Thieves throves are really rare now, but...

Teridaxus · April 2016

yet you have peeople who only loot 2/3 of it leaving either lockpicks or invisible drinks behind only.

Runs · April 2016

This isn't just a throve issue, happens with ore, plants, wood, locked chests, and the potency runes when people see Ta also.

It would be so nice if they added a mechanic to all nodes, where if any part of it has been looted(or in case of Ta just even looked at) the node will disappear after 30-45 seconds allowing it to respawn later.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

Runs wrote: »

This isn't just a throve issue, happens with ore, plants, wood, locked chests, and the aspect runes when people see Ta also.

It would be so nice if they added a mechanic to all nodes, where if any part of it has been looted(or in case of Ta just even looked at) the node will disappear after 30-45 seconds allowing it to respawn later.

Fixed and also I have suggested the latter already. Hopefully it happens someday... I don't like taking the bait from nodes anymore than the next guy but I am at least courteous enough to take it and then just destroy it so the node can respawn. The fools gimp themselves anyway not taking the bait if they are farming nodes in that zone.

Danksta · April 2016

Runs wrote: »

This isn't just a throve issue, happens with ore, plants, wood, locked chests, and the potency runes when people see Ta also.

It would be so nice if they added a mechanic to all nodes, where if any part of it has been looted(or in case of Ta just even looked at) the node will disappear after 30-45 seconds allowing it to respawn later.

I agree. Though that's how I got my last Orsinium treasure map, it's usually decon trash.

Arthmoor · April 2016

I run into plenty of troves, and take all the stuff out when I find them. Makes no sense to leave it because you'll just bork the next spawn point anyway. A lot of them are in places you can make a route out of and hit up to 7 in a run if you time it right.

Don't get why people would leave behind runes either. Seems dumb.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

Arthmoor wrote: »

I run into plenty of troves, and take all the stuff out when I find them. Makes no sense to leave it because you'll just bork the next spawn point anyway. A lot of them are in places you can make a route out of and hit up to 7 in a run if you time it right.

Don't get why people would leave behind runes either. Seems dumb.

Ta Runes are junk and too common, making it easy for them to pile up. You get plenty of them extracting looted glyphs.

phaneub17_ESO · April 2016

Arthmoor wrote: »

Don't get why people would leave behind runes either. Seems dumb.

Bags get full? Not always the case, but sometimes when something inside an already opened chest looks semi-reasonable to take, my assumption is they are like me and trying to fill their bags to the brink before heading off to the merchant or bank to load it off.

Pomaikai · April 2016

It's not a Trove problem, it's a selfish arse problem.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

Pomaikai wrote: »

It's not a Trove problem, it's a selfish arse problem.

Hence the reason we want nodes to respawn after a bit if they have been harvested already, even if nothing at all is taken from it.

#FightTheGrief

Silver_Strider · April 2016

Exactly why I have auto-loot on, take it all at once without being an arse about it.
I've gotten several nodes in Wrothgar with only Cassiterite Sand or worms before and it's really annoying when trying to gather materials.
If Hew's Bane had more resource nodes, I'd probably farm there more because the zone is relatively empty on PS4 so not much competition for nodes.

As for Thieves Troves, I've only ever gotten 1 that was practically empty with only the rouge drought being left, which I had no problem taking because my Stamblade actually uses it.

myrrrorb14_ESO · April 2016

They do despawn. But they take about 5-6 minutes.

zyk · April 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Arthmoor wrote: »

I run into plenty of troves, and take all the stuff out when I find them. Makes no sense to leave it because you'll just bork the next spawn point anyway. A lot of them are in places you can make a route out of and hit up to 7 in a run if you time it right.

Don't get why people would leave behind runes either. Seems dumb.

Ta Runes are junk and too common, making it easy for them to pile up. You get plenty of them extracting looted glyphs.

So loot them and destroy them. Leaving Ta on nodes makes Ta even more common.

