Seems good to me. Gives folks who have terrible luck with RNG or trouble getting a group the chance to have these items, but giving them an OK but not great trait means you still have to do the Undaunted content as intended to get absolute BIS gear.

Fat_Cat45 wrote: »

If the traits were more diverse than Infused, then I would. At the moment, no, I don't like it.

Let's assume they offer each piece in every trait as well. You will still have to wait about 20 weeks for a full rotation for that undaunted helm or shoulder to appear again.

Would you rather have Training, Ornate, Sturdy, Exploration, Reinforced or Well Fitted instead?

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

The idea is nice, but...
1)Prices are too low, best sets that cost less than Akaviri motif? Really?
and
2)Instead of gold, there should be "pve currency" option. Like tokens for participating in Pve activities like dungeons and trials. This way, you'd still need to earn it, but it would ease rng struggles.

Couldn't we make the argument that the Akaviri motif is priced too high? They're just motifs, they're no better as far as stats go... it's just an aesthetic option, so it's hard to really compare the two.

The "PVE currency" is the gold option. Doing PVE will get you all sorts of extra equipment that can be sold or broken down and the mats sold, if it doesnt already give you the better version of the monster set you need.

yes.

PS this should have been a poll.

Well considering these monster gear sets are bound on pickup therefore untradable, and whose acquisition is equivalent to tossing 50 coins hoping to get 50 heads making them depend on your real life luck (a stat you can't improve no matter what you do) I say it's a pretty good thing to do.

The pricing it's alright as it is, any cheaper would make them too common and as it is about 75% players I see have a monster set. Any more expensive would be too much, and make obtaining it from dungeons more ideal. So to me it's pretty well balanced.

To expound on my previous statement I like it a lot as is. Take last week's vicious death rings for example.

1) Limited time only of 48 hours means that plenty were bought but the resale market was not flooded.

2) The cheapest ones I saw all week on XBox were 40k (I bought them both) and they seem to be available now for about 60k. If they were still purchaseable now the price would have bottomed out to vendor trash prices.

3) I bet that if they are not available again any time soon we will see them be worth upwards of 80 to 100k, which happens to be their vendor selling price.

Economically speaking I think Zos priced these things right.

I find them to cheap, you gain AP so fast. But I accedently bought several pieces with gold, which sucks...

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

The idea is nice, but...
1)Prices are too low, best sets that cost less than Akaviri motif? Really?
and
2)Instead of gold, there should be "pve currency" option. Like tokens for participating in Pve activities like dungeons and trials. This way, you'd still need to earn it, but it would ease rng struggles.

Couldn't we make the argument that the Akaviri motif is priced too high? They're just motifs, they're no better as far as stats go... it's just an aesthetic option, so it's hard to really compare the two.

The "PVE currency" is the gold option. Doing PVE will get you all sorts of extra equipment that can be sold or broken down and the mats sold, if it doesnt already give you the better version of the monster set you need.

Why is it "too high"? Thing is, many pvpers have millions of ap collecting digital dust on theit chars so there should be some sort of "ap sink". We have siege and forward camps, of course, but also pvpers need gold for potions and gear/upgrades. Buying motifs for sale is a legit way to convert ap to gold, and imo its good.
Also, as I said, gold is not "pve currency", its a common currency. Pvpers also use it. And token system is more fair because you wouldnt be able to get dungeon gear without actually doing dungeons. Or, as alternative, playing pvp.

You get more gold playing pve then pvp. Therefore the Pve'rs will have more gold because they have more things to sell etc...

That was the logic zos was going for.

200k is easy enough to get for most pvpers. However zos has pointed out the average amount of ap earned a day is 10k... (which we all know is complete B.......) 10k = 5 kills, therefore people count as pvper's and not outliers if then get 5 kills a day... a quarter of a daily bounty.

The logic though it baffles me.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

The idea is nice, but...
1)Prices are too low, best sets that cost less than Akaviri motif? Really?
and
2)Instead of gold, there should be "pve currency" option. Like tokens for participating in Pve activities like dungeons and trials. This way, you'd still need to earn it, but it would ease rng struggles.

Couldn't we make the argument that the Akaviri motif is priced too high? They're just motifs, they're no better as far as stats go... it's just an aesthetic option, so it's hard to really compare the two.

The "PVE currency" is the gold option. Doing PVE will get you all sorts of extra equipment that can be sold or broken down and the mats sold, if it doesnt already give you the better version of the monster set you need.

Why is it "too high"? Thing is, many pvpers have millions of ap collecting digital dust on theit chars so there should be some sort of "ap sink". We have siege and forward camps, of course, but also pvpers need gold for potions and gear/upgrades. Buying motifs for sale is a legit way to convert ap to gold, and imo its good.
Also, as I said, gold is not "pve currency", its a common currency. Pvpers also use it. And token system is more fair because you wouldnt be able to get dungeon gear without actually doing dungeons. Or, as alternative, playing pvp.

You were saying the monster sets were priced too low when compared to the motif. Theyre 2 vastly different things, but if they feel actual gear with stats and such is worth 200k AP the argument could be made the aesthetic item is being priced too high since he has no real value outside of someone wanting to look like a samurai.

You're only thinking about the hardcore PVPers and the fact they have "millions" is meaningless. This is one more thing for them to spend AP on, weekly. You forget there are new players coming in. 200k is a great number. If it was set at like 500K, those new players wouldnt but ANY siege since they're saving for the gear they need. The last thing we need is people skipping out on buying siege and other necessities... we have enough people out there who do little help during a siege.

PVEers already have access to getting the monster sets from doing PVE, but on top of that they're getting gold, and other items they can easily sell. They have more access to gold. As you said, PVPers need gold as well, and at best we can sell the rewards for the worthy, but the other option is buying items with AP and selling them. We receive AP faster than they can get gold tho, which is why (to me) it makes perfect sense to have the gold price half of what the AP price is.

Why is it people want to spend more AP? what difference does it make to you? If it was 500k you'd still be able to get it, especially since the "hardcore" guys claim to get between 100k-200k a day. A higher price point just discourages newer players from getting it, and what difference does it really make if they have it? It's not effecting you or your character... If the underlining issue is you feel the need to spend more AP, then buy more things with AP... If nothing else this is a step in the right direction of giving PVPers a good AP sink, as more items are added or rotated into the game.