Am I the only person who LIKES Vicious Death?

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

You mock but he's 100% correct in everything that he's said.

I never questioned the validity of the opinion, just the approach.

What's your issue with the approach?

Solariken · April 2016

VD is a cool set, but the damage is a little over-tuned and it synergizes FAR too well with the Nightblade toolkit.

vamp_emily · April 2016

Zheg wrote: »

To all of the people who keep saying "I don't have it yet, but I love it!", pretty much every regular pvper that wants to run this set has acquired it by now, so all I can do is assume that you don't play in pvp very often. It has not forced people to spread out, stop spreading that garbage talking point. In the TG patch people are stacking up even more and bringing double or triple the numbers you'd commonly see on the last patch.

It has not forced people to spread out, but it sure has made people come here and cry about how OP it is.

For the ones that are spreading garbage about how OP it is, I say, "Learn to adapt". If your group dies from a VD set that is your own fault.

KingDuncanVII · April 2016

VD should only proc on one person at a time and have a more noticeable visual. I get killed with VD and I didn't see anything.

timidobserver · April 2016

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

VD should only proc on one person at a time and have a more noticeable visual. I get killed with VD and I didn't see anything.

I like the visual because it doesn't assault your GPU like some other things.

flguy147ub17_ESO · April 2016

I have heard people say stop zerging and stuff due to this set. I always find that funny, Try not zerging in Cyrodiil and you will get destroyed by other factions Zergs lol. People say spread out too lol, you can try and spread out but when there are 20 other players fighting around you then there will always be players that end up next to you. Small scale PVP like 3 vs 3 very seldom exist in Cyrodiil. There is so much wrong with the VD design, its basically ZOS's method of trying to fix lag by trying to force people to stop Zerging. Zerging will always happen and no set will ever break it up period. Its still way safer to travel in a 20 man group then a 3 man group. They need to fix the core problem instead of adding cheesy sets.

Resipsa131 · April 2016

My only complaint about VD is that it makes it difficult to go through breeches in walls to capture keeps and makes it difficult to capture flags on keeps and resources. If VD was considered siege damage and your could reduce the damage via siege bubble I'd be okay with it because it keeps zerg balls spread out in most cases but allows normal function of the game. I hate players/streamers that say I've never been killed by VD (because you don't capture keeps or resources jesus Christ)

Callous2208 · April 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

To all of the people who keep saying "I don't have it yet, but I love it!", pretty much every regular pvper that wants to run this set has acquired it by now, so all I can do is assume that you don't play in pvp very often. It has not forced people to spread out, stop spreading that garbage talking point. In the TG patch people are stacking up even more and bringing double or triple the numbers you'd commonly see on the last patch.

It has not forced people to spread out, but it sure has made people come here and cry about how OP it is.

For the ones that are spreading garbage about how OP it is, I say, "Learn to adapt". If your group dies from a VD set that is your own fault.

That's kind of a silly statement due to how many pvp'ers are using the set. You're gonna die to it constantly, just due to the shear number of people who have it. There is no, "spread out and take this keep." There is no, "spread out and fight this enemy zerg." As I said before, your choices before VD were as follows:
1.Spread out and die alone to the enemy zerg.
2.Bunch up and fight them with your zerg. The ol, "if you can't beat em join em."
3.Maybe take on a medium to large group with your small to medium sized group of skilled pvpers.

With the introduction of VD, option 3 is all but gone, while 1 and 2 remain the same. You could also add in the random headache of your small, non-zerg group getting cheesed through and wiped by one random nb. I guess I wouldn't go as far as saying it's totally op, but it has done absolutely nothing positive for the pvp scene in Cyro. Joining the zerg and fighting the other zerg with your own VD set, is still the best option.

Zheg · April 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

To all of the people who keep saying "I don't have it yet, but I love it!", pretty much every regular pvper that wants to run this set has acquired it by now, so all I can do is assume that you don't play in pvp very often. It has not forced people to spread out, stop spreading that garbage talking point. In the TG patch people are stacking up even more and bringing double or triple the numbers you'd commonly see on the last patch.

