KoshkaMurka wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

TANKS can be TANKS and get their weapons! HEALERS can be HEALERS and get their weapons, you can PLAY AS YOU WANT and get your weapons! Cause thats what SOLOING is all about! That (was? ) the core slogan of this MMORPG dont try to fight the POWA!!! The RESISTANCE IS REAL

DONT BOW DOWN TO THE DPS OVERLORDS!

Maelstrom resto is actually underwhelming compared to destro/dw/2h/bow. It only adds crit and the enchant is not super useful (it has 4 seconds cooldown). Masters resto would be so much better than Maelstrom resto if it was scaled to vr16.
And I wont even say anything about the shield...
And THE best healing gear (spell power cure+Kena shoulder or mask, Twilight remedy, worrm cult) can be farmed in healing role just fine.

And even dps weapons are only good for people who are close to the upper limits of dps on their character. Give it to a random that cannot get past first stage of vMA and struggling in nMA and NOTHING will change for him. Literally. If you cant beat vMA and dont believe me, go on pts and take all the golden vMA weapons and try to beat it.
But the rewards will lose their reward value if you just give them away, and in any game there should be goals and rewards.
Though I think that loot system in vMA must be reworked.

I think you took my appeal to pathos abit too seriously- it was my attempt at a sense of humor that clearly went over the moon.

It was more along the peripheral styles of game play people typically don't use to complete the the arena. In order to take into context an example(e.g. tanking) that the arena is not made viable for all builds where said player would have the easiest time completing the trial as opposed to what they can actually complete it with. Pardon the poor examples but the whole tank and healer thing was just a jab on the play as you want slogan which does not hold true in the instance.

Yep nothing will change, so whats wrong with letting them being dropped in nMA?

Rewards will lose reward value?

I thought you told me that said reward "Give it to a random that cannot get past first stage of vMA and struggling in nMA and NOTHING will change for him. Literally. If you cant beat vMA and dont believe me, go on pts and take all the golden vMA weapons and try to beat it." Reward value of weapons stay the same in the right hands according to what you just said. Though peoples "personal" reward value might be what you're trying to convey and by those personal reward value is what I had originally said about the whole pride and egos being hurt comment.

Though I could not help myself on the part where you are assuming that suddenly I am having problems with the arena. I am going to assume you met it objectivity.

DerKirito wrote: »

I'm so gonna get hate for this but...

Guys you're asking for these things to drop on a difficoulty thats not even worth being called difficoult. You are asking to make this game so easy that it will be boring EVEN FASTER...

Now you scream for it... but if your request gets heard... you will regret it.

B...But... i live with out regrets!

I think the entire "this should be this way" is just really social programming where you're told that you "should feel good after suffering alot and completing it" which.... is kinda masochist(yes with a high sexual appeal xD)

PS
Makes it tough to apologize sometimes... cause like im not really sorry ... ever.... kinda effed up u.u

PSS
On the "this should be this way": everyone in korea thinks that boobs should be always bouncing in their games .... and grinding...alot... allloooot but they took away boob armor here.... due to ... bouncing-boob-lag?

*edit* removed quotes due to how another post was edited it messed things up


I'm pretty sure the reason ppl do vMSA is for the drops and not the content so doing normal for a low chance of a green version that could be improved will make a difference cause we are talking about normal not vMSA. Believe it or not, there are ppl who struggle to progress in normal so gear matters and these weapons do as well.

Maybe for u it won't but someone who can't complete normal MSA prob lacks having 100 cp and lacks 9 trait research as well as mats for crafting and enchants or lacks gold to buy this stuff.

Lots of situations but the drop will make a difference for some ppl

your reply...
Gear doesn't matter in normal MSA. Maybe it sounds hard, but if someone cannot beat nMSA he has to change/improve his playstyle/reactions/etc first...

edit: The best equip should be rewarded for doing the best content. None of this equip is actually needed for completing any content in TESO. So it's just optional. So where's the problem with giving out optional things to those who beat the hardest content? [\quote]


....Newblacksmurf reply below
.....
Green quality and low drop rate isn't giving away good stuff but realize that the point you're making is the point. Most can complete normal but most cannot complete veteran this the idea.