This is a variation of the tragedy of the commons scenario. Selfish players acting only in their self-interest make things worse for everyone; including themselves.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

zyk wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Arthmoor wrote: »

I run into plenty of troves, and take all the stuff out when I find them. Makes no sense to leave it because you'll just bork the next spawn point anyway. A lot of them are in places you can make a route out of and hit up to 7 in a run if you time it right.

Don't get why people would leave behind runes either. Seems dumb.

Ta Runes are junk and too common, making it easy for them to pile up. You get plenty of them extracting looted glyphs.

So loot them and destroy them. Leaving Ta on nodes makes Ta even more common.

This is a variation of the tragedy of the commons scenario. Selfish players acting only in their self-interest make things worse for everyone; including themselves.

It's different with Ta Runes. Those that leave them may not need them but others might.

Nestor · April 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I've gotten several nodes in Wrothgar with only Cassiterite Sand or worms before and it's really annoying when trying to gather materials.

What's really dumb is both of those sell. Worms are 900 Gold a stack, and the Casserite is selling for about 300 to 500 each last time I checked, for refined anyway.

BomblePants · April 2016

Have you considered that people just take what they want not realising this means the trove doesn't respawn? I mean - why would you know that?

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

BomblePants wrote: »

Have you considered that people just take what they want not realising this means the trove doesn't respawn? I mean - why would you know that?

Because you actually bother to learn?

Lysette · April 2016

Arthmoor wrote: »

I run into plenty of troves, and take all the stuff out when I find them. Makes no sense to leave it because you'll just bork the next spawn point anyway. A lot of them are in places you can make a route out of and hit up to 7 in a run if you time it right.

Don't get why people would leave behind runes either. Seems dumb.

Well, Ta runes are rarely sold in guild stores, at least I did not see a lot of those. Guess there might be rules in place from guild leader's side, which make them just list the higher value runes - and if they cannot sell them and not need those, well, they leave it there.

BomblePants · April 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

BomblePants wrote: »

Have you considered that people just take what they want not realising this means the trove doesn't respawn? I mean - why would you know that?

Because you actually bother to learn?

And I have, but only through my guild and the forum - but I am saying others may not realise.... I'm sure not everyone is acting selfishly....

Inarre · April 2016

I have found quite a few troves, both in very busy areas (craglorn) and remote (far corners of wrothgar, cadwells silver)

I think. The spawn rate is good. Unfortunately i have to agree players manners are..... Not.

Elsonso · April 2016

There is a 10 minute timer on the Thieves Troves if they are not completely cleaned out. After that, they will despawn, taking whatever was left behind with them.

zyk · April 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

It's different with Ta Runes. Those that leave them may not need them but others might.

I disagree. Ta are almost worthless. They sell for what? 1-2g each? If you can find someone willing to pay for them. By leaving the Ta there, as probably a lot of people do, other more valuable runes will not spawn.

This is why everyone thinks the drop rate of Kuta was nerfed. It wasn't. What actually happened was a lot of players stopped looting Ta.

kargen27 · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Arthmoor wrote: »

I run into plenty of troves, and take all the stuff out when I find them. Makes no sense to leave it because you'll just bork the next spawn point anyway. A lot of them are in places you can make a route out of and hit up to 7 in a run if you time it right.

Don't get why people would leave behind runes either. Seems dumb.

Well, Ta runes are rarely sold in guild stores, at least I did not see a lot of those. Guess there might be rules in place from guild leader's side, which make them just list the higher value runes - and if they cannot sell them and not need those, well, they leave it there.

Ta is one of those things if you ask for some in zone chat first thing that will happen is people will laugh thinking you are joking. Once they find out you really want some I am sure someone will unload some on you. I've never seen anyone ask, but if they ever do I'll send 100 their way real quick before they change their mind.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

zyk wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

It's different with Ta Runes. Those that leave them may not need them but others might.

I disagree. Ta are almost worthless. They sell for what? 1-2g each? If you can find someone willing to pay for them. By leaving the Ta there, as probably a lot of people do, other more valuable runes will not spawn.

