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Justice System PvP - Please explain exactly WHY you are for / against this content!
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K4RMA✭✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastIts the reason i stayed aroundnerf mdk0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I dont think it takes a genius to figure out that the main reason for the removal of the player "justice" form of the justice system was the actions of players in IC. Anyone who argues it sold anywhere the number as orsinium or TG are simply being delusional.
Oh and if you go to deshaan both the regular area and vet areas you will find it is quite populated.
I'm not asking you what you *think*. I'm not asking nor wondering why the PvP justice system has been cancelled - ZOS explained why already.
I'm asking you very precisely to back up your statement with numbers, facts and evidence when you say that "IC DLC was an utter failure".
Note that sentences like "it doesn't take a genius to figure out..." isn't numbers nor facts nor evidence, just empty rhetoric.
I already have. None are so blind as he who refuses to see.3 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Frenkthevile wrote: »I want PvP in all zones, because it works GREAT in Black Desert and gives more immersion and more importance to the guild
I havent heard many good things about BDO. Also the world pvp doesnt just mean BDO is some massive PK fest. There are very very severe penalties for killing people who dont wish to fight.1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I already have. None are so blind as he who refuses to see.
No, you haven't.
Your opinions aren't facts.
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I already have. None are so blind as he who refuses to see.
No, you haven't.
Your opinions aren't facts.
They arent my opinions. Its everyone's opinion. Yet you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.2 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
You can kind of do that now. I went there saw one other person in like 3 hours of questing.1 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the past[snip]
... elect to miss out on PvE content in PvE areas...
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Some people have serious troubles understanding "opt-in".
Also, could someone please explain to me: why is it that ZOS always likes to cater to very vocal minorities?Edited by Dubhliam on April 19, 2016 12:33PM2 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastpvp in general should STAY AWAY FROM PVE2 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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In this case the people who want to kill other players are in the minority.3 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
In this case the people who want to kill other players are in the minority.
Open world PVP players are a very small minority (and they're always very vocal and aggressively forceful in forums, trying very hard to push their agenda, an agenda that would basically make large numbers of players quit the game and leave the servers a ghost town, same as any open world PVP has done to any game ever made). I'm sure ZOS has done their research on this as well.2 -
Marktoneth3✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastI'd love to try this new feature.0 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
In this case the people who want to kill other players are in the minority.
Open world PVP players are a very small minority (and they're always very vocal and aggressively forceful in forums, trying very hard to push their agenda, an agenda that would basically make large numbers of players quit the game and leave the servers a ghost town, same as any open world PVP has done to any game ever made). I'm sure ZOS has done their research on this as well.
please listen to this man, ive played one or two with simular systems, the moment i got to the point these things opened up to my character, i left, that very moment, all the while through the low levels i barely saw one single player
stop trying to push the agenda of the PVPFIRST crowd and enjoy the fact you have an ENTIRE PROVINCE to beat each others heads in0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DDO had a cool thing called bar brawls. You could go into the basement of a tavern and it was everyone vs everyone free for all. I havent played DDO in years but I assume they still have it.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on April 19, 2016 12:49PM2 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastbloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
In this case the people who want to kill other players are in the minority.
Open world PVP players are a very small minority (and they're always very vocal and aggressively forceful in forums, trying very hard to push their agenda, an agenda that would basically make large numbers of players quit the game and leave the servers a ghost town, same as any open world PVP has done to any game ever made). I'm sure ZOS has done their research on this as well.
please listen to this man, ive played one or two with simular systems, the moment i got to the point these things opened up to my character, i left, that very moment, all the while through the low levels i barely saw one single player
stop trying to push the agenda of the PVPFIRST crowd and enjoy the fact you have an ENTIRE PROVINCE to beat each others heads in
*woman btw, but yes I'm quite sure ZOS is aware of the immense damage open world PVP would cause to the game's success.1 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Frenkthevile wrote: »I want PvP in all zones, because it works GREAT in Black Desert and gives more immersion and more importance to the guild
I havent heard many good things about BDO. Also the world pvp doesnt just mean BDO is some massive PK fest. There are very very severe penalties for killing people who dont wish to fight.
