interesting place (scenery totally wasted on PVPers who could just as easily be thrown into a featureless pit and be happy). Bet you anything it would quickly become populated, far more than the PVP version.
And sell more too.
Who wants the grind anyway, PVE players would be there to enjoy the quests and the scenery. Is such a waste having that whole area there and having so few of the player base using it. With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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it seems all the drama between pvp and pve'ers can be solved by simply added a fully pve campaign of cyrodiil
someone at zos better be frigging reading this thread
Yea if they do this they should also add a Full PVP enabled Tamerial.Please someone at ZOS read this it will fix some many problems if they enabled PVP everywhere.1 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past...With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Both IC and Cyrodiil are already used on a regular basis.
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones.
Saying this as someone who already plays Cyrodiil and IC PvE on a regular basis.
PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones...PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones....With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Nope, PVE players would love to have PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I don't think you can possibly speak for what we'd find appealing...certainly having PVP stripped out would greatly increase those zones' appeal to PVE players.
As for player retention, PVE players are far more likely to stick with a game so long as the social options are good (along with fluff and fun things)...it's the PVP players who rush headfirst into every new game that has PVP in it just so they can briefly experience being top of the pile by grinding levels faster than most others...then leave that game once all other players have caught up to them and the bonuses from having more skills better gear and higher levels no longer help them. Then the PVP players all rush off to the next new game, rinse and repeat 1 -
Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past.I think you'll find for most PVE players, nobody gives a damn about the war - we just want to play together
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While I think it's fine for the 1-50 part of the story, yep pretty much afterwards I just don't care about the war at all. I only endured the stupidity of Cyrodil PvP long enough to get Proxy Det on my main and I never ever looked back. I go to IC when I need to for a chance at the polymorphs or if my rp-group wants to kill a lot of daedra in the Imperial City.
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bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pasti strongly disagree @Samadhi
I want just one campaign of cyrodiil to be fully pve, yes, but this should indeed come at the cost of the ability to earn AP or Tel var, thats a given and i cant believe im having to explain this
yes, a fully pve campaign of cyrodiil would have all of the pvp currency taken out.
it should be left with nothing but normal loot and xp drops, yes
i honesly cant believe i have to list this, or maybe i should believe it, since this is the internet, people will try to twist what you are saying/wanting to meet their ends
@Jaronking
ONE campaign, one, that is pve, compared to all the campaigns devoted to pvp, and you believe in recompense, despite all the past posts explaining why its a bad idea, you believe that just recompense is every single pve zone should be turned into pvp.
im not argueing this further, that is wholly ridiculous
@babylon
honestly it doesnt even have to be cross faction, just make the campaign for one faction, reset the forts to where each faction has a equal amount of forts. make it where its impossible to take said forts. and just let us roam free of burden1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the past
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones...PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones....With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Nope, PVE players would love to have PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I don't think you can possibly speak for what we'd find appealing...certainly having PVP stripped out would greatly increase those zones' appeal to PVE players.
I'm a 95% PVE'er and I'd find 100% PVE version of Cyrodiil and IC completely dull, empty and boring.
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Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastanitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones...PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones....With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Nope, PVE players would love to have PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I don't think you can possibly speak for what we'd find appealing...certainly having PVP stripped out would greatly increase those zones' appeal to PVE players.
I'm a 95% PVE'er and I'd find 100% PVE version of Cyrodiil and IC completely dull, empty and boring.
I think if they increased the number of quests and NPC's that you could interact with, maybe prepped it for some sort of expansion update in the future, it could be a lot of fun as a strictly PvE zone.2 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past.
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones...PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones....With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Nope, PVE players would love to have PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I don't think you can possibly speak for what we'd find appealing...certainly having PVP stripped out would greatly increase those zones' appeal to PVE players.
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Speaking as a PvE player, would hate pure PvE versions of IC and Cyrodiil. "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastCant they just overhaul Cyrodil's landscape, cooler castles, more siege weapons etc. While they are it, why not to turn Cyrodil into standalone F2P game, that should mean theres action around the clock. I personally think my main problem is that Cyrodil is just boring place, same old castles and keeps again after again.Edited by Sausage on April 19, 2016 3:14PM1 -
NobleNerd✭✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Frenkthevile wrote: »I want PvP in all zones, because it works GREAT in Black Desert and gives more immersion and more importance to the guild
I havent heard many good things about BDO. Also the world pvp doesnt just mean BDO is some massive PK fest. There are very very severe penalties for killing people who dont wish to fight.