Now the weapons are better and it's not to help with normal it's to progress in gear quality due to not being able to obtain from veteran. Best gear held for best content....there is a huge different in green quality from yellow so by default even if it were the same item, it's not the best

also everyone can't do normal with no gear. Kills me when ppl can only think of themselves and want to keep the walls to prevent others from having any chance what so ever to enjoy some of the similar trinket or rewards.
Just read the quote below....

AddictionX wrote: »

Hmm so you dont call for a vMA nerf and they still disagree with you .... Looks like they're afraid that people might have equal gear? They insist it wont make a big difference yet... they themselves spent hours in there to get that "difference"

These people insist that weapons wont help you be "better" yet defend that you should work for the said best weapon in the game. So why not give them the weapon it wont help them right? And wont affect you in the first place since you're "good" and the rest is "bad".

So whats wrong with giving everyone the weapons? All I see as a counter argument is pride, and any argument based on that is null and void. I would ask what are they so afraid of?

The OP doesnt care about leaderboards, so its not affecting your hardcore circle of players or anything like that. He just want the weapons to drop at nMA, so i say why not.

These people argue that would stop people from trying out vMA, well if it does then it proves it was not fun to begin with, and poorly designed with lots of lag...you guys keep you're "hardcore" content but everyone would have access to the weapons? A win win. This solo trial is really just used as an ego booster. I see here many egos being hurt if everyone got a weapon ....

Lmao nMA is a cake walk. Stop asking to be rewarded for nothing. Casuals.

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Lmao nMA is a cake walk. Stop asking to be rewarded for nothing. Casuals.

This is what I was talking about people... We have people thinking they're superior and having others be sub-players to them(lets face it why the unnecessary emphasis on the word casuals like if it was a disease). This is the type of mentality you're allowing and permitting into your game that we all payed equally to have a part of it. Though I am not categorizing all into this.

The OP is not asking for a nerf to said content(keep the laggy/buggy arena as is) yet people find a way to disagree based on their egos and pride or whatever emotional scaring you took from that place.

You can not have a rational debate based on emotional responses and triggers because the reasons presented so far are "it should be this way because it should"(reason number 1)or "We can not let the casual player base close the gap in gear! I must argue that it wont help them!" (reason number 2)

One of them is appealing to common social programming similar to societies double standard on men and women. While the other sagaciously attempts to divert the attention away from the "it should because it should" using facts to present a way for reason number 1.

Some try to present a logically incoherent argument. This often arises in situations where people have an assumption that is very ingrained, and therefore taken in their minds as a given.

Docmandu wrote: »

BoP the worst addition to MMOs next to the creation of WoW.


Also people that are against the OP's idea because you should only get the weapons if you complete the hard content, probably would have no issues if you bought the weapons from them if it wasn't BoP.

I'd have no problem with selling winterborn/succesion and so on...but master weapons were bound in vDSA/vMSA and it's good. It's a reward for those who can ctually beat this content consistently. As i said erlier...just create a vendor selling all gear and you have the same result. noone needs to do any content at all and everyone has the same equip.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Lmao nMA is a cake walk. Stop asking to be rewarded for nothing. Casuals.

This is what I was talking about people... We have people thinking they're superior and having others be sub-players to them(lets face it why the unnecessary emphasis on the word casuals like if it was a disease). This is the type of mentality you're allowing and permitting into your game that we all payed equally to have a part of it.

The OP is not asking for a nerf to said content(keep the laggy/buggy arena as is) yet people find a way to disagree based on their egos and pride or whatever emotional scaring you took from that place.

You can not have a rational debate based on emotional responses and triggers because the reasons presented so far are "it should be this way because it should" or "We can not let the casual player base close the gap in gear! I must argue that it wont help them!"

Stop labeling others, mr. Mind Reader.
Most of "hardcore" players dont ahve anything against casuals, its casuals who want to get everything without effort and break the game for anyone else. And its not even about getting gear, I know they will still get stuck on planar inhibitor even with golden staves, I saw plenty of clueless people with golden gear. And that fearsome"gap" youre talking about is around 2-5% dps if you have a really good rotation and already pull 25-30+k. Most of the good gear is craftable, and there's now a merchant for helmets and shoulders (yeah yeah, not the best trait, you'd lose as much as 0.8% crit by wearing it Teh horror for a casual that pulls 10k dps at best).
The thing is "gimme gimme gimme" attitude is really childish and short-sighted. This game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them. Not to mention that there's a lot of adequate casuals that respect others and do not claim that they're entitled to have everything.
There's nothing emotional about it, except for your attempt for emotional manipulation. Its just how computer games are, many of them have "hard mode" achievements, secret collectibles etc. And usually the most powerful gear drops from the most powerful bosses. This is needed to keep people entertained in a long run.
To understand try to play a game you enjoy with all kind of cheats - god mode, extra stats etc, so there's no challenge whatsoever and you'll see how quickly you'll get bored.

