Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Your wrong about that video, played PvP the last few days for like 8 to 10 hours straight each day and its pretty close to that video, only difference is you move around a lot more then in that one scene in the video when they are standing there fighting each other.
Only problem I had was long loading screen at peak hours. Which is quite annoying for sure. Plus the game crashed maybe 2 times each day.
This was vet non CP campaign.
flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Your wrong about that video, played PvP the last few days for like 8 to 10 straight each day and its pretty close to that video, only difference is you move around a lot more then in that one scene in the video when they are standing there fighting each other.
Only problem I had was long loading screen at peak hours. Which is quite annoying for sure. Plus the game crashed maybe 2 times each day.
This was vet non CP campaign.
Not sure what platform you are on, but i am on PS4 and PVP has been unplayable for me since TG. My animations dont show half the time, weapon swap is horrible and insane lag. I also played PC launch and the game ran 100 times better then it does now.
WillhelmBlack wrote: »My personal feelings about Fengrush aside (I'm not a fan, to say the least, and I'm also a DC PVP player), he does make some good points, and, if you watch the whole video, you really wouldn't have anything negative to say about it.
I do disagree though that the time to fix PVP is over. I just think it's been passed off for other, more revenue increasing areas. I think if they took a good look at it, there are things they could do to fix it. Here are my suggestions: Put Cyrodiil and it's instances in a separate server area. Remove all crafting nodes from Cyrodiil ... no one goes to Cyrodiil to farm mats anyway, unless you enjoy being ganked repeatedly. This will remove the incentive for bot farming. Use the game launch net code for the Cyrodiil instances.
This just seems to be one way that we could have our cake and eat it too.
PVP in this game is pretty fun, but, the only other games I've done any PVP in are Eve Online and Life is Feudal. And I sucked much worse at those than I do at this one. Still, there are active guilds who PVP every night, so I would think there would be at least some incentive to keeping them happy. As it is, the lag gets old, the framerate gets old ... It's really just not as much fun as it could be. It's still better than most though.
This. And make PvP subscription only, it would pay for itself and keep it maintained and up to date. No PvP'ers buy fluff so it makes sense plus everyone would pay it and many would come back to the game if they knew the lag had gone.
Waffennacht wrote: »@Moglijuana yes the performance is fine for me, almost zero lag when I play, yes console only (obv)
Um was that video on TV? Cuz the only advertising I have to deal with are on TV
WalkingLegacy wrote: »I have nothing against Fengrush but isn't it possible if we cared enough we would go to his stream or channel to get this? Why do his followers keep pushing these in the ESO forums?
I appreciate them posting his videos because I don't visit YouTube for same reason I don't visit imgur on my own free will. I'll wake up from a stupor and realize I just wasted 5 hours of my life browsing videos and pictures.
Plus I really enjoyed his TG review. It resonated the same feeling I have.
Like I said I have nothing against him or his videos. But what I've seen from people who consider him (Lord Fengrush) they are usually angry and disruptive, they get very combative when others don't agree. Several threads were closed due to this.
I agree with some of what he says but don't agree with the mass who follow him trying to combat players who don't share the same view as them.
WillhelmBlack wrote: »My personal feelings about Fengrush aside (I'm not a fan, to say the least, and I'm also a DC PVP player), he does make some good points, and, if you watch the whole video, you really wouldn't have anything negative to say about it.
I do disagree though that the time to fix PVP is over. I just think it's been passed off for other, more revenue increasing areas. I think if they took a good look at it, there are things they could do to fix it. Here are my suggestions: Put Cyrodiil and it's instances in a separate server area. Remove all crafting nodes from Cyrodiil ... no one goes to Cyrodiil to farm mats anyway, unless you enjoy being ganked repeatedly. This will remove the incentive for bot farming. Use the game launch net code for the Cyrodiil instances.
This just seems to be one way that we could have our cake and eat it too.
PVP in this game is pretty fun, but, the only other games I've done any PVP in are Eve Online and Life is Feudal. And I sucked much worse at those than I do at this one. Still, there are active guilds who PVP every night, so I would think there would be at least some incentive to keeping them happy. As it is, the lag gets old, the framerate gets old ... It's really just not as much fun as it could be. It's still better than most though.
