PrinceFabious wrote: »

Im pretty sure ZOS knows you hate them by now. Dont think posting more essays is going to solve anything at this point.

I mean he got a response from Wrobel so...

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Wrobel and Wheeler (perhaps more than any other patch) fumbled in the combat and balance they gave us in the TG patch on a number of fronts. Almost all of these mistakes were well-forecast by players ahead of time, but players were not involved/listened to in the brainstorming, polishing, or PTS stages and we have the steaming pile of horse crap that we currently have as a meta. The fact that neither of them have the decency to address any of the issues (Brian gave a few generic lines about performance the other week, but these issues are ones they themselves created with balance tweaks) well over a month later is par for the course, but nevertheless just as shameful as every other time they do it.

I can only reiterate what people have been saying in dozens of threads over the past month for NA PC, so if your experiences in EU or on PS4/Xbox are different, consider yourselves lucky. I'm sure some people (somehow...) love this meta because they enjoy playing a broken NB suicide bomber spec, or enjoy helping to ensure a game-breaking bombard bug happens for enemies (because the permaroot wasn't bad enough on its own), or enjoy sitting on over-tuned siege and embrace their lack of skill (or, oneshot on bugged emp siege). But in my experience, the numbers at fights have multiplied to the extent that it's typical to have almost an entire alliance present, the capabilities of a smaller group to handle that behavior have been eviscerated, everyone and their mother is complaining about the permaroot/snare meta (except those that have a macro for the shuffle exploit ), even most of the people using it agree that the nb bomb and VD are broken and a terrible 'fix' for the core problem, and the maps heavily favor whoever night/day-capped because of how much more difficult it is to assault a keep in this patch vs defend it during primetime. I could go on and on about other failures in this patch, but in general I think that list sums up most of the common ones that the pvp playerbase tends to be in agreement on (though of course even on these few issues some will disagree).

Avoiding the temptation to continue ranting about the broken meta ww2 delivered, there are two simple questions that those two continue to neglect/refuse to address.

1. Will we continue to have to play in this meta without substantial changes to some of the more glaringly broken aspects of it for another 2 months, or will changes come sooner (or... later )?

2. What are the planned balance changes for the DB patch? So far all we know is that stamina will be a focus and reverse slash will be the latest laughable change via Wrobel. This patch should be hitting PTS in less than a month if the timelines hold true.


If it wasn't clear, I'd like to reiterate that these are issues strictly related to combat and the overall meta, I'm not even discussing the performance issues because those have been static for over a year now (though some of these issues certainly exacerbate performance issues, like the alliance v alliance fights you get at stacked keeps now).

First let's clear something up; you are not a small group... You're running in a Zerg and you're upset that specific tactic isn't as viable as it was.

Second your biggest issue with the fights and alliances in one spot stems from the one thing you didn't mention in your post. The stupid forward camps being added back. For example last night I kept killing the same group of EP over and over again but within 30 seconds of dying they'd be right back at glade mist like nothing happened

Fights have ended up not mattering anymore cause of this and when you have two bloody classes that can escape fights to throw down these camps with ease you end up with these never ending battles.

I've been running in group of 6-10 on average over the past week because no one can stomach the bombard, broken CC breaks, nor performance of this patch (and still fighting against 50 reds at times). And because you lack basic reading comprehension, I said smaller groups. Even a group of 20 is indeed smaller than the horde of 60+ that run between chalman and ales every night on TF.

I've made my views on FCs very clear on the forums, but not everyone seems to be in agreement on that, and the other issues I highlighted at least seem to have large agreement among the playerbase.

20 is not a smaller group...its a zerg that just happens to run into bigger zergs every now and again...

Most of the things you list don't have much to do with the current meta...Broken CC breaks and performance has always been an issue (that I agree with) and hell..I even agree with you on Bombard..though its less likely to be an issue for me as i'm usually not getting hit by it..It certainly shouldn't be stacking like it is. However your whines about getting blown up while stacking or for example siege is just you not adjusting to being vulnerable now to something when zerging around.

The biggest issue like I said this patch is adding back the Camps...They were bad the first time and they're still bad.