(Sorry its long but i added colorful pictures!)

I do understand what you're saying but I noticed it might be taken as if I am categorizing everyone under the same label so I edited it to emphasis that I was referring to that one person(and some others) and using what he said as an example to present something very true. So there is no need for the red herring at the top.

Also I'm suddenly a guy? That could be misrepresented as being sexist and used with the "emotional scaring taken" from that place comment i mentioned above.

Following that you mention "hardcore players dont have anything against casuals, its the casuals who want to get everything with out effort and break the game for everyone else." (/sarcasm warning/this thread must be irrefutable proof of that statement but) That's answering criticism with criticism, it sounds like some casuals are breaking the game for everyone else while using that in situations where people have an assumption that is very ingrained, and therefore taken in their minds as a given. No one breaks your game for you, or else you've given them too much power over you.

Here you go on to mention that: "And its not even about getting gear, I know they will still get stuck on planar inhibitor even with golden staves, I saw plenty of clueless people with golden gear. And that fearsome"gap" youre talking about is around 2-5% dps if you have a really good rotation and already pull 25-30+k. Most of the good gear is craftable, and there's now a merchant for helmets and shoulders (yeah yeah, not the best trait, you'd lose as much as 0.8% crit by wearing it Teh horror for a casual that pulls 10k dps at best)." While you argue that some casuals are breaking the game(ref post above), and by judging those hypothetical examples and numerical values ....2-5% dps is not going to break the game for anyone according to that statement. That's why the weapons dropping in nMA would benefit most while save lots of unwanted lag and bugs. No one is calling for nerf to the perilous(precious? laggy arena. (Cause at this point it some times seems like an emotional attachment towards it.)

"The thing is "gimme gimme gimme" attitude is really childish and short-sighted. This game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them. Not to mention that there's a lot of adequate casuals that respect others and do not claim that they're entitled to have everything." So far you told me to stop labeling others(not my intention but well) then increasingly go on to label others(-face palm- ). Then mention that this silent majority of casuals who are not for weapons at a lower rate and quantity are the "good umpa lumpas"(yes im talking about these though idk i kinda found them creepy right back on topic-) and hold respect(while that could be misrepresented as holding some players on a pedestal e.g. when people make threads about others with a high profile). I really wanted to root for you when you said that the "game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them" we are talking about nMA(not the game as a whole kindly reminding you). That's misrepresenting the topic(if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen an attempt to leverage fear).

Following on that note you state "There's nothing emotional about it, except for your attempt for emotional manipulation." I think that was a jab at my way earlier post and my attempt at humor. Sorry it sucked ok no need to be that way about it ..gosh >.>. Anyways, back on topic aside from that earlier line you state "Its just how computer games are, many of them have "hard mode" achievements, secret collectibles etc. And usually the most powerful gear drops from the most powerful bosses. This is needed to keep people entertained in a long run." and I agree ...I am sure I do, but it seems like you're trying to teach me a lesson while I'm sure people learn new things every day I think its necessary to mention I have played a little more than a decade and a half and more mmo's/games in gerneral than I can remember. Why is that relevant? Well its not- similar to the basis of that comment. Mind you its solo content...

PS
Not that this is relevant either but....Sure i've played god mode on games, one could argue thats what some classes are trying to achieve with this "balance" of the game and proven that some class will have an easier time in the vMA not god mode but when people can vanish reapply buffs heal reset and attack again with massive burst or the massive shields when said person is under 10 percent hp godhood has not been achievable yet.
PSS
Wow that was long.... ah well. [BIG SPOILER UP]

{/END OF BIG SPOILER}

AddictionX wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Lmao nMA is a cake walk. Stop asking to be rewarded for nothing. Casuals.

This is what I was talking about people... We have people thinking they're superior and having others be sub-players to them(lets face it why the unnecessary emphasis on the word casuals like if it was a disease). This is the type of mentality you're allowing and permitting into your game that we all payed equally to have a part of it.