This. And make PvP subscription only, it would pay for itself and keep it maintained and up to date. No PvP'ers buy fluff so it makes sense plus everyone would pay it and many would come back to the game if they knew the lag had gone.
I like that. Only Plus players can enter Cyrodiil, at least at V levels.
I make this video and I show these things for a reason. A lot of people responding to my videos, they don't know the backstory of this game. They don't know how it went from something functional to something that got drastically changed; and when they made this change, they refused to roll it back. They said "It's more important to get rid of the bots, then have a functional Cyrodiil." And at the time, there were thousands. Thousands and thousands of people in Cyrodiil. It was huge! They would have like seven servers that held three times the population than they do today. Today, the servers hold maybe a third of the population of what they used to - and they run terribly. You could have 100v100v100 at one keep and it wasn't breaking. The game ran fluidly, it was an epic siege. That's the game they built. It's gone. They cant bring it back. There is no amount of changes that can bring it back. So the game they spent years developing, in one patch, they got rid of it - because of bad press.
Moglijuana wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Your wrong about that video, played PvP the last few days for like 8 to 10 hours straight each day and its pretty close to that video, only difference is you move around a lot more then in that one scene in the video when they are standing there fighting each other.
Only problem I had was long loading screen at peak hours. Which is quite annoying for sure. Plus the game crashed maybe 2 times each day.
This was vet non CP campaign.
The argument wasn't if PvP was like that video or not. It's if ESO advertised big PvP fights as a main feature. It Did. Look Up.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »They have already said PVP will stay in cyrodill. DB is in kvatch which is on the gold coast. Thats not part of the ESO cyrodill map. So I dont know exactly who we will be killing but it wont be other players.
Correct. But you could still add certain things to Cyrodiil, e.g. something besides capturing the same keep over and over again. Things like Fengrush mentioned in the video sound interesting. It doesn't have to be a new map but new modes within the already existing (and frankly freaking huge) area.
I agree with @FENGRUSH entirely. I do think most new players dont have a clue what pvp used to be like or how awesome it used to be. I remember spending like 4 or 5 hours defending keeps with a tiny group of half ass pugs and some forwards camps with 3 walls down against wave after wave of zerging onslaught. That *** just doesn't happen anymore.
.
Moglijuana wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Your wrong about that video, played PvP the last few days for like 8 to 10 hours straight each day and its pretty close to that video, only difference is you move around a lot more then in that one scene in the video when they are standing there fighting each other.
Only problem I had was long loading screen at peak hours. Which is quite annoying for sure. Plus the game crashed maybe 2 times each day.
This was vet non CP campaign.
The argument wasn't if PvP was like that video or not. It's if ESO advertised big PvP fights as a main feature. It Did. Look Up.
Dont need too, this is the Video that got me into ESO looks like mostly PvE. I didnt think Molug Bal is a real person... so thats PvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9fCA3dmGc
WillhelmBlack wrote: »This. And make PvP subscription only, it would pay for itself and keep it maintained and up to date. No PvP'ers buy fluff so it makes sense plus everyone would pay it and many would come back to the game if they knew the lag had gone.
I like that. Only Plus players can enter Cyrodiil, at least at V levels Make that veteran instances. An alt on a plus player should be able to enter a campaign besides BWB that his or her guildies are playing on.
I agree with @FENGRUSH entirely. I do think most new players dont have a clue what pvp used to be like or how awesome it used to be. I remember spending like 4 or 5 hours defending keeps with a tiny group of half ass pugs and some forwards camps with 3 walls down against wave after wave of zerging onslaught. That *** just doesn't happen anymore.
.
Not really trying to start a fight here, but I also remember streamers bitching about how they don't want to spend 4 or 5 hours defending keeps anymore, they want Arenas. and complaining about zergs this, and zergs that and how pvp wasn't fun because zerg zerg zerg.
I remember people trying to hijack a twitch stream spamming "WE WANT ARENAS NOW" over and over again.
so why are we being all nostalgic about large-scale pvp all of a sudden?
weren't people JUST complaining about large-scale pvp?
what am I missing here?