Our massive groups of 6-10 that I said we averaged over the last week were, in fact, zerging around and doing zergling things against the red horde. We are most ashamed. Every time we faced 50+ reds with a group of that size, our TS would ask, why are we not doing more skillful things like running a Xsorus approved sized group? If only we were in DAOC where our actions would have been met with an immediate ban from the game and a forced uninstall.

When you can make it into any breach that has 50 reds defending and pelting with siege, and then survive to somehow maintain siege on the inner, please, let me know your superior tactics and skill so our zerglings may learn from it and be more DAOC-like in their daily lives. Until then, continue running outside the outer like a pug and waiting for a group to push in and carve a path for you to potentially get inside and not immediately blow up.

Wait what about DAOC though?

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Prabooo wrote: »

please stop sayin META in every post

META

Zheg wrote: »

Wrobel and Wheeler (perhaps more than any other patch) fumbled in the combat and balance they gave us in the TG patch on a number of fronts. Almost all of these mistakes were well-forecast by players ahead of time, but players were not involved/listened to in the brainstorming, polishing, or PTS stages and we have the steaming pile of horse crap that we currently have as a meta. The fact that neither of them have the decency to address any of the issues (Brian gave a few generic lines about performance the other week, but these issues are ones they themselves created with balance tweaks) well over a month later is par for the course, but nevertheless just as shameful as every other time they do it.

I can only reiterate what people have been saying in dozens of threads over the past month for NA PC, so if your experiences in EU or on PS4/Xbox are different, consider yourselves lucky. I'm sure some people (somehow...) love this meta because they enjoy playing a broken NB suicide bomber spec, or enjoy helping to ensure a game-breaking bombard bug happens for enemies (because the permaroot wasn't bad enough on its own), or enjoy sitting on over-tuned siege and embrace their lack of skill (or, oneshot on bugged emp siege). But in my experience, the numbers at fights have multiplied to the extent that it's typical to have almost an entire alliance present, the capabilities of a smaller group to handle that behavior have been eviscerated, everyone and their mother is complaining about the permaroot/snare meta (except those that have a macro for the shuffle exploit ), even most of the people using it agree that the nb bomb and VD are broken and a terrible 'fix' for the core problem, and the maps heavily favor whoever night/day-capped because of how much more difficult it is to assault a keep in this patch vs defend it during primetime. I could go on and on about other failures in this patch, but in general I think that list sums up most of the common ones that the pvp playerbase tends to be in agreement on (though of course even on these few issues some will disagree).

Avoiding the temptation to continue ranting about the broken meta ww2 delivered, there are two simple questions that those two continue to neglect/refuse to address.

1. Will we continue to have to play in this meta without substantial changes to some of the more glaringly broken aspects of it for another 2 months, or will changes come sooner (or... later )?

2. What are the planned balance changes for the DB patch? So far all we know is that stamina will be a focus and reverse slash will be the latest laughable change via Wrobel. This patch should be hitting PTS in less than a month if the timelines hold true.


If it wasn't clear, I'd like to reiterate that these are issues strictly related to combat and the overall meta, I'm not even discussing the performance issues because those have been static for over a year now (though some of these issues certainly exacerbate performance issues, like the alliance v alliance fights you get at stacked keeps now).

Right there with ya Zheg. But I know in the ESO live that Wrobel said Heavy armor passives would be looked at. I'm 50/50 on wether that's actually going to happen, let alone get some changes. My DK main (now collecting dust) has really 2 options. Medium armor/stam. Or Light armor magicka. There isn't enough regen or perks in heavy armor passives for it to be worth wearing.

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Wrobel and Wheeler (perhaps more than any other patch) fumbled in the combat and balance they gave us in the TG patch on a number of fronts. Almost all of these mistakes were well-forecast by players ahead of time, but players were not involved/listened to in the brainstorming, polishing, or PTS stages and we have the steaming pile of horse crap that we currently have as a meta. The fact that neither of them have the decency to address any of the issues (Brian gave a few generic lines about performance the other week, but these issues are ones they themselves created with balance tweaks) well over a month later is par for the course, but nevertheless just as shameful as every other time they do it.

