Am I the only person who LIKES Vicious Death?

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

And before you run to the meme generator or type your smarmy half-funny retort, realize I am speaking from the perspective of someone who does not use Vicious Death set. I have been killed by it many times.

But here is my point: I was in IC in a red buff server (I'm DC), and our platform in the Arena was surrounded by reds. I'm an archer, so I naturally stayed up top to pick people off and gets some easy AP until they backed off a little so I could jump down. Me and 12 other people. A recipe for...well...Vicious Death. I had not seen it used yet.

So after a few fantastic explosions that killed nearly everyone on the platform instantly, I thought...hmm....maybe I should move away from the group and maybe even jump down or find another spot.

Vicious Death is a damn good zerg-breaker. And I like that. It made me change my game, and yes, I've been hit by it many times since then. But that's no different than all then other times I've died in IC. The set works well for what it seems to be intended. And I don't care if I'm on the receiving end. I just have to alter how I play and keep my distance from large groups.

Am I missing something? Why are people whining for this set to be nerfed? It works well.

hydrocynus · April 2016

I agree. I don't have it but a really do appreciate what it is designed to do. Stop the big zergs and make people think how they play. I hope it stays forever.

Tormy · April 2016

I would like it if it scaled the damage with the amount of people in the area. Shouldn't be able to wipe a group of 4 IMO

Necrelios · April 2016

I love seeing this set in action. People are catching on. It will take some time and changing of habits but eventually they'll learn not to ball up. Those narrow hallways in the sewers are a great spot for an ambush though because everyone stacks in there.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

So just to clarify you:
1. Agree VD is a Zerg buster
2. Encountered its effectiveness in IC, notably in the Arena where group play is encouraged
3. Had to change your archetype Archer-type playstyle to move away from teammates as a direct result of VD.

And you're happy with that?

timidobserver · April 2016

I am okay with it, but I don't like that it is significantly stronger on a NB than any other class.

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

So just to clarify you:
1. Agree VD is a Zerg buster
2. Encountered its effectiveness in IC, notably in the Arena where group play is encouraged
3. Had to change your archetype Archer-type playstyle to move away from teammates as a direct result of VD.

And you're happy with that?

Yup. Why wouldn't I be?

Ayalaya · April 2016

So you can say that since Vicious Death and proxy kills zergs they kill lag?

MaxwellC · April 2016

VD allowed all the scrubs who couldn't use or make a build viable.

We have scrubs on XB1 NA who before couldn't face more than 2 people then became emperor for 2 days straight because him n his group runs VD and camps around charging in with soul tether proxi dets.

CasNation · April 2016

My only problem with it is that it is just as effective against a group of 2 as it is against a group of 20. Proxy at least scales with the number of people but VD is a little too effective versus small groups.

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

Scrub? Is that an new class in the game, or are you just using an outdated word in a poor attempt to be dismissive and make an ineffective argument?

Well done, my friend. No bitterness there.

vamp_emily · April 2016

FINALLY, people who think like me.

I've never used VD ( yet ), but It should wipe out a group of players. The message they should receive from VD is "Spread out or die".

Callous2208 · April 2016

Eh, it's not really the awesome and noble zerg buster you make it out to be. It has it's moments but now that EVERYONE and their brother is using it, it's just a way for the zergs to wipe groups of 4 or so faster without trying as hard. It's also the go-to no effort gank set-up for nb's. If anything it's done more to hurt small group play. Sure, you can spread out to avoid it...then get rolled by a zerg alone and defenseless. I suppose it's not as bad in IC though due to the geography of the maps there.

Nightenhowl · April 2016

My only problem is seeing it on my recap when I am not near anyone.

Callous2208 · April 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

FINALLY, people who think like me.

I've never used VD ( yet ), but It should wipe out a group of players. The message they should receive from VD is "Spread out or die".

But in Cyrodiil it is and always has been, "Spread out and die." This set has not changed that. Spread out, get rolled, stay close, get blown up by VD. These are your choices.

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Eh, it's not really the awesome and noble zerg buster you make it out to be. It has it's moments but now that EVERYONE and their brother is using it, it's just a way for the zergs to wipe groups of 4 or so faster without trying as hard. It's also the go-to no effort gank set-up for nb's. If anything it's done more to hurt small group play. Sure, you can spread out to avoid it...then get rolled by a zerg alone and defenseless. I suppose it's not as bad in IC though due to the geography of the maps there.

Well I haven't seen it in action up top in Cyro. So I can see your point. I stay away from Captain Cyro (aka LagMaster Flash)

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

So just to clarify you:
1. Agree VD is a Zerg buster
2. Encountered its effectiveness in IC, notably in the Arena where group play is encouraged
3. Had to change your archetype Archer-type playstyle to move away from teammates as a direct result of VD.

And you're happy with that?

Yup. Why wouldn't I be?

Well, only you can suggest reasons why you possibly wouldn't be happy with it. So I'll explain why I'm not happy with it:

The reason for it coming in to the game was a cheap way to reduce lag via breaking down Zergs in Cyrodil (which hasn't happened on my campaigns, btw) not to limit groups in the Arena - where again - the game-type encourages this.

So the use of it in the Arena is just a knock-on effect and does nothing for the game or anyone other than let the users practice for Cyrodil and give them easy AP as people still bunch up. It could be even be counteracting the [supposedly] reduced lag somewhat because it means multiple people are constantly dying and reloading at the same time.

It's also reduced actual skilled XvX combat and the type of strategic play that I liked about the Arena. All it is now is multiple people shuffle-buffing and dodgerolling in to a group before using Soul Tether > Proxi > Meteor > Sap Essence spam.

So making the Arena less enjoyable purely because they wanted to plaster/bandaid-fix Cyrodil (which I'm yet to see any benefit from) is my issue with VD.