It has not forced people to spread out, but it sure has made people come here and cry about how OP it is.

For the ones that are spreading garbage about how OP it is, I say, "Learn to adapt". If your group dies from a VD set that is your own fault.

It's our own fault when fighting 3+ times our numbers and being permarooted by bombard spammers that when a nb suicide bombs in and is able to kill a few - enough to tip the scales in favor of the already higher numbers, we get overwhelmed? Sounds legit. You must be on dat wrobel logic spec.

Few complain about it being OP, most complain about it being a lazy fix to an issue every sane pvper wanted addressed. Most complain about how it ended up like prox det and is being used by and favors bigger numbers. Most complain about people who have little foresight into the realities of the pvp meta parroting a stupid line about how it 'spreads the zergs out' when it does no such thing.

Good players have indeed adapted to it, that doesn't mean they don't still have to deal with it, and it certainly doesn't mean they can't realize the numbers are overtuned and is broken when combined with nb burst.

If I could only have one thing changed it'd be the permaroot/snare meta, VD is just a nuisance. Don't expect me to agree with asinine statements about how the set is balanced or a good thing though.

Preyfar · April 2016

I like the concept of VD, but I find that I need to fear my allies more than I do the enemy. It's made taking resources and keeps nightmarish at times. Less anti-zerg, more anti-capture.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

Forums complains about FOTM Builds and how theyre ruining PvP. Everyone gets ahold of a FOTM Set that supposedly kills Zergs and suddenly everyone loves them some FOTM.

Sleep · April 2016

I have never seen any zerg destroyed by vd. But I have seen many pug groups destroyed by a single vd.

Sharakor · April 2016

its okay magicka builds will be crying once the new reverse slash morph is out

psychotic13 · April 2016

Yeah I like vicious death, but people are going to moan, they always do when they get killed by something before they even realised what was happening.

I've got 5pc myself, haven't tried it yet though cause cause I've got 2jewelry not 3 and I don't want to have the extra armor piece mess my other set bonuses up.

Has it stopped proc'ing before they've killed an enemy though? I haven't really noticed it the last few days not sure if it was patched in the update Tuesday? I may be wrong and just haven't bumped into anyone with it in that time.

ArcanusMagus · April 2016

I put together the set within the last few days and love it - it's hilarious. Frankly, I'm not sure that I'll be keeping it, though. I prefer to run as cc support with a little aoe (sorc) and I'm just not set up for big burst damage like I used to be so VD isn't optimal for my playstyle.

I have seen VD's effect on alot of group play in Cyrodiil and I love the results. Since VD's range isn't that big, it's only killing big zergball groups. It broke the old meta of stacking as tightly as possible and following a crown around and I suspect that's where the anger directed at VD is coming from. I think that meta was ridiculous and needed to change. You don't have to be on top of each other to play as a group. This is just a time to adapt.

Burning_Talons · April 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

VD allowed all the scrubs who couldn't use or make a build viable.

We have scrubs on XB1 NA who before couldn't face more than 2 people then became emperor for 2 days straight because him n his group runs VD and camps around charging in with soul tether proxi dets.

Those oTREES looking pretty healthy @MaxwellCrystal

Morbash · April 2016

[FTC] Dominion Honor Guard (+13) - 0:03 - 567,637 Damage (195,467.29 DPS)

dodgehopper_ESO · April 2016

hrothbern wrote: »

CasNation wrote: »

My only problem with it is that it is just as effective against a group of 2 as it is against a group of 20. Proxy at least scales with the number of people but VD is a little too effective versus small groups.

Proxi is effective at too many people close to each other

VD is effective for any amount of people too close to each other AND having one player between them with a too small effective health pool.

I think VD is a great set

EDIT:
BTW the removal of being able to reflect Meteor, being an effective trigger for VD, was a nice move of ZOS as well, in their package against zergs (and as I believe also against too squishi players)

The removal of reflecting Meteor was an unnecessary nerf to Defensive Posture, Reflective Scales, and the already crappy Eclipse. The removal of the ability to reflect a reflect made Eclipse even more worthless than it already was.