I can only reiterate what people have been saying in dozens of threads over the past month for NA PC, so if your experiences in EU or on PS4/Xbox are different, consider yourselves lucky. I'm sure some people (somehow...) love this meta because they enjoy playing a broken NB suicide bomber spec, or enjoy helping to ensure a game-breaking bombard bug happens for enemies (because the permaroot wasn't bad enough on its own), or enjoy sitting on over-tuned siege and embrace their lack of skill (or, oneshot on bugged emp siege). But in my experience, the numbers at fights have multiplied to the extent that it's typical to have almost an entire alliance present, the capabilities of a smaller group to handle that behavior have been eviscerated, everyone and their mother is complaining about the permaroot/snare meta (except those that have a macro for the shuffle exploit ), even most of the people using it agree that the nb bomb and VD are broken and a terrible 'fix' for the core problem, and the maps heavily favor whoever night/day-capped because of how much more difficult it is to assault a keep in this patch vs defend it during primetime. I could go on and on about other failures in this patch, but in general I think that list sums up most of the common ones that the pvp playerbase tends to be in agreement on (though of course even on these few issues some will disagree).

Avoiding the temptation to continue ranting about the broken meta ww2 delivered, there are two simple questions that those two continue to neglect/refuse to address.

1. Will we continue to have to play in this meta without substantial changes to some of the more glaringly broken aspects of it for another 2 months, or will changes come sooner (or... later )?

2. What are the planned balance changes for the DB patch? So far all we know is that stamina will be a focus and reverse slash will be the latest laughable change via Wrobel. This patch should be hitting PTS in less than a month if the timelines hold true.


If it wasn't clear, I'd like to reiterate that these are issues strictly related to combat and the overall meta, I'm not even discussing the performance issues because those have been static for over a year now (though some of these issues certainly exacerbate performance issues, like the alliance v alliance fights you get at stacked keeps now).

First let's clear something up; you are not a small group... You're running in a Zerg and you're upset that specific tactic isn't as viable as it was.

Second your biggest issue with the fights and alliances in one spot stems from the one thing you didn't mention in your post. The stupid forward camps being added back. For example last night I kept killing the same group of EP over and over again but within 30 seconds of dying they'd be right back at glade mist like nothing happened

Fights have ended up not mattering anymore cause of this and when you have two bloody classes that can escape fights to throw down these camps with ease you end up with these never ending battles.

I've been running in group of 6-10 on average over the past week because no one can stomach the bombard, broken CC breaks, nor performance of this patch (and still fighting against 50 reds at times). And because you lack basic reading comprehension, I said smaller groups. Even a group of 20 is indeed smaller than the horde of 60+ that run between chalman and ales every night on TF.

I've made my views on FCs very clear on the forums, but not everyone seems to be in agreement on that, and the other issues I highlighted at least seem to have large agreement among the playerbase.

20 is not a smaller group...its a zerg that just happens to run into bigger zergs every now and again...

Most of the things you list don't have much to do with the current meta...Broken CC breaks and performance has always been an issue (that I agree with) and hell..I even agree with you on Bombard..though its less likely to be an issue for me as i'm usually not getting hit by it..It certainly shouldn't be stacking like it is. However your whines about getting blown up while stacking or for example siege is just you not adjusting to being vulnerable now to something when zerging around.

The biggest issue like I said this patch is adding back the Camps...They were bad the first time and they're still bad.

Our massive groups of 6-10 that I said we averaged over the last week were, in fact, zerging around and doing zergling things against the red horde. We are most ashamed. Every time we faced 50+ reds with a group of that size, our TS would ask, why are we not doing more skillful things like running a Xsorus approved sized group? If only we were in DAOC where our actions would have been met with an immediate ban from the game and a forced uninstall.

When you can make it into any breach that has 50 reds defending and pelting with siege, and then survive to somehow maintain siege on the inner, please, let me know your superior tactics and skill so our zerglings may learn from it and be more DAOC-like in their daily lives. Until then, continue running outside the outer like a pug and waiting for a group to push in and carve a path for you to potentially get inside and not immediately blow up.

