Wrecking blow, insult to injury.

Lynx7386 · April 2016

Valen_Byte wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

the range is fubar

^^ This is the problem with WB. Why the hell does it have a 7 meter range? Its a mele attack ffs.

Because daggers have a 5 meter attack range, and it'd be pretty stupid for a greatsword to have the same reach as a pocket knife.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · April 2016

Wait, you actually see the animation for it?

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

Robotworgen92 wrote: »

I have noticed that of all the abilities that kill me in cyrodiil, the only one that actually bothers me is wrecking blow. Not only does it do massive damage to a distracted nightblade, it also has an animation that resembles getting slapped upside the head (with a broadsword). Am I alone in this or is the shame of being backhanded hurt worse that the actual attack?

Dont forget the part of the ability name that clearly states its going to wreck you.

ArchMikem · April 2016

People posting issues about certain abilities is like a shopping list for me, if it means getting an upper hand on others. Too bad I play as Dual Wield and not Two Handed.

Sausage · April 2016

Only thing what can kill you, you want nerfed, its PVP, the opponent need to have a chance to win too. This game is already