The Karma system is being revamped soon, but there should be penalties for PKing players that don't wish to participate. The PvP Justice System could have offered the same thing & left it to the players to control it.
I have played BDO since launch with members of my guild that became frustrated with how ESO was developing or the lack of it. There is very little negative I would say about the MMO.... it is freaking awesome!Edited by NobleNerd on April 19, 2016 3:14PM1 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past.
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones...PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones....With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Nope, PVE players would love to have PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I don't think you can possibly speak for what we'd find appealing...certainly having PVP stripped out would greatly increase those zones' appeal to PVE players.
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Speaking as a PvE player, would hate pure PvE versions of IC and Cyrodiil.
By PVE player you mean you don't like to PVP? Because everything you've said goes against that. PVE players tend to dabble in PVP but don't enjoy it all that much, or don't enjoy it at all...most PVE players have set foot in PVP zones, but just don't enjoy it enough to go back often, if ever at all. Or do it just to get a few extra points and skills, then soon as that's done get the hell outta Dodge.
I'm not sure you can say "speaking as a PVE player" with a straight face
Regardless, if ZOS would just make PVE only versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I think PVE players would enjoy having access to those areas greatly. Could even add in more mobs and trees into Cyrodiil again so it looks like it should, before all the nerfs to the environment due to PVP lag.
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastbloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »i strongly disagree
I want just one campaign of cyrodiil to be fully pve, yes, but this should indeed come at the cost of the ability to earn AP or Tel var, thats a given and i cant believe im having to explain this
yes, a fully pve campaign of cyrodiil would have all of the pvp currency taken out.
it should be left with nothing but normal loot and xp drops, yes
i honesly cant believe i have to list this, or maybe i should believe it, since this is the internet, people will try to twist what you are saying/wanting to meet their ends
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It is fine for you to disagree. Unlike some people, personally recognize that, as a primarily PvE player, not all PvE players hold the same interests.
Similarly, I cannot stand Trials or group dungeons, as my anxiety condition prevents me from doing group PvE content both here and in other games. Define myself primarily as a solo-PvE player, who ESO has provided an appreciation of PvP to.
Cyrodiil is currently PvE that appeals to me rather than to you, and that is fine.
A PvP-stripped version would also come with reduced exp gains and less appealing zone drops though. The reason it has decent exp and drops at all is due to a system of risk and reward."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastShadesofkin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones...PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones....With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Nope, PVE players would love to have PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I don't think you can possibly speak for what we'd find appealing...certainly having PVP stripped out would greatly increase those zones' appeal to PVE players.
I'm a 95% PVE'er and I'd find 100% PVE version of Cyrodiil and IC completely dull, empty and boring.
I think if they increased the number of quests and NPC's that you could interact with, maybe prepped it for some sort of expansion update in the future, it could be a lot of fun as a strictly PvE zone.
i think it would be alot of fun as it is now turned fully pve zone, and ill always maintain that1 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastbloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »i strongly disagree
I want just one campaign of cyrodiil to be fully pve, yes, but this should indeed come at the cost of the ability to earn AP or Tel var, thats a given and i cant believe im having to explain this
yes, a fully pve campaign of cyrodiil would have all of the pvp currency taken out.
it should be left with nothing but normal loot and xp drops, yes
i honesly cant believe i have to list this, or maybe i should believe it, since this is the internet, people will try to twist what you are saying/wanting to meet their ends
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It is fine for you to disagree. Unlike some people, personally recognize that, as a primarily PvE player, not all PvE players hold the same interests.
Similarly, I cannot stand Trials or group dungeons, as my anxiety condition prevents me from doing group PvE content both here and in other games. Define myself primarily as a solo-PvE player, who ESO has provided an appreciation of PvP to.
Cyrodiil is currently PvE that appeals to me rather than to you, and that is fine.
A PvP-stripped version would also come with reduced exp gains and less appealing zone drops though. The reason it has decent exp and drops at all is due to a system of risk and reward.
i would fully accept a drop in xp and desired item drops if it meant a fully pve cyrodiil, honestly id accept getting absolutly nothing if it meant it, though that is not my prefered penalty lol
the great idea of there just being ONE campaign pve, the greatest thing about it, is that people can opt to not go into that campaign, but i and many others would absolutly love it, even with reduced rewards from quest or content.2 -
Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastbloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »Shadesofkin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones...PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones....With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Nope, PVE players would love to have PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I don't think you can possibly speak for what we'd find appealing...certainly having PVP stripped out would greatly increase those zones' appeal to PVE players.