Ive pushed into plenty of keeps; in fact it's not so much of an issue for me as I'm not a fat stack that's going to be a target for bombers. As for running my approved group sizes; you want to Zerg around in a big group by all means go ahead... In fact I support you being able to Zerg if you want to. I personally won't find anything you do skillful when you're doing it; but if you want to do it I have no real problem with it. What I do have a problem with is you pretending you're a small group which you're not... Or that you're not zerging. I also have a problem with you crying now that stacking isn't the number one strategy in the game now with no penalties. Every essay you do is a woe is me siege hurts and i die to bombs please help us.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Wrobel and Wheeler (perhaps more than any other patch) fumbled in the combat and balance they gave us in the TG patch on a number of fronts. Almost all of these mistakes were well-forecast by players ahead of time, but players were not involved/listened to in the brainstorming, polishing, or PTS stages and we have the steaming pile of horse crap that we currently have as a meta. The fact that neither of them have the decency to address any of the issues (Brian gave a few generic lines about performance the other week, but these issues are ones they themselves created with balance tweaks) well over a month later is par for the course, but nevertheless just as shameful as every other time they do it.

I can only reiterate what people have been saying in dozens of threads over the past month for NA PC, so if your experiences in EU or on PS4/Xbox are different, consider yourselves lucky. I'm sure some people (somehow...) love this meta because they enjoy playing a broken NB suicide bomber spec, or enjoy helping to ensure a game-breaking bombard bug happens for enemies (because the permaroot wasn't bad enough on its own), or enjoy sitting on over-tuned siege and embrace their lack of skill (or, oneshot on bugged emp siege). But in my experience, the numbers at fights have multiplied to the extent that it's typical to have almost an entire alliance present, the capabilities of a smaller group to handle that behavior have been eviscerated, everyone and their mother is complaining about the permaroot/snare meta (except those that have a macro for the shuffle exploit ), even most of the people using it agree that the nb bomb and VD are broken and a terrible 'fix' for the core problem, and the maps heavily favor whoever night/day-capped because of how much more difficult it is to assault a keep in this patch vs defend it during primetime. I could go on and on about other failures in this patch, but in general I think that list sums up most of the common ones that the pvp playerbase tends to be in agreement on (though of course even on these few issues some will disagree).

Avoiding the temptation to continue ranting about the broken meta ww2 delivered, there are two simple questions that those two continue to neglect/refuse to address.

1. Will we continue to have to play in this meta without substantial changes to some of the more glaringly broken aspects of it for another 2 months, or will changes come sooner (or... later )?

2. What are the planned balance changes for the DB patch? So far all we know is that stamina will be a focus and reverse slash will be the latest laughable change via Wrobel. This patch should be hitting PTS in less than a month if the timelines hold true.


If it wasn't clear, I'd like to reiterate that these are issues strictly related to combat and the overall meta, I'm not even discussing the performance issues because those have been static for over a year now (though some of these issues certainly exacerbate performance issues, like the alliance v alliance fights you get at stacked keeps now).

First let's clear something up; you are not a small group... You're running in a Zerg and you're upset that specific tactic isn't as viable as it was.

Second your biggest issue with the fights and alliances in one spot stems from the one thing you didn't mention in your post. The stupid forward camps being added back. For example last night I kept killing the same group of EP over and over again but within 30 seconds of dying they'd be right back at glade mist like nothing happened

Fights have ended up not mattering anymore cause of this and when you have two bloody classes that can escape fights to throw down these camps with ease you end up with these never ending battles.

I've been running in group of 6-10 on average over the past week because no one can stomach the bombard, broken CC breaks, nor performance of this patch (and still fighting against 50 reds at times). And because you lack basic reading comprehension, I said smaller groups. Even a group of 20 is indeed smaller than the horde of 60+ that run between chalman and ales every night on TF.

I've made my views on FCs very clear on the forums, but not everyone seems to be in agreement on that, and the other issues I highlighted at least seem to have large agreement among the playerbase.

20 is not a smaller group...its a zerg that just happens to run into bigger zergs every now and again...

Most of the things you list don't have much to do with the current meta...Broken CC breaks and performance has always been an issue (that I agree with) and hell..I even agree with you on Bombard..though its less likely to be an issue for me as i'm usually not getting hit by it..It certainly shouldn't be stacking like it is. However your whines about getting blown up while stacking or for example siege is just you not adjusting to being vulnerable now to something when zerging around.

