I would like racials to be better for argonians. Not because I play one, but because it's really hard to get the "kill 100 argonians" in PVP.

DeclaredJester wrote: »

I would like racials to be better for argonians. Not because I play one, but because it's really hard to get the "kill 100 argonians" in PVP.

no That makes sense.

TG patch FINALLY made them better at something.

Ok, it's super niche, but they are the best at health stacking builds with active healing, which means...

Health stacking argonian tank DK. Yes, that's super niche. No, blazing templar is better with Imperials, since you don't benefit from the extra healing that much (it's 100% shields for those).

As for the rest, picking Argonian for a healer or DD is almost as bad as picking an Altmer for a stamina build.

Argonian master race Swim speed OP!

Overall, yeah they're pretty reasonable.

I've always liked the swimspeed, and I'll fight anyone who dares say it's useless.
The improved health regen makes sense, but I'm not sure about the overall health increase. If you look at it from a lore or traditional perspective at least. If anything give them a natural armor bonus multiplier instead. I feel like their poison and/or disease resistance should be higher, perhaps at the cost of something else to avoid making them unbalanced. Ideally they ought to be 100% immune to poison, but that wouldn't be entirely fair.

You shouldn't build an argonaut the same way as a high elf anyway. They loose efficiency because of the burst meta, they are a sustain race and should be used to wear down an opponent. Unless you can ambush the crap out of them.

If they stayed the way they are right now, I'd certainly be miffed but I'd manage. It would be nice to get some kind of clear, non situational benefit from being an Argonian
and no max health doesn't count, who -really- cares about their max hp in this game?

No, not really.

The Swim speed/potion buff passive is very niche honestly. I understand the swim speed 1 as lore friendly but the potion buff is terribly limited and keeps getting more and more restrictive as the game progress.
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When the game was 1st out, Argonians had great synergy with NBs because the passive would increase the overall effectiveness of potions, which would stack with the NBs increase potion effectiveness as well, upwards to an increase of 45% IIRC. This was incredibly powerful because, before, potions did not offer static increases to stats but had their own increase values to them so you could have major brutality/sorcery and drink a potion to get even more weapon/spell damage. At some point, potions, the NB passive and Argonian passives were changed. Potions were given static effects, NB was changed to ultimate gain and Argonians were given a % of max resources in addition to the potion, effectively ending any potential that set up once had.

Then we have the increase to potion cooldown duration from 30 seconds originally to 45 seconds now.

Next up, we had the CP point that increased the healing effectiveness of potions, which if fully invested could go upwards to 16%, on top of the Argonian's 8% at the time. Now, the CP was outright removed and Argonian get 12% resource returned instead of 8%.

ZOS keeps nerfing the only passive Argonians have for resource management to a point that it's not even worth it as half the time it's on cooldown to begin with because you use potions at the start of the fight to gain major brutality/sorcery meaning we don't even gain those extra resources because we're already full and most fights typically don't last all that long to begin with. Just change the potion buff to something that is always available such as magic or stamina regen because it's just a really sad passive with a long cooldown and not enough of a return to justify it.

I love my Argonian DK Tank.

The passives are fine. I don't need any help with my stats to be "viable", but I do enjoy being easy to heal and (hopefully) taking some pressure off the healer.

I don't need to be "optimal", because I'm a tank. I get hit, I heal, I move on.

I really don't understand people that say that Argonians are "not viable" or "not optimal". These people are clearly playing the game for a different reason than I am, so I tend to ignore them. They will never understand the reasons for picking a race that isn't the flavor of the weak.

Personally, I like them the way they are. Even if you gave them the best racial passives in the game, Argonians will always be a niche race, because it's hard to make them "pretty", like all the pale-skinned cookie-cutter elves with long hair and big chests.

And I like that. I want to be different.

The only two things the Argonian passives are good for are swimming and tanking. If you want to do anything else in this game you are at a disadvantage compared to other races. That becomes very obvious if you actually play any other races.

Im not a min/maxer. I play for Aesthetic reasons and have had an argonian in every ES game ive played besides Arena. which doesnt have much of a character creation, if I recall.

My favorite argonian passive is his ability to hold 60 items.

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Quick to mend is okay would be better as healing done though. the rest is rubbish where is disease damage in this game and what poison isn't telegraphed by a stupid circle? EP already has one tank race, the nord so we don't need 2 especially in the meta. to balance it we need better healing passives because a high elf or Breton can use our "signature weapon" so much better than any Argonian.

I think disease is the healing debuff effects. WW claws do disease damage.