The OP is not asking for a nerf to said content(keep the laggy/buggy arena as is) yet people find a way to disagree based on their egos and pride or whatever emotional scaring you took from that place.

You can not have a rational debate based on emotional responses and triggers because the reasons presented so far are "it should be this way because it should" or "We can not let the casual player base close the gap in gear! I must argue that it wont help them!"

Stop labeling others, mr. Mind Reader.
Most of "hardcore" players dont ahve anything against casuals, its casuals who want to get everything without effort and break the game for anyone else. And its not even about getting gear, I know they will still get stuck on planar inhibitor even with golden staves, I saw plenty of clueless people with golden gear. And that fearsome"gap" youre talking about is around 2-5% dps if you have a really good rotation and already pull 25-30+k. Most of the good gear is craftable, and there's now a merchant for helmets and shoulders (yeah yeah, not the best trait, you'd lose as much as 0.8% crit by wearing it Teh horror for a casual that pulls 10k dps at best).
The thing is "gimme gimme gimme" attitude is really childish and short-sighted. This game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them. Not to mention that there's a lot of adequate casuals that respect others and do not claim that they're entitled to have everything.
There's nothing emotional about it, except for your attempt for emotional manipulation. Its just how computer games are, many of them have "hard mode" achievements, secret collectibles etc. And usually the most powerful gear drops from the most powerful bosses. This is needed to keep people entertained in a long run.
To understand try to play a game you enjoy with all kind of cheats - god mode, extra stats etc, so there's no challenge whatsoever and you'll see how quickly you'll get bored.

(Sorry its long but i added colorful pictures!)

I do understand what you're saying but I noticed it might be taken as if I am categorizing everyone under the same label so I edited it to emphasis that I was referring to that one person(and some others) and using what he said as an example to present something very true. So there is no need for the red herring at the top.

Also I'm suddenly a guy? That could be misrepresented as being sexist and used with the "emotional scaring taken" from that place comment i mentioned above.

Following that you mention "hardcore players dont have anything against casuals, its the casuals who want to get everything with out effort and break the game for everyone else." (/sarcasm warning/this thread must be irrefutable proof of that statement but) That's answering criticism with criticism, it sounds like some casuals are breaking the game for everyone else while using that in situations where people have an assumption that is very ingrained, and therefore taken in their minds as a given. No one breaks your game for you, or else you've given them too much power over you.

Here you go on to mention that: "And its not even about getting gear, I know they will still get stuck on planar inhibitor even with golden staves, I saw plenty of clueless people with golden gear. And that fearsome"gap" youre talking about is around 2-5% dps if you have a really good rotation and already pull 25-30+k. Most of the good gear is craftable, and there's now a merchant for helmets and shoulders (yeah yeah, not the best trait, you'd lose as much as 0.8% crit by wearing it Teh horror for a casual that pulls 10k dps at best)." While you argue that some casuals are breaking the game(ref post above), and by judging those hypothetical examples and numerical values ....2-5% dps is not going to break the game for anyone according to that statement. That's why the weapons dropping in nMA would benefit most while save lots of unwanted lag and bugs. No one is calling for nerf to the perilous(precious?

laggy arena. (Cause at this point it some times seems like an emotional attachment towards it.)

"The thing is "gimme gimme gimme" attitude is really childish and short-sighted. This game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them. Not to mention that there's a lot of adequate casuals that respect others and do not claim that they're entitled to have everything." So far you told me to stop labeling others(not my intention but well) then increasingly go on to label others(-face palm-

). Then mention that this silent majority of casuals who are not for weapons at a lower rate and quantity are the "good umpa lumpas"(yes im talking about these

though idk i kinda found them creepy right back on topic-) and hold respect(while that could be misrepresented as holding some players on a pedestal e.g. when people make threads about others with a high profile). I really wanted to root for you when you said that the "game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them" we are talking about nMA(not the game as a whole kindly reminding you). That's misrepresenting the topic(if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen an attempt to leverage fear).

Following on that note you state "There's nothing emotional about it, except for your attempt for emotional manipulation." I think that was a jab at my way earlier post and my attempt at humor. Sorry it sucked ok no need to be that way about it ..gosh >.>. Anyways, back on topic aside from that earlier line you state "Its just how computer games are, many of them have "hard mode" achievements, secret collectibles etc. And usually the most powerful gear drops from the most powerful bosses. This is needed to keep people entertained in a long run." and I agree ...I am sure I do, but it seems like you're trying to teach me a lesson while I'm sure people learn new things every day I think its necessary to mention I have played a little more than a decade and a half and more mmo's/games in gerneral than I can remember. Why is that relevant? Well its not- similar to the basis of that comment.