The biggest issue like I said this patch is adding back the Camps...They were bad the first time and they're still bad.

Didn't you quit or something?

What exactly do you do in this game aside from wax nostalgic over DAOC?

Why don't you upload a video of your elite small-man taking an emperor keep and show us how all those years playing DAOC made you the PvP paragon and game-design expert you think you are?

Oh wait, you're just clogging up the ques - you're the same person who said something to the effect of "in the entire 2 years of playing this game...I decided not to participate in any keep fights and have no idea about the layout of keeps." Nice, keep telling us who actually want to play objectives how we ought to play and chastise us for not following your approved group-size.

See previous post; also I see you don't grasp the concept of sarcasm since there is actual videos of me fighting keep fights all though my video collection. I mean I thought it was pretty evident at the time that it was sarcasm but maybe I should actually tell you it's sarcasm since it flew over your head the first time *grin*

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Wrobel and Wheeler (perhaps more than any other patch) fumbled in the combat and balance they gave us in the TG patch on a number of fronts. Almost all of these mistakes were well-forecast by players ahead of time, but players were not involved/listened to in the brainstorming, polishing, or PTS stages and we have the steaming pile of horse crap that we currently have as a meta. The fact that neither of them have the decency to address any of the issues (Brian gave a few generic lines about performance the other week, but these issues are ones they themselves created with balance tweaks) well over a month later is par for the course, but nevertheless just as shameful as every other time they do it.

I can only reiterate what people have been saying in dozens of threads over the past month for NA PC, so if your experiences in EU or on PS4/Xbox are different, consider yourselves lucky. I'm sure some people (somehow...) love this meta because they enjoy playing a broken NB suicide bomber spec, or enjoy helping to ensure a game-breaking bombard bug happens for enemies (because the permaroot wasn't bad enough on its own), or enjoy sitting on over-tuned siege and embrace their lack of skill (or, oneshot on bugged emp siege). But in my experience, the numbers at fights have multiplied to the extent that it's typical to have almost an entire alliance present, the capabilities of a smaller group to handle that behavior have been eviscerated, everyone and their mother is complaining about the permaroot/snare meta (except those that have a macro for the shuffle exploit ), even most of the people using it agree that the nb bomb and VD are broken and a terrible 'fix' for the core problem, and the maps heavily favor whoever night/day-capped because of how much more difficult it is to assault a keep in this patch vs defend it during primetime. I could go on and on about other failures in this patch, but in general I think that list sums up most of the common ones that the pvp playerbase tends to be in agreement on (though of course even on these few issues some will disagree).

Avoiding the temptation to continue ranting about the broken meta ww2 delivered, there are two simple questions that those two continue to neglect/refuse to address.

1. Will we continue to have to play in this meta without substantial changes to some of the more glaringly broken aspects of it for another 2 months, or will changes come sooner (or... later )?

2. What are the planned balance changes for the DB patch? So far all we know is that stamina will be a focus and reverse slash will be the latest laughable change via Wrobel. This patch should be hitting PTS in less than a month if the timelines hold true.


If it wasn't clear, I'd like to reiterate that these are issues strictly related to combat and the overall meta, I'm not even discussing the performance issues because those have been static for over a year now (though some of these issues certainly exacerbate performance issues, like the alliance v alliance fights you get at stacked keeps now).

First let's clear something up; you are not a small group... You're running in a Zerg and you're upset that specific tactic isn't as viable as it was.

Second your biggest issue with the fights and alliances in one spot stems from the one thing you didn't mention in your post. The stupid forward camps being added back. For example last night I kept killing the same group of EP over and over again but within 30 seconds of dying they'd be right back at glade mist like nothing happened

Fights have ended up not mattering anymore cause of this and when you have two bloody classes that can escape fights to throw down these camps with ease you end up with these never ending battles.

I've been running in group of 6-10 on average over the past week because no one can stomach the bombard, broken CC breaks, nor performance of this patch (and still fighting against 50 reds at times). And because you lack basic reading comprehension, I said smaller groups. Even a group of 20 is indeed smaller than the horde of 60+ that run between chalman and ales every night on TF.