In my view though, they should have never made Reflects a 100% success rate. I very early on figured out in Morrowind that if I could enchant or at least Enchant+cast 100% reflect rate, that I could mow down any den of mages in a heartbeat. I think they could have done fine with these reflect skills to remove the # of reflects, and replace them with a reflect chance. That would have been the most fun, and balanced approach for all concerned.

laksikus · April 2016

Egonieser wrote: »

I have 3 magicka chars - I have their normal sets I use for 1 vs 1/X and then each one has a specially tailored VD build to bust some AD chops in EU Azura.
Is it very skilled? No. But neither is a poplocked AD megazerg (incl emperor) jumping on a few remaining other faction members so it is totally deserved and justified and doesn't make me feel guilty whatsoever, I even do a little /bow after I've wiped a group.
In Trueflame I never use this set because fights are equal and more or less fair.

haha
exact same thing with me. i have m staff and julianos gear for normal pvp and VD sets for kill all or die situations. max spelldamage no regen xD

magictucktuck · April 2016

If no one liked it people would not be whining on the forums cuz no one would be using it.

hrothbern · April 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

CasNation wrote: »

My only problem with it is that it is just as effective against a group of 2 as it is against a group of 20. Proxy at least scales with the number of people but VD is a little too effective versus small groups.

Proxi is effective at too many people close to each other

VD is effective for any amount of people too close to each other AND having one player between them with a too small effective health pool.

I think VD is a great set

EDIT:
BTW the removal of being able to reflect Meteor, being an effective trigger for VD, was a nice move of ZOS as well, in their package against zergs (and as I believe also against too squishi players)

The removal of reflecting Meteor was an unnecessary nerf to Defensive Posture, Reflective Scales, and the already crappy Eclipse. The removal of the ability to reflect a reflect made Eclipse even more worthless than it already was.

In my view though, they should have never made Reflects a 100% success rate. I very early on figured out in Morrowind that if I could enchant or at least Enchant+cast 100% reflect rate, that I could mow down any den of mages in a heartbeat. I think they could have done fine with these reflect skills to remove the # of reflects, and replace them with a reflect chance. That would have been the most fun, and balanced approach for all concerned.

I think they could have done fine with these reflect skills to remove the # of reflects, and replace them with a reflect chance.

I agree, a reflect chance is a nice suggestion indeed !

Brrrofski · April 2016

As a small group player, the only way to stand a chance against is a bigger group is to stay tight.

The set punishes small groups as much as zergs.

So for that reason, no, I don't like it. I think it was a terrible idea.

psychotic13 · April 2016

When will people stop moaning about meteor, it's the easiest thing to dodge. If you get hit by it all the time boo *** hoo doesn't mean it should be reflectable.

Callous2208 · April 2016

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

I put together the set within the last few days and love it - it's hilarious. Frankly, I'm not sure that I'll be keeping it, though. I prefer to run as cc support with a little aoe (sorc) and I'm just not set up for big burst damage like I used to be so VD isn't optimal for my playstyle.

I have seen VD's effect on alot of group play in Cyrodiil and I love the results. Since VD's range isn't that big, it's only killing big zergball groups. It broke the old meta of stacking as tightly as possible and following a crown around and I suspect that's where the anger directed at VD is coming from. I think that meta was ridiculous and needed to change. You don't have to be on top of each other to play as a group. This is just a time to adapt.

I don't know where you pvp, but that meta has not changed, only gotten worse. VD Is doing nothing to wipe or discourage zergball groups. Small groups are the most affected by VD. So now the meta is VD up, zerg up, and hope you outlast the enemy zerg. I suspect those haralding this as a welcome zerg buster, are not pvping and simply basing their assumption on what they were told the set was supposed to do.