It doesn't take a genius to see BDO is doing well.
Numbers of copies sold and stuff.0 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
In this case the people who want to kill other players are in the minority.
The poll results in this very thread you are arguing prove you wrong.
You see? I have numbers behind my "opinions".3 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Frenkthevile wrote: »I want PvP in all zones, because it works GREAT in Black Desert and gives more immersion and more importance to the guild
I havent heard many good things about BDO. Also the world pvp doesnt just mean BDO is some massive PK fest. There are very very severe penalties for killing people who dont wish to fight.
It doesn't take a genius to see BDO is doing well.
Numbers of copies sold and stuff.
Age of Conan sold quite well at first too heh. Altho that company does know how to make a cash shop. BDO made $2 mil in one week off cash shop purchases alone. It was a record at the time back in Feb.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on April 19, 2016 12:56PM1 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
*woman btw, but yes I'm quite sure ZOS is aware of the immense damage open world PVP would cause to the game's success.
apologies, i knew the moment i pressed post that was a possiblity
and yeah, every try Archeage? quit that nearly the very fracking moment i hit the mandatory pvp zones, became impossible to level up without some ganking d%@kwaffle that wanted to be a outlaw killed me
so yeah, despite the level of fanboy i am in regards to TES, id drop this like quicker than cold turkey, and ive been subbed since launch
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bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
*woman btw, but yes I'm quite sure ZOS is aware of the immense damage open world PVP would cause to the game's success.
apologies, i knew the moment i pressed post that was a possiblity
and yeah, ever try Archeage? quit that nearly the very fracking moment i hit the mandatory pvp zones, became impossible to level up without some ganking d%$kwaffle that wanted to be a outlaw killed me
so yeah, despite the level of fanboy i am in regards to TES, id drop this like quicker than cold turkey, and ive been subbed since launch
Edited by bloodenragedb14_ESO on April 19, 2016 12:59PM0 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastIt's pretty sad that something that we have been promised and has been planned years ago was just dismissed with 3 or so sentences reasoning.Susano'o
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
In this case the people who want to kill other players are in the minority.
The poll results in this very thread you are arguing prove you wrong.
You see? I have numbers behind my "opinions".
Well you actually don't, as explained the open world PVP types always come to forums in large numbers trying to push their agenda...and the rest of the votes will be from some people (innocents new to games of this sort) who at this point have no idea of how badly the system would be in practice. I'm sure ZOS has the real numbers behind their decision to not introduce open world PVP to the game.
It would basically be a wrecking ball move.2 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's pretty sad that something that we have been promised and has been planned years ago was just dismissed with 3 or so sentences reasoning.
This is why they never tell us what they are doing until its set in stone. You now claim they promised us this? When was that? They told us what they planned but plans are never set in stone. When people like you belittle them and claim they made promises etc they did not make it keeps them from sharing information with us.
Plans changed. It happens in business.4 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past
The real truth of the matter is this
forums are a very very poor representation of the player base of any, ANY, mmo. Most players dont even know or care it exists.
When you are killed in pve, what do you do? usually you work to find the solution to the problem, and attempt to overcome it.
most people who get killed in pvp? they end up here, calling for 'nerf this nerf that, that sorc/dk/nb/temp hit me with a wuffle ball bat and killed me' but this is a whole nother arguement
Long story short, open world pvp KILLS mmorpg games, ZOS seems to know this, and i stood up and clapped the day i read those few scant sentences that said justice pvp was abandonedEdited by bloodenragedb14_ESO on April 19, 2016 1:16PM1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭.Sevalaricgirl wrote: »ZOS has done the right thing. PvP does not belong in PvE areas. PvP in the justice system means that those who don't want to PvP won't be able to participate in the justice system. We're talking about ZOS. There is no way they can separate a PvP justice system and a PvE justice system.
The current justice system doesn't really punish you for breaking the law. That's why the PvP part of it is needed.
Bolded the above sentence because I think that this really speaks to the motives of ZOS. This is what Imperial City got wrong. A PVP Justice System just repeats lessons that should have been learned with Imperial City.