WillhelmBlack wrote: »
PVP is a central part of ESO - for many of us it is the only reason we play. Locking it behind subscription paywall is comparable to making the entire game subscription only.
In my case, I was glad to hear the announcement of Tamriel Unlimited, because it meant lots more people will participate in PVP. Many will come because they like Elder Scrolls, but once they try PVP they get hooked on it - that's what happened to me. The more the better.
A tiny population in Cyrodiil might have less lag, but it's extremely boring. Who wants to play on a dead campaign where you go around trying to flag keeps to get people to come out? It was more fun at launch when there were battles all over the map, in the towns, in the
I'd rather see ESO on sale via Steam for $4.99 or so, maybe even Humble Bundle - get lots more people playing.
There are a lot of people who would never in a million years spend money to subscribe to any game, but once they are playing, provided they have a fun experience, they will spend money in the crown store for name change, race change, appearance change, DLC that appeals to their interest, etc.
Look how much people spend on hats for TF2 or weapon skins for CS:GO. The barrier to entry is low (game is free or often below $10), and the gameplay is fun, so the population and community grow quickly.
Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Is that a GUN at 0:36 ?!
Moglijuana wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Your wrong about that video, played PvP the last few days for like 8 to 10 hours straight each day and its pretty close to that video, only difference is you move around a lot more then in that one scene in the video when they are standing there fighting each other.
Only problem I had was long loading screen at peak hours. Which is quite annoying for sure. Plus the game crashed maybe 2 times each day.
This was vet non CP campaign.
The argument wasn't if PvP was like that video or not. It's if ESO advertised big PvP fights as a main feature. It Did. Look Up.
Dont need too, this is the Video that got me into ESO looks like mostly PvE. I didnt think Molug Bal is a real person... so thats PvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9fCA3dmGc
The discussion isn't about what advertisement got you into the game. It's about whether PvP was advertised as being a main feature of the game, and it's a fact that it was. Just because you got into the game for one advertisement doesn't make all of the others invalid.
Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Is that a GUN at 0:36 ?!
I agree with @FENGRUSH entirely. I do think most new players dont have a clue what pvp used to be like or how awesome it used to be. I remember spending like 4 or 5 hours defending keeps with a tiny group of half ass pugs and some forwards camps with 3 walls down against wave after wave of zerging onslaught. That *** just doesn't happen anymore.
.
Not really trying to start a fight here, but I also remember streamers bitching about how they don't want to spend 4 or 5 hours defending keeps anymore, they want Arenas. and complaining about zergs this, and zergs that and how pvp wasn't fun because zerg zerg zerg. and calling Cyrodiil a "horse simulator" and other such nonsense.
I remember people trying to hijack a twitch stream spamming "WE WANT ARENAS NOW" over and over again.
so why are we being all nostalgic about large-scale pvp all of a sudden?
weren't people JUST complaining about large-scale pvp?
what am I missing here?
IcyDeadPeople wrote: »
PVP is a central part of ESO - for many of us it is the only reason we play. Locking it behind subscription would be comparable to making the entire game subscription only.
A tiny population in Cyrodiil might have less lag, but it's extremely boring. Who wants to play on a dead campaign where you go around trying to flag keeps to get people to come out? It was more fun at launch when there were battles all over the map, in the towns, in the delves. You couldn't go anywhere without stumbling across random small battles.
In my case, I was glad to hear the announcement of Tamriel Unlimited, because it meant lots more people will participate in PVP. The more players the better, IMO. Many will come because they are Elder Scrolls fans, but once they try this PVP combat system they get hooked on it - that's what happened to me.
I'd rather see ESO on sale via Steam for $4.99 or so, maybe even Humble Bundle - get lots more people playing. If it were that cheap, quite a few existing players would even buy extra copies to gift to their friends on Steam, etc.
There are a lot of people who would simply never spend money to subscribe to any game, but once they are playing, provided they have a fun experience, they will spend money in the crown store for name change, race change, appearance change, DLC that appeals to their interest, etc.
