For Those Who Are New To MMORPGs

Panda_iMunch · April 2016

Here is a common rule about account sharing that is common throughout most MMORPGs, don't share them with anyone. ZoS even has a little paragraph for it!

Just a heads up before anyone gets peered pressured by friends!

SirAndy · April 2016

That paragraph actually does NOT exclude you from letting someone else play on your account as long as they don't violate the TOS while using your account.

Elsir · April 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

That paragraph actually does NOT exclude you from letting someone else play on your account as long as they don't violate the TOS while using your account.

The first line covers "any circumstance". Everything else in the paragraph is addendum material telling you what may happen if further activity is conducted while the account is already being shared.

Panda_iMunch · April 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

That paragraph actually does NOT exclude you letting someone else play on your account as long as they don't violate the TOS while using your account.

"Your account... may be... terminated if someone else uses your account..."

It's pretty clear about it, but hey, don't let it stop you! I'm sure you'll be fine (just kidding) Kappa

SirAndy · April 2016

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

That paragraph actually does NOT exclude you letting someone else play on your account as long as they don't violate the TOS while using your account.

"Your account... may be... terminated if someone else uses your account..."
It's pretty clear about it, but hey, don't let it stop you! I'm sure you'll be fine (just kidding) Kappa

Nope, you omitted the important part of that sentence:

"Your account... may be... terminated if someone else uses your account... to engage in activity to violate these TOS or is otherwise improper or illegal"

Reading comprehension saves accounts!

SirAndy · April 2016

Elsir wrote: »

The first line covers "any circumstance".

The first line talks about transferring your account, which is not the same as letting someone else play on it.

Panda_iMunch · April 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

That paragraph actually does NOT exclude you letting someone else play on your account as long as they don't violate the TOS while using your account.

"Your account... may be... terminated if someone else uses your account..."
It's pretty clear about it, but hey, don't let it stop you! I'm sure you'll be fine (just kidding) Kappa

Nope, you omitted the important part of that sentence:

"Your account... may be... terminated if someone else uses your account... to engage in activity to violate these TOS or is otherwise improper or illegal"

Reading comprehension saves accounts!

Well considering that "Account are non-transferable under all circumstances." that sharing that you do with your friend violates the ToS , therefore the statement is still applicable.

Also, legal transferring is just the "the movement of property from one person or entity to another." So if a person has access and can use it, the account has be transferred to that person.

SirAndy · April 2016

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Well considering that "Account are non-transferable under all circumstances." that sharing that you do with your friend violates the ToS , therefore the statement is still applicable.

If you sit right next to me in front of my computer and i let you create a character under my ESO account and you play that character, at no point did i *transfer* my account to you.

Panda_iMunch · April 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Well considering that "Account are non-transferable under all circumstances." that sharing that you do with your friend violates the ToS , therefore the statement is still applicable.

If you sit right next to me in front of my computer and i let you create a character under my ESO account and you play that character, at no point did i *transfer* my account to you.

Yes you did transfer, the issue is ZoS having to prove that.

UrQuan · April 2016

Careful guys: according to @ZOS_GregoryV in this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/259765/account-sharing#latest
discussing what's in the Terms of Service is against forum rules. Apparently it's not about whether you're discussing a specific disciplinary action (because that's not what was happening in that thread), we're simply not allowed to talk about what the rules are.

Panda_iMunch · April 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Careful guys: according to @ZOS_GregoryV in this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/259765/account-sharing#latest
discussing what's in the Terms of Service is against forum rules. Apparently it's not about whether you're discussing a specific disciplinary action (because that's not what was happening in that thread), we're simply not allowed to talk about what the rules are.

Just trying to be helpful, but I can understand that if they don't want to be spammed :^)

Elsir · April 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Well considering that "Account are non-transferable under all circumstances." that sharing that you do with your friend violates the ToS , therefore the statement is still applicable.

If you sit right next to me in front of my computer and i let you create a character under my ESO account and you play that character, at no point did i *transfer* my account to you.

You do realise that transfer does not mean "give ownership", right? It means moving from one place to another. Which means "transferring" can happen multiple times. You transfer your account to the person you're sharing it with, they transfer it back, etc etc. Just because you don't sign a contract saying you bequeath your account undisputed unto another person with no option for return does not mean you're not engaging in a transfer. A temporary transfer, but a transfer. It really is not the hardest thing in the world to grasp. I mean, I could give benefit of the doubt if English is not your first language because words vs meanings can be hard to translate effectively.

Panda_iMunch · April 2016

Elsir wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Well considering that "Account are non-transferable under all circumstances." that sharing that you do with your friend violates the ToS , therefore the statement is still applicable.

If you sit right next to me in front of my computer and i let you create a character under my ESO account and you play that character, at no point did i *transfer* my account to you.

You do realise that transfer does not mean "give ownership", right? It means moving from one place to another. Which means "transferring" can happen multiple times. You transfer your account to the person you're sharing it with, they transfer it back, etc etc. Just because you don't sign a contract saying you bequeath your account undisputed unto another person with no option for return does not mean you're not engaging in a transfer. A temporary transfer, but a transfer. It really is not the hardest thing in the world to grasp. I mean, I could give benefit of the doubt if English is not your first language because words vs meanings can be hard to translate effectively.

Much more eloquent than what I said, but still very true. To be fair, legal definitions can be different than what is commonly said.

SirAndy · April 2016

Elsir wrote: »

I mean, I could give benefit of the doubt if English is not your first language because words vs meanings can be hard to translate effectively.

English is indeed not my first language but i don't think i am in need of your doubt.

The paragraph states:
"Your account... may be... terminated if someone else uses your account... to engage in activity to violate these TOS or is otherwise improper or illegal"

Which in turn clearly implies that someone can use my account if the do *NOT* engage in activity to violate these TOS or is otherwise improper or illegal.

Panda_iMunch · April 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Elsir wrote: »

I mean, I could give benefit of the doubt if English is not your first language because words vs meanings can be hard to translate effectively.

English is indeed not my first language but i don't think i am in need of your doubt.

The paragraph states:
"Your account... may be... terminated if someone else uses your account... to engage in activity to violate these TOS or is otherwise improper or illegal"

Which in turn clearly implies that someone can use my account if the do *NOT* engage in activity to violate these TOS or is otherwise improper or illegal.

Sharing your account is a violation and so that person would be violating the ToS on that account either way...

Volkodav · April 2016

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

That paragraph actually does NOT exclude you letting someone else play on your account as long as they don't violate the TOS while using your account.

"Your account... may be... terminated if someone else uses your account..."

It's pretty clear about it, but hey, don't let it stop you! I'm sure you'll be fine (just kidding) Kappa

Ok,how do they know your friend is playing a character you let them make on your PC? They have no way to know that.
My friend had a character ahd she came down to my place to play.She died a few weeks ago,but I still play her character for her.
I posted here about it and ZOS said nothing to me at all,thankfully.
So,I think the problem might be sharing on different computers,rather than just letting your pal play sometimes on your account.

emily3989 · April 2016

I was in a high end raiding guild in EQ2 and it is fair to say that on any given raid, at least 25% of the characters were being played by a different account holder. Hell, most every raid someone was 2-boxing theirs and another's account if someone couldn't show up. Not saying it's right, but it was very common place and well known.

AddictionX · April 2016

wtf people are actually reading the TOS all of a sudden .... its a miracle