I'm a 95% PVE'er and I'd find 100% PVE version of Cyrodiil and IC completely dull, empty and boring.
I think if they increased the number of quests and NPC's that you could interact with, maybe prepped it for some sort of expansion update in the future, it could be a lot of fun as a strictly PvE zone.
i think it would be alot of fun as it is now turned fully pve zone, and ill always maintain that
It would need a few things, mainly you'd need objectives in the delves, World Bosses, and add some PvE quests into the various keeps.2 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastlets not forget cyrodiil is scaled, think of how much people would love to have a non-dlc zone to be able to group with lower levels, friends that just joined the game, all without the fear of some vr16 comeing up and killing you and your friend while you are enjoying a delve, or recovering from killing a delve boss1
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bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastShadesofkin wrote: »bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »Shadesofkin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
PvE versions would remove the appeal along with the rewards stripped out in rebalancing the zones...PvE versions would not have the player retention compared to the team investing in new zones....With a PVE version the area would get to be used (as well as sell many more copies of the DLC). Also the same should happen for Cyrodiil (add in a PVE version).
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Nope, PVE players would love to have PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I don't think you can possibly speak for what we'd find appealing...certainly having PVP stripped out would greatly increase those zones' appeal to PVE players.
I'm a 95% PVE'er and I'd find 100% PVE version of Cyrodiil and IC completely dull, empty and boring.
I think if they increased the number of quests and NPC's that you could interact with, maybe prepped it for some sort of expansion update in the future, it could be a lot of fun as a strictly PvE zone.
i think it would be alot of fun as it is now turned fully pve zone, and ill always maintain that
It would need a few things, mainly you'd need objectives in the delves, World Bosses, and add some PvE quests into the various keeps.
the fighters guild has a skill that offers bounties in cyrodiil, simply allow that to be for everyone, or even expand on that to include clearing out delve, would be relativly simple to program in since its already done with dlc
i dont think it needs it, since every major settlement has daily quest chains, but if you think it needs it, thats an idea for ya0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastI'm not sure you can say "speaking as a PVE player" with a straight face
Regardless, if ZOS would just make PVE only versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I think PVE players would enjoy having access to those areas greatly. Could even add in more mobs and trees into Cyrodiil again so it looks like it should, before all the nerfs to the environment due to PVP lag.
If I understand you well, a PVE'er's opinion isn't valid "because reasons", a PVP'er's opinion isn't valid "because reasons", but you feel entitled to say "we PVE'ers" with full legitimacy ?
Lol.
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Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
In this case the people who want to kill other players are in the minority.
Open world PVP players are a very small minority (and they're always very vocal and aggressively forceful in forums, trying very hard to push their agenda, an agenda that would basically make large numbers of players quit the game and leave the servers a ghost town, same as any open world PVP has done to any game ever made). I'm sure ZOS has done their research on this as well.
The actual topic doesn't matter anymore but wow o.O
The guy who started this thread sounded like one of most reasonable and nice people I've seen on these forums, trying to go to great lengths to explain why he thinks the idea he likes could work all the while staying respectful and considerate to other people's playstyle and opinions. There have been plenty of constructive responses discussing how this could be implemented without interfering with those players that don't like PvP, discussing the arguments for and against in the most constructive manner possible(granted that's not all the responses but a very considerable number of them, right here in this very thread), and your most constructive response is to flatout call all the people whose opinion differs from yours "always very vocal and aggressively forceful, trying very hard to push their selfish agenda" basically?
You know, that idea may or may not have worked, we'll never know, and it may well have been spoilt and abused by people had it ever made it to live(or even PTS), but wow. Til this thread I'd generally been defending poor PvE-ers that are so afraid of PvP and get ganked so bad in Cyrodiil when all they want is to quest in peace. I'd never realized that some of the poor ganked PvE-ers can be that toxic, way moreso than most "griefing" and "ganking" and "abusing" PvPers. Now I do. Not a happy revelation but guess at least partially explains why ESO is what it is.