To avoid the punishment that you want to add, people would simply "opt-out" of the PVP portion of the Justice System. This is a no-brainer. If they offered that option for Imperial City, the "no-PVP" PVE players would be swarming over Imperial City like locusts, untouchable, collecting thousands of Tel Var stones, and other treasures, with hardly a care in the world.
This would be an entirely different situation if, on Day 1, ESO had open world PVP that one could not opt out of. ESO is not that game. It never will be, at least for most reasonable definitions of "never". Mixing PVP and PVE game play is dangerous ground in this game.
XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
X/Twitter: ElsonsoJannus1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have never played a game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »They arent my opinions. Its everyone's opinion. Yet you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
1. No, it's yours. I don't share it, so it's not "everyone's". And many players I know love IC.
2. IC being a dead zone is a myth. At least on EU it's quite populated. Just like overland Cyrodiil.
3. They decided that ?? Show me where. As far as I know, they just decided to cancel PvP justice system. Nothing and noone has ever said there won't ever be any PvPvE anymore.
You don't like how many posters here bash the game and bash ZOS ? Neither do I. But I don't like how you bash PvP or IC either.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on April 19, 2016 2:01PM2 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
Sure, the handful of people too timid to play with other players may go once or twice to clear out quests,
but with the Tel Var stones and other IC-specific rewards taken out and reduced exp gains, most would opt to stick around other zones that level them faster or provide better rewards instead."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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babylon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
It would be a great quest zone if made into a PVE version (so there would be two versions, one PVP and one PVE and you choose when entering zone). Loads of people have expressed wanting there to be a PVE version of IC because it's an interesting place (scenery totally wasted on PVPers who could just as easily be thrown into a featureless pit and be happy). Bet you anything it would quickly become populated, far more than the PVP version.
And sell more too.2 -
bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am against Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the past,jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
It would be a great quest zone if made into a PVE version (so there would be two versions, one PVP and one PVE and you choose when entering zone). Loads of people have expressed wanting there to be a PVE version of IC because it's an interesting place (scenery totally wasted on PVPers who could just as easily be thrown into a featureless pit and be happy). Bet you anything it would quickly become populated, far more than the PVP version.
And sell more too.
i say this often whenever its relevant, but i just want one, ONE, campaign of cyrodiil that is FULLY pve, no pvp whatsoever
i would love to explore, to be able to pick up those random on the side of the road quests, to sight see, to roleplay, all without the fear of a ganker lieing in wait to kill someone just out to enjoy the scenery
id pay for it, i would literally PAY FULL DLC price for just one pve only campaign of cyrodiil1 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I am in favor of Justice System PvP and I have played at least one game with Justice System PvP content in the pastjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »...you want to try and convince everyone that IC was this massive success. Why did they decide to not mix PVP and PVE anymore if it was such a resounding success? Answer me that one.
They just need to make Imperial City into a PVE version of IC, and then it would be a success for sure. I hope they do that, it sounds like it would be a fun area without all the bottomfeeder players trying to wreck your game experience for you.
@ZOS - please make us a PVE version of Imperial City
Cannot see a PvE version of Imperial City doing well.
It would be a great quest zone if made into a PVE version (so there would be two versions, one PVP and one PVE and you choose when entering zone). Loads of people have expressed wanting there to be a PVE version of IC because it's an interesting place (scenery totally wasted on PVPers who could just as easily be thrown into a featureless pit and be happy). Bet you anything it would quickly become populated, far more than the PVP version.
And sell more too.
Have only seen a handful of people who have expressed that sentiment and who have not already gone to IC.
The most frequent complaint I have seen is people complaining they get killed on the grind,
but without the risk, the reward would be taken out, and people would not care to grind there anymore,
instead opting for Wrothgar which has a reward system balanced around its PvE content.
Personally enjoy the scenery as a PvP player, so not sure where you get the idea of throwing PvPers into a featureless pit,
unless you simply want us to be in a featureless pit.
I enjoy Elder Scrolls lore, it has arguably been my favourite game series since Daggerfall.
I did not come here from decades of fandom to be tossed into a featureless pit because a handful of players feel that PvPers are a waste of content."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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