I've made my views on FCs very clear on the forums, but not everyone seems to be in agreement on that, and the other issues I highlighted at least seem to have large agreement among the playerbase.

20 is not a smaller group...its a zerg that just happens to run into bigger zergs every now and again...

Most of the things you list don't have much to do with the current meta...Broken CC breaks and performance has always been an issue (that I agree with) and hell..I even agree with you on Bombard..though its less likely to be an issue for me as i'm usually not getting hit by it..It certainly shouldn't be stacking like it is. However your whines about getting blown up while stacking or for example siege is just you not adjusting to being vulnerable now to something when zerging around.

The biggest issue like I said this patch is adding back the Camps...They were bad the first time and they're still bad.

Didn't you quit or something?

What exactly do you do in this game aside from wax nostalgic over DAOC?

Why don't you upload a video of your elite small-man taking an emperor keep and show us how all those years playing DAOC made you the PvP paragon and game-design expert you think you are?

Oh wait, you're just clogging up the ques - you're the same person who said something to the effect of "in the entire 2 years of playing this game...I decided not to participate in any keep fights and have no idea about the layout of keeps." Nice, keep telling us who actually want to play objectives how we ought to play and chastise us for not following your approved group-size.

He runs with the pug zergs Joy, he may not be in their group but the only times I've ever actually seen him in game is right in the middle of a fat stack of DC

I will Zerg any day of the week and have zero problem admitting it; I also have multiple videos of me soloing so I'm not sure where you think you're going with that accusation. But if I'm playing my bomber spec which is fairly common now you will see me near zergs if I'm on the overland map cause that's where I find stacks of people at. If I'm not on the overland map I'm usually soloing in the sewers unless there is a big battle in there (you occasionally get people camping the entrance at spawn)

Zheg wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Camps can be fixed with one thing: Bloodporting.

Going with res sickness is an alternative route, but it's like continuing along the road because you're too proud to turn around and go back the way you came to a better destination. If you keep camps exactly as they are now with a small radius and res timer, but add the option of bloodporting then it'll massively increase the options for PvP in the game.

Currently everyone's zerging, especially with EP in EU-PC because the overall meta as previously mentioned is throw everyone in one direction and use sheer numbers to beat the enemy. Since going across the length/width of the map might result in 3 keeps being taken behind you once you reach there, there's little incentive for groups to hit the back lines of keeps unless they just want to farm AP. This in itself is more difficult when you need the whole group(s) there from the get go as one random spotter in zone can alert a faction, whereas one random player riding is more innocuous and less likely to trigger a zerg alert.

Using bloodporting will allow groups to reposition themselves all over the map at least every 30 seconds and will help spread out PvP a bit more. EP/DC/AD zerg in one direction? Good luck when everyone of your keeps is being capped behind you. Save them by spreading out and operating in smaller groups to save those keeps instead of a massive train.

If ZOS implemented that, and gave roots a CC cooldown like the current CC immunity (optional if they fix root stacking), fixed the shuffle bug and root stacking then the game might well be salvagable for another DLC and make quite a number of players happy.

I've always hated forward camps in all of their forms, and realize I may be in the minority on that. Blood porting will allow the hordes we're seeing in TG to instantly move around the map as well, so I don't think that would alleviate the problem as much as we'd all hope. It also would do nothing for the last emp keep, as everyone will stack it anyway and ignore whatever other keep lights up behind them. In previous patches, you used to be able to dethrone in one of two ways.

1. You zerg it down with greater numbers
2. You're able to kill enough opponents that the scales tip and provide a window of opportunity to flip flags while they either try to get rezzes or have to run back

Only option 1 remains, because being able to forward camp inside your keep eliminates the potential window to flip flags in a majority of cases. In my experiences thus far in the TG patch, the only time you can realistically stop the enemy from putting up forward camps is when you have so many allies there that you're really just back to option 1.

I agree that FCs will put you in the same position for the last emp keeps, but that's always been the case and the changes I mentioned wouldn't make a difference from how things are now.