Look how much people spend on hats for TF2 or weapon skins for CS:GO. When the barrier to entry is low (game is free or often below $10), and the gameplay is fun, the population and community grow quickly. I wish it was buy to play from launch, we might have ended up with a much bigger long term population.
On the one hand, I don't disagree with you in spirit: The more players the better. However, when it comes to lag, that's sadly not the case. I would rather see a sparsely populated Cyrodiil than to have to deal with lag. Honestly, I think they should triple the number of campaigns in order to cut down on lag. The fact of the matter is that the current combination of code and technology just can't handle large scale PvP, and that isn't going to be fixed.
Sure, it would be great if you could have 1000 players from each faction battling it out in a lag-free Cyrodiil. But it ain't gonna happen, at least not any time soon. So why not try to mitigate the issue in the mean time, using whatever means can be implemented without much development time for ZOS so that they can justify doing it and not loose out on the cash making side of the business?
Moglijuana wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »LoL @ everyone complaining about a video of someones opinion (even if they are right). Do any of these anti PvPers realize there are FAR better PvE games...LOL. Oh wait...they're on these forums patrolling the waters of peoples opinions and must speak up to show they can kill tons of A.I. controlled monsters who give little to no challenge . Go play Dark souls or something and lmk how your "monster hunter" title fairs in there. The advertisement of PvP battles was a MAIN FEATURE when ESO was being released. It is very unique and offers one of the best (definitely the best on console) group PvP possible. If some of these people pulled their cheeto peppered, carpal tunneled, sun deprived fingers out of their opinionated booty holes, these discussions would move in a better direction. But nah, someone has to defend their Stormproof title or something and never watch the posted video and just complain about someone complaining .
All I remember is a cinematic short film for ESO advertising. Not once did I see anything that had, gameplay footage, or a description, or anything other than clearly an impossibly good looking film
Like all games, nothing looks like the advertising
You know - theres a lot of trailers for it. You dont have to look hard. Ill grab you one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rVLW3ZsKg
That game in that video doesnt exist today. It doesnt work if you tried to play the game in that video.
Did you ever play this game on PC? Or are you xbox only? If so - the part of the video directed towards console-only players should resonate a bit more with you.
I followed this game for years, and a lot of PC/console players did. Also - pointing out these issues dont exist on console really isnt accurate. The biggest xbox streamer agrees that performance is hindered in a big way, and many players from console have messaged and commented how they experience these issues as well. Discussion is welcome - denial is embarrassing.
Your wrong about that video, played PvP the last few days for like 8 to 10 hours straight each day and its pretty close to that video, only difference is you move around a lot more then in that one scene in the video when they are standing there fighting each other.
Only problem I had was long loading screen at peak hours. Which is quite annoying for sure. Plus the game crashed maybe 2 times each day.
This was vet non CP campaign.
The argument wasn't if PvP was like that video or not. It's if ESO advertised big PvP fights as a main feature. It Did. Look Up.
Dont need too, this is the Video that got me into ESO looks like mostly PvE. I didnt think Molug Bal is a real person... so thats PvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9fCA3dmGc
The discussion isn't about what advertisement got you into the game. It's about whether PvP was advertised as being a main feature of the game, and it's a fact that it was. Just because you got into the game for one advertisement doesn't make all of the others invalid.
Well thats what that other guy was trying to say lol, for me though if it had of been only advertised as PvP I would not have started playing/ bought the game in the first place. It was advertised as a "MMO" Not PvP only.
Gothlander wrote: »"You could have 100v100v100 at one keep and it wasn't breaking. The game ran fluidly, it was an epic siege. That's the game they built. It's gone. They cant bring it back. There is no amount of changes that can bring it back."
Can someone explain why they can't make 100v100v100 happen again?
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Gothlander wrote: »"You could have 100v100v100 at one keep and it wasn't breaking. The game ran fluidly, it was an epic siege. That's the game they built. It's gone. They cant bring it back. There is no amount of changes that can bring it back."
Can someone explain why they can't make 100v100v100 happen again?
It's not that they can't. It's that they won't. The netcode is drastically different now. ZOS has no interest in repairing the damage they did to PvP by reverting the game back 2 years worth of bad patches. Their business model relies on PvE, selling XP, and crown store cosmetic items.