On actual topic, I still think it would've probably been a great mess but I'd take it over the stale boredom we have now. That's just me and several dozen my friends though.4 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastSevalaricgirl wrote: »ZOS has done the right thing. PvP does not belong in PvE areas. PvP in the justice system means that those who don't want to PvP won't be able to participate in the justice system. We're talking about ZOS. There is no way they can separate a PvP justice system and a PvE justice system.
The current justice system doesn't really punish you for breaking the law. That's why the PvP part of it is needed.
Even if ZOS were to change their stance and include the PvP part of the justice system,you wouldn't be denied taking part in the justice system. What you would be denied is 1) outright murdering NPCs, 2) blatant thievery and 3) obvious breaking and entering. You'd just have to be more careful with how you go about criminal activity to avoid getting caught and face the consequences.
But, let's face it...you just want to avoid the consequences.
And yes, I'm a pure PvE player who doesn't want to PvP at all.
No-one wants to avoid the consequences, but some of us want PvE consequences for PvE crimes in PvE areas. Telling those who don't want to participate in PvP that they can avoid doing so by excluding themselves from some of the PvE content is not a credible solution to the problem that always occurs when the two playstyles come into conflict with each other.2 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past]and your most constructive response is to flatout call all the people whose opinion differs from yours "always very vocal and aggressively forceful, trying very hard to push their selfish agenda" basically?.
That was actually the argument of the person I quoted. Pay attention 1 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastanitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm not sure you can say "speaking as a PVE player" with a straight face
Regardless, if ZOS would just make PVE only versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I think PVE players would enjoy having access to those areas greatly. Could even add in more mobs and trees into Cyrodiil again so it looks like it should, before all the nerfs to the environment due to PVP lag.
If I understand you well, a PVE'er's opinion isn't valid "because reasons", a PVP'er's opinion isn't valid "because reasons", but you feel entitled to say "we PVE'ers" with full legitimacy ?
Lol.
I'm not sure you read/understood my post or maybe you're trying to misrepresent my words, as you carefully and possibly deliberately snipped out the bits that make what I said make sense.
And as to your "LOL" rebuttal...I'm not sure I can work with that, really seems not very well argued 3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
The problem is that the definition of "opt-in" in this case always revolves around PvEers limiting what they do if they don't want to PvP. No-one has the wit to suggest that non-PvPers should be able to opt out of the Enforcer system completely, they just say you shouldn't kill NPCs, break in or steal beyond a certain bounty level or you will be automatically opted in.
I agree with your second point. Far too much attention is paid by ZOS to the very vocal PvP minority when it comes to skill balancing and other core changes to the game.1 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
No-one wants to avoid the consequences, but some of us want PvE consequences for PvE crimes in PvE areas. Telling those who don't want to participate in PvP that they can avoid doing so by excluding themselves from some of the PvE content is not a credible solution to the problem that always occurs when the two playstyles come into conflict with each other.
The problem is that the definition of "opt-in" in this case always revolves around PvEers limiting what they do if they don't want to PvP. No-one has the wit to suggest that non-PvPers should be able to opt out of the Enforcer system completely, they just say you shouldn't kill NPCs, break in or steal beyond a certain bounty level or you will be automatically opted in.
I agree with your second point. Far too much attention is paid by ZOS to the very vocal PvP minority when it comes to skill balancing and other core changes to the game.
ive said it before ill say it again
the forums are a very very bad example of the player base, filled with people who, most of the time, felt slighted by other players in pvp and came to argue their 'case' if it can be called that2 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastanitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm not sure you can say "speaking as a PVE player" with a straight face
Regardless, if ZOS would just make PVE only versions of IC and Cyrodiil, I think PVE players would enjoy having access to those areas greatly. Could even add in more mobs and trees into Cyrodiil again so it looks like it should, before all the nerfs to the environment due to PVP lag.
If I understand you well, a PVE'er's opinion isn't valid "because reasons", a PVP'er's opinion isn't valid "because reasons", but you feel entitled to say "we PVE'ers" with full legitimacy ?
Lol.
I'm not sure you read/understood my post or maybe you're trying to misrepresent my words, as you carefully and possibly deliberately snipped out the bits that make what I said make sense.
And as to your "LOL" rebuttal...I'm not sure I can work with that, really seems not very well argued
A PVP'er gave his opinion, you told him/her he can't speak for PvEers
A PvE'er gave his opinion, you told him/her he can't speak for PvEers either.
But you say "we PvEers" instead of "I, babylon" when you give your own opinion.
So yes : LoL ;-)2