This is why everyone thinks the drop rate of Kuta was nerfed. It wasn't. What actually happened was a lot of players stopped looting Ta.

Ta's worth is in it's expendability for Writs. Those with 100s of Ta Runes like myself would rather obtain no more but not everyone is loaded with them.

Sordidfairytale · April 2016

The worst is when you are in a scaled node zone and someone of a lower crafting skill has come and taken the other material out and left the crafting material. More than once I've opened Ancient Silk and picked some Jute instead.

Runs · April 2016

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

They do despawn. But they take about 5-6 minutes.

Ok, to be fair I just tested this on video. The video has about 15 minutes left on the youtube upload.

They do despawn.

It takes exactly 10 minutes.

Which is absolutely to *** long.

PlagueMonk · April 2016

BomblePants wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

BomblePants wrote: »

Have you considered that people just take what they want not realising this means the trove doesn't respawn? I mean - why would you know that?

Because you actually bother to learn?

And I have, but only through my guild and the forum - but I am saying others may not realise.... I'm sure not everyone is acting selfishly....

Maybe not every single person but a hefty chunk of them do know. If you trove collect I bet you have farmed a plant or two only to find crawlers or worms. They know and don't care.

The thing is though what they do NOT get is they are ***** themselves in the end since it takes 10 mins for that trove to despawn, delaying the next trove from spawning elsewhere. So if you are hunting troves you are basically shooting yourself in the foot.

zyk · April 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

It's different with Ta Runes. Those that leave them may not need them but others might.

I disagree. Ta are almost worthless. They sell for what? 1-2g each? If you can find someone willing to pay for them. By leaving the Ta there, as probably a lot of people do, other more valuable runes will not spawn.

This is why everyone thinks the drop rate of Kuta was nerfed. It wasn't. What actually happened was a lot of players stopped looting Ta.

Ta's worth is in it's expendability for Writs. Those with 100s of Ta Runes like myself would rather obtain no more but not everyone is loaded with them.

I'm not saying they have no use. However, their gold value via traders is reflective of demand: almost none. By leaving a Ta on a node, you are doing more harm than good.

In contrast, worms/crawlers are worth far more than Ta. So leaving a Ta on a node is even more annoying and impactful.

I would bet a large majority of ESO players have more Tas than they need/want. If all of those players are leaving Tas on nodes, that is going to significantly reduce the rate at which new Kutas appear in the world. This behavior accounts for the scarcity and therefore high price of Kuta.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

zyk wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

It's different with Ta Runes. Those that leave them may not need them but others might.

I disagree. Ta are almost worthless. They sell for what? 1-2g each? If you can find someone willing to pay for them. By leaving the Ta there, as probably a lot of people do, other more valuable runes will not spawn.

This is why everyone thinks the drop rate of Kuta was nerfed. It wasn't. What actually happened was a lot of players stopped looting Ta.

Ta's worth is in it's expendability for Writs. Those with 100s of Ta Runes like myself would rather obtain no more but not everyone is loaded with them.

I'm not saying they have no use. However, their gold value via traders is reflective of demand: almost none. By leaving a Ta on a node, you are doing more harm than good.

In contrast, worms/crawlers are worth far more than Ta. So leaving a Ta on a node is even more annoying and impactful.

I would bet a large majority of ESO players have more Tas than they need/want. If all of those players are leaving Tas on nodes, that is going to significantly reduce the rate at which new Kutas appear in the world. This behavior accounts for the scarcity and therefore high price of Kuta.

Then the market should be grateful lol

Personally I care as much about Crawlers and Worms as I do Tas, but I DO care about raw materials...

zyk · April 2016

/facepalm

Zyle · April 2016

If there is something I don't want in a node/trove I just take it and delete the item, no need to screw over other players.

Runs · April 2016

Ok, here it is a really boring just over 10min video waiting for it to despawn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sLBPdMumMY

0:10 when Trove is closed, 10:10 is when Trove vanishes.