Kalante · April 2016

Wow. You know people have gone mad when they validate VD and magicka det as something fair. Yeah it's totally normal and fair for solo players to face someone that has the ability to destroy six man groups. It is tottally normal that these things do more damage than an ultimate. Totally normal. This thread just shows people's inability to take into account other types of play styles with out undermining them too much. You know something called...balance? The only way to achieve a fair agreement is to also give these abilities to stamina. Sounds about fair. Who would disagree? if magicka can why not stamina also? since apparently here the positive feedback it seems that vd and magicka det are valid to use.

let's face it. Who here sees multiple people using a magicka det stacked with shields up the *** and get second thoughts in fighting that fight? and when you see a stamina group with no shields, no magicka det... you haul ass and fight them. Easy AP. That's when you know the balance in this game is terrible.

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

Kalante wrote: »

Wow. You know people have gone mad when they validate VD and magicka det as something fair. Yeah it's totally normal and fair for solo players to face someone that has the ability to destroy six man groups. It is tottally normal that these things do more damage than an ultimate. Totally normal. This thread just shows people's inability to take into account other types of play styles with out undermining them too much. You know something called...balance? The only way to achieve a fair agreement is to also give these abilities to stamina. Sounds about fair. Who would disagree? if magicka can why not stamina also? since apparently here it seems that vd and magicka det are valid to use.

Don't they plan on doing that with some sort of Slash execute next patch? (I don't really know, but I've read people mentioning it here on the forums. I don't have time to watch the ESO Live thang).

magnusthorek · April 2016

My only issue with it is that the 5pc effect only triggers if you are the one responsible for the killing blow. If you take out 99% of someone's HP and your team mate finishes the job, it won't proc. IMHO, the 5pc effect should be proportional to how much damage you inflicted

Kalante · April 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Wow. You know people have gone mad when they validate VD and magicka det as something fair. Yeah it's totally normal and fair for solo players to face someone that has the ability to destroy six man groups. It is tottally normal that these things do more damage than an ultimate. Totally normal. This thread just shows people's inability to take into account other types of play styles with out undermining them too much. You know something called...balance? The only way to achieve a fair agreement is to also give these abilities to stamina. Sounds about fair. Who would disagree? if magicka can why not stamina also? since apparently here it seems that vd and magicka det are valid to use.

Don't they plan on doing that with some sort of Slash execute next patch? (I don't really know, but I've read people mentioning it here on the forums. I don't have time to watch the ESO Live thang).

Yeah which all stamina players laughed at. Some people that were stamina only have lost interest in the game if that's what we are only getting in dark brotherhood.

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

I suppose no one has considered the fact that VD provides a bit of "risk" to PvP to encourage trying to survive? No? Ok then carry on.

psychotic13 · April 2016

Kalante wrote: »

Wow. You know people have gone mad when they validate VD and magicka det as something fair. Yeah it's totally normal and fair for solo players to face someone that has the ability to destroy six man groups. It is tottally normal that these things do more damage than an ultimate. Totally normal. This thread just shows people's inability to take into account other types of play styles with out undermining them too much. You know something called...balance? The only way to achieve a fair agreement is to also give these abilities to stamina. Sounds about fair. Who would disagree? if magicka can why not stamina also? since apparently here the positive feedback it seems that vd and magicka det are valid to use.

let's face it. Who here sees multiple people using a magicka det stacked with shields up the *** and get second thoughts in fighting that fight? and when you see a stamina group with no shields, no magicka det... you haul ass and fight them. Easy AP. That's when you know the balance in this game is terrible.

I'm all for the VD set, but I agree there should be a stamina counterpart, the current bonuses are:

(2 Items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(3 Items) Adds 967 Maximum Magicka
(4 Items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
When you kill a player they violently explode for 14895 Flame Damage

If they made this set drop in light and medium, and make the both spell damage and critical buffs apply to weapon damage/critical aswell (like molag kena/clever alchemist give bonuses to both) then this set wouldn't be complained about so much as it will be viable for anyone.

As for proxy det this can apply to stamina builds too, the initial hit will obviously do less damage because it scales from Magicka, but most of the damage comes from the bonuses of each person hit when taking out zergs.

Most users of VD are nbs, and they'll jump in with proxy det and soul tether, this still could be achieved with a stamina build, I'd actually love to see someone dragon leap with proxy det and VD, would look so cool.