PS
Not that this is relevant either but....Sure i've played god mode on games, one could argue thats what some classes are trying to achieve with this "balance" of the game and proven that some class will have an easier time in the vMA not god mode but when people can vanish reapply buffs heal reset and attack again with massive burst or the massive shields when said person is under 10 percent hp godhood has not been achievable yet.

PSS
Wow that was long.... ah well. [BIG SPOILER UP]

{/END OF BIG SPOILER}

Ok, cool, I got it. You can google funny memes. Its awesome, you deserve a medal.

I like it the way it is right now. Casual players have excellent gear available to them due to a very solid crafting system. The crafted sets will let you compete in 99% of the game.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Lmao nMA is a cake walk. Stop asking to be rewarded for nothing. Casuals.

This is what I was talking about people... We have people thinking they're superior and having others be sub-players to them(lets face it why the unnecessary emphasis on the word casuals like if it was a disease). This is the type of mentality you're allowing and permitting into your game that we all payed equally to have a part of it.

The OP is not asking for a nerf to said content(keep the laggy/buggy arena as is) yet people find a way to disagree based on their egos and pride or whatever emotional scaring you took from that place.

You can not have a rational debate based on emotional responses and triggers because the reasons presented so far are "it should be this way because it should" or "We can not let the casual player base close the gap in gear! I must argue that it wont help them!"

Stop labeling others, mr. Mind Reader.
Most of "hardcore" players dont ahve anything against casuals, its casuals who want to get everything without effort and break the game for anyone else. And its not even about getting gear, I know they will still get stuck on planar inhibitor even with golden staves, I saw plenty of clueless people with golden gear. And that fearsome"gap" youre talking about is around 2-5% dps if you have a really good rotation and already pull 25-30+k. Most of the good gear is craftable, and there's now a merchant for helmets and shoulders (yeah yeah, not the best trait, you'd lose as much as 0.8% crit by wearing it Teh horror for a casual that pulls 10k dps at best).
The thing is "gimme gimme gimme" attitude is really childish and short-sighted. This game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them. Not to mention that there's a lot of adequate casuals that respect others and do not claim that they're entitled to have everything.
There's nothing emotional about it, except for your attempt for emotional manipulation. Its just how computer games are, many of them have "hard mode" achievements, secret collectibles etc. And usually the most powerful gear drops from the most powerful bosses. This is needed to keep people entertained in a long run.
To understand try to play a game you enjoy with all kind of cheats - god mode, extra stats etc, so there's no challenge whatsoever and you'll see how quickly you'll get bored.

(Sorry its long but i added colorful pictures!)

I do understand what you're saying but I noticed it might be taken as if I am categorizing everyone under the same label so I edited it to emphasis that I was referring to that one person(and some others) and using what he said as an example to present something very true. So there is no need for the red herring at the top.

Also I'm suddenly a guy? That could be misrepresented as being sexist and used with the "emotional scaring taken" from that place comment i mentioned above.

Following that you mention "hardcore players dont have anything against casuals, its the casuals who want to get everything with out effort and break the game for everyone else." (/sarcasm warning/this thread must be irrefutable proof of that statement but) That's answering criticism with criticism, it sounds like some casuals are breaking the game for everyone else while using that in situations where people have an assumption that is very ingrained, and therefore taken in their minds as a given. No one breaks your game for you, or else you've given them too much power over you.

Here you go on to mention that: "And its not even about getting gear, I know they will still get stuck on planar inhibitor even with golden staves, I saw plenty of clueless people with golden gear. And that fearsome"gap" youre talking about is around 2-5% dps if you have a really good rotation and already pull 25-30+k. Most of the good gear is craftable, and there's now a merchant for helmets and shoulders (yeah yeah, not the best trait, you'd lose as much as 0.8% crit by wearing it Teh horror for a casual that pulls 10k dps at best)." While you argue that some casuals are breaking the game(ref post above), and by judging those hypothetical examples and numerical values ....2-5% dps is not going to break the game for anyone according to that statement. That's why the weapons dropping in nMA would benefit most while save lots of unwanted lag and bugs. No one is calling for nerf to the perilous(precious?

laggy arena. (Cause at this point it some times seems like an emotional attachment towards it.)