Edit:
As someone else has mentioned and which I neglected to: it has actually led to Zerg VD v Zerg VD action and also Zerg VDs using it to take out smaller groups.

It's not working as intended.

Egonieser · April 2016

I have 3 magicka chars - I have their normal sets I use for 1 vs 1/X and then each one has a specially tailored VD build to bust some AD chops in EU Azura.
Is it very skilled? No. But neither is a poplocked AD megazerg (incl emperor) jumping on a few remaining other faction members so it is totally deserved and justified and doesn't make me feel guilty whatsoever, I even do a little /bow after I've wiped a group.
In Trueflame I never use this set because fights are equal and more or less fair.

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

I guess I did not mention the other positive point. Since I don't use the set, those reward pieces (esp rings) fetch an awful nice bit of gold since everyone wants them.

Callous2208 · April 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

I guess I did not mention the other positive point. Since I don't use the set, those reward pieces (esp rings) fetch an awful nice bit of gold since everyone wants them.

Haha, I'll agree with you on this point.

Xsorus · April 2016

I like it; I've died like one time to it since this patch.. Mainly because I don't stand inside globs of people

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

I guess I did not mention the other positive point. Since I don't use the set, those reward pieces (esp rings) fetch an awful nice bit of gold since everyone wants them.

That is the only benefit I can see

I have 7 pieces sitting in my mail that I should really sell sooner, rather than later.

hrothbern · April 2016

CasNation wrote: »

My only problem with it is that it is just as effective against a group of 2 as it is against a group of 20. Proxy at least scales with the number of people but VD is a little too effective versus small groups.

Proxi is effective at too many people close to each other

VD is effective for any amount of people too close to each other AND having one player between them with a too small effective health pool.

I think VD is a great set

EDIT:
BTW the removal of being able to reflect Meteor, being an effective trigger for VD, was a nice move of ZOS as well, in their package against zergs (and as I believe also against too squishi players)

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

Nightenhowl wrote: »

My only problem is seeing it on my recap when I am not near anyone.

Okay, now this is a point on which I need clarification. I have had this happen to me also....many times. I thought it was supposed to explode after you die. Does it explode to induce death? When does it go off?

VD can be very tricky. Maybe I should just go to the doc and get a shot to clear that s*** up.

DHale · April 2016

I love vicious death a small group can really wreck those ppl that "stack on crown". Love it my new shiny gold VD necklace looks beautiful as well.

Zheg · April 2016

To all of the people who keep saying "I don't have it yet, but I love it!", pretty much every regular pvper that wants to run this set has acquired it by now, so all I can do is assume that you don't play in pvp very often. It has not forced people to spread out, stop spreading that garbage talking point. In the TG patch people are stacking up even more and bringing double or triple the numbers you'd commonly see on the last patch.

In fact, typically I see VD being used against the smaller forces after they're already engaged with larger forces. Or, you get videos showing people like sypher using it to skillfully obliterate people repairing a wall. If you actually think that VD does anything to stop or even remotely discourage zerging, you're just as oblivious as wrobel is.

Serjustin19 · April 2016

I like vicious death. Even though it is so powerful. I usually get killed by it alot. I don't use it. But vicious death does around 11k damage. Usually always. But I keep on rearrange my champion points.

Now Vicious death does 5k damage instead. Least I think CP helped. I amalso a Vetran 8 Dragonknight. Who wears all heavy in PvP now also. Not sure if this helps or not. But wanted to give. an example.

I am not calling out a nerf. None at all. Since I am an enemy to some. If my enemies have Vicious Death. I want them to use it. I know it does help with zergs and groups. But also I am usually solo player. So I hardly get the Vicious Death treatment

I also must add. When Vicious Death first came out on PS4.

I was totally scared by Vicious Death. But I got use to it. Therefore I hope it stays longer. I also want to see other armor (stamina based) to counter Vicious Death. No offense. Thus ends my judgement about Vicious Death. Honest review. I give Vicious Death a 4 out of 5 stars

hydrocynus · April 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

FINALLY, people who think like me.

I've never used VD ( yet ), but It should wipe out a group of players. The message they should receive from VD is "Spread out or die".

But in Cyrodiil it is and always has been, "Spread out and die." This set has not changed that. Spread out, get rolled, stay close, get blown up by VD. These are your choices.

Ain't it cool!

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

Zheg wrote: »

To all of the people who keep saying "I don't have it yet, but I love it!", pretty much every regular pvper that wants to run this set has acquired it by now, so all I can do is assume that you don't play in pvp very often. It has not forced people to spread out, stop spreading that garbage talking point. In the TG patch people are stacking up even more and bringing double or triple the numbers you'd commonly see on the last patch.

In fact, typically I see VD being used against the smaller forces after they're already engaged with larger forces. Or, you get videos showing people like sypher using it to skillfully obliterate people repairing a wall. If you actually think that VD does anything to stop or even remotely discourage zerging, you're just as oblivious as wrobel is.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

To all of the people who keep saying "I don't have it yet, but I love it!", pretty much every regular pvper that wants to run this set has acquired it by now, so all I can do is assume that you don't play in pvp very often. It has not forced people to spread out, stop spreading that garbage talking point. In the TG patch people are stacking up even more and bringing double or triple the numbers you'd commonly see on the last patch.

In fact, typically I see VD being used against the smaller forces after they're already engaged with larger forces. Or, you get videos showing people like sypher using it to skillfully obliterate people repairing a wall. If you actually think that VD does anything to stop or even remotely discourage zerging, you're just as oblivious as wrobel is.

You mock but he's 100% correct in everything that he's said.

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

You mock but he's 100% correct in everything that he's said.

I never questioned the validity of the opinion, just the approach.