However, bloodporting would allow an organised group to defend the emp keep for one round of attacks, then instantly port across the map to siege and capture another emp keep from behind the main zerg, making it either a race against time or forcing the attackers to split to stop keep whack-a-mole.

Additionally, your other point about hordes being able to bloodport is true, but when you can have organised groups doing the same and sieging keeps more effectively it either forces the horde to split or stick together and lose keeps and transitus ability.

Darnathian wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Can someone please explain the Shuffle bug to me? I keep hearing about it, but I've yet to find someone who knows exactly what it does or how it works.

It was posted yesterday, ZOS deleted it and then said they're working on it. The bug apparently allows you to get up to 80% (haven't tested that part myself) dodge chance, but in general involves stacking the 20% dodge chance buff. Keep any discussion of the mechanics of it to messages and in-game whispers or ZOS will just delete things.

Hello Kodi, Chief, lol. They dont even need it

ya that chief guy, huge exploiter

Darnathian wrote: »

Jordaen wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Can someone please explain the Shuffle bug to me? I keep hearing about it, but I've yet to find someone who knows exactly what it does or how it works.

It was posted yesterday, ZOS deleted it and then said they're working on it. The bug apparently allows you to get up to 80% (haven't tested that part myself) dodge chance, but in general involves stacking the 20% dodge chance buff. Keep any discussion of the mechanics of it to messages and in-game whispers or ZOS will just delete things.

Hello Kodi, Chief, lol. They dont even need it

ya that chief guy, huge exploiter

Shuffle? Double mundus? lol. im not blind.

Woooooow axe.

Woooooooooooooow axe.

Yea Shuffle is bugged, but @Jordaen doesn't intentionally exploit. Lots of stamina classes would be too squishy without dodge chance, so he and lots of people are forced to use Shuffle despite the bug until it's fixed.

I agree with what Bitaken said about FC's. The timer should be increased to 4 minutes instead of 2. I don't want FC's out of the game and honestly don't think they hurt things as much as people think that they do but with the constant complaining about them will no doubt lead to them being dealt with... so... at least I can try to look at some "nerfs" to them and hope that's what ZoS chooses instead of deleting them again.

PVP has almost always been a numbers game. IMO, maybe it's a bad one because I am a bit sour, some players complaining about FC's are just mad because they can't run into a keep with 12-24 players and just destroy everything on the first try. They don't see that things like that actually started the night-capping and the lack of defense at keeps... who wants to be run over by a group of 24 when siege doesn't do much (I know it does now but didn't back then) and you will get run over by Steel Tornado, Leap and Bats. Plus, you could just put down your own FC and rez at them, have a magicka NB run around the keep walls and burn enemy camps.... not hard honestly.

I think getting rid of FC's will just increase the amount of players at a keep instead of spreading out... it will install this "we only have this one chance to get this keep or one chance to defend this keep" attitude and everyone will pile up, especially if they know that the keep is being defended/sieged by VE or Haxus etc.

I do agree that some things introduced in TG was bad but FC was just not one of them, some just aren't willing to adjust or expand the mindset. I do get "more people show up at a keep now" thing... trust me I do.. .but when it's literally the ONLY thing going on... how is that surprising? (and that happens more then maybe some realize) I remember when I walked into Wabbajack and multiple keeps were flagged, battles were happening all over the map so you had options, you spread out.. now... even in pop-locked campaigns you often just wait for a keep to flag or the "zerg" to doing something and help... because no other groups are doing ANYTHING. That's the problem, not FC's. I think if you had multiple things going on and the map was painted with battles, keeps flagged, resources flagged etc. then FC's would be praised and it would have reduced lag but no one spreads out and still show up at one keep instead of multiple.

Heck, I even took a break after that nasty Alessia defense a few nights ago on TF when 2-3 EP raids showed up at the keep to take it, including a well-known organized guild... the VERY few AD defending (including me) had no chance. I filled a kill quest there too and most even stayed dead and waited for a rez... didn't even use a camp and we were run over still by the others simply because no one spread out and the whole EP faction on the server showed up at one keep. Makes me really miss the days of Wabbajack and when Dawnbreaker became an active and fun campaign.