"The thing is "gimme gimme gimme" attitude is really childish and short-sighted. This game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them. Not to mention that there's a lot of adequate casuals that respect others and do not claim that they're entitled to have everything." So far you told me to stop labeling others(not my intention but well) then increasingly go on to label others(-face palm-

). Then mention that this silent majority of casuals who are not for weapons at a lower rate and quantity are the "good umpa lumpas"(yes im talking about these

though idk i kinda found them creepy right back on topic-) and hold respect(while that could be misrepresented as holding some players on a pedestal e.g. when people make threads about others with a high profile). I really wanted to root for you when you said that the "game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them" we are talking about nMA(not the game as a whole kindly reminding you). That's misrepresenting the topic(if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen an attempt to leverage fear).

Following on that note you state "There's nothing emotional about it, except for your attempt for emotional manipulation." I think that was a jab at my way earlier post and my attempt at humor. Sorry it sucked ok no need to be that way about it ..gosh >.>. Anyways, back on topic aside from that earlier line you state "Its just how computer games are, many of them have "hard mode" achievements, secret collectibles etc. And usually the most powerful gear drops from the most powerful bosses. This is needed to keep people entertained in a long run." and I agree ...I am sure I do, but it seems like you're trying to teach me a lesson while I'm sure people learn new things every day I think its necessary to mention I have played a little more than a decade and a half and more mmo's/games in gerneral than I can remember. Why is that relevant? Well its not- similar to the basis of that comment.

PS
Not that this is relevant either but....Sure i've played god mode on games, one could argue thats what some classes are trying to achieve with this "balance" of the game and proven that some class will have an easier time in the vMA not god mode but when people can vanish reapply buffs heal reset and attack again with massive burst or the massive shields when said person is under 10 percent hp godhood has not been achievable yet.

PSS
Wow that was long.... ah well. [BIG SPOILER UP]

{/END OF BIG SPOILER}

Ok, cool, I got it. You can google funny memes. Its awesome, you deserve a medal.

That's all you got from it I believe we have a case of- Ad hominem! By subtly casting doubt on their character or use of memes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.

Those meme's where spot on tho Basically there is no game breaking reason to not have weapons made available on nMA other than ... what i mentioned earlier. (ref post)

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

just learn it its not impossible if you want the weapons badly enough bite the bullet spend a few hours to learn it then farm the place.

And how exactly am I supposed to get weapons from this? vMA only drops well-sh*tted helmets on the last boss.

Not only...but if you expect them to drop in your first attempt...well you will get disappointed. I know...RNG is horrible in there, but then talk about this and not about handing them out for free...

AddictionX wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Lmao nMA is a cake walk. Stop asking to be rewarded for nothing. Casuals.

This is what I was talking about people... We have people thinking they're superior and having others be sub-players to them(lets face it why the unnecessary emphasis on the word casuals like if it was a disease). This is the type of mentality you're allowing and permitting into your game that we all payed equally to have a part of it.

The OP is not asking for a nerf to said content(keep the laggy/buggy arena as is) yet people find a way to disagree based on their egos and pride or whatever emotional scaring you took from that place.

You can not have a rational debate based on emotional responses and triggers because the reasons presented so far are "it should be this way because it should" or "We can not let the casual player base close the gap in gear! I must argue that it wont help them!"

Stop labeling others, mr. Mind Reader.
Most of "hardcore" players dont ahve anything against casuals, its casuals who want to get everything without effort and break the game for anyone else. And its not even about getting gear, I know they will still get stuck on planar inhibitor even with golden staves, I saw plenty of clueless people with golden gear. And that fearsome"gap" youre talking about is around 2-5% dps if you have a really good rotation and already pull 25-30+k. Most of the good gear is craftable, and there's now a merchant for helmets and shoulders (yeah yeah, not the best trait, you'd lose as much as 0.8% crit by wearing it Teh horror for a casual that pulls 10k dps at best).
The thing is "gimme gimme gimme" attitude is really childish and short-sighted. This game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them. Not to mention that there's a lot of adequate casuals that respect others and do not claim that they're entitled to have everything.
There's nothing emotional about it, except for your attempt for emotional manipulation. Its just how computer games are, many of them have "hard mode" achievements, secret collectibles etc. And usually the most powerful gear drops from the most powerful bosses. This is needed to keep people entertained in a long run.
To understand try to play a game you enjoy with all kind of cheats - god mode, extra stats etc, so there's no challenge whatsoever and you'll see how quickly you'll get bored.

(Sorry its long but i added colorful pictures!)

I do understand what you're saying but I noticed it might be taken as if I am categorizing everyone under the same label so I edited it to emphasis that I was referring to that one person(and some others) and using what he said as an example to present something very true. So there is no need for the red herring at the top.

Also I'm suddenly a guy? That could be misrepresented as being sexist and used with the "emotional scaring taken" from that place comment i mentioned above.

Following that you mention "hardcore players dont have anything against casuals, its the casuals who want to get everything with out effort and break the game for everyone else." (/sarcasm warning/this thread must be irrefutable proof of that statement but) That's answering criticism with criticism, it sounds like some casuals are breaking the game for everyone else while using that in situations where people have an assumption that is very ingrained, and therefore taken in their minds as a given. No one breaks your game for you, or else you've given them too much power over you.

Here you go on to mention that: "And its not even about getting gear, I know they will still get stuck on planar inhibitor even with golden staves, I saw plenty of clueless people with golden gear. And that fearsome"gap" youre talking about is around 2-5% dps if you have a really good rotation and already pull 25-30+k. Most of the good gear is craftable, and there's now a merchant for helmets and shoulders (yeah yeah, not the best trait, you'd lose as much as 0.8% crit by wearing it Teh horror for a casual that pulls 10k dps at best)." While you argue that some casuals are breaking the game(ref post above), and by judging those hypothetical examples and numerical values ....2-5% dps is not going to break the game for anyone according to that statement. That's why the weapons dropping in nMA would benefit most while save lots of unwanted lag and bugs. No one is calling for nerf to the perilous(precious?

laggy arena. (Cause at this point it some times seems like an emotional attachment towards it.)

"The thing is "gimme gimme gimme" attitude is really childish and short-sighted. This game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them. Not to mention that there's a lot of adequate casuals that respect others and do not claim that they're entitled to have everything." So far you told me to stop labeling others(not my intention but well) then increasingly go on to label others(-face palm-

). Then mention that this silent majority of casuals who are not for weapons at a lower rate and quantity are the "good umpa lumpas"(yes im talking about these

though idk i kinda found them creepy right back on topic-) and hold respect(while that could be misrepresented as holding some players on a pedestal e.g. when people make threads about others with a high profile). I really wanted to root for you when you said that the "game does not belong to casuals and is not made exclusively for them" we are talking about nMA(not the game as a whole kindly reminding you). That's misrepresenting the topic(if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen an attempt to leverage fear).

Following on that note you state "There's nothing emotional about it, except for your attempt for emotional manipulation." I think that was a jab at my way earlier post and my attempt at humor. Sorry it sucked ok no need to be that way about it ..gosh >.>. Anyways, back on topic aside from that earlier line you state "Its just how computer games are, many of them have "hard mode" achievements, secret collectibles etc. And usually the most powerful gear drops from the most powerful bosses. This is needed to keep people entertained in a long run." and I agree ...I am sure I do, but it seems like you're trying to teach me a lesson while I'm sure people learn new things every day I think its necessary to mention I have played a little more than a decade and a half and more mmo's/games in gerneral than I can remember. Why is that relevant? Well its not- similar to the basis of that comment. Mind you its solo content...

PS
Not that this is relevant either but....Sure i've played god mode on games, one could argue thats what some classes are trying to achieve with this "balance" of the game and proven that some class will have an easier time in the vMA not god mode but when people can vanish reapply buffs heal reset and attack again with massive burst or the massive shields when said person is under 10 percent hp godhood has not been achievable yet.

PSS
Wow that was long.... ah well. [BIG SPOILER UP]

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Yeah, so, the person you tried to psychoanalyze simply believes in the idea the best drops should come from the challenging content.

Earn it, like the rest of us.

It's harsh, I know, but the more you do it the easier it gets.

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Normal mode is extremely easy to be dropping any weapons

For what class and build?
Tried today normal MA for the first time on my DK Health/Stam hybrid in gold gear (TBS 5 piece, 3 piece agility, 2 endurance, 1 blood spawn, 1 mephala). It was not easy at all starting at stage 5+ i suppose. Sure, I don't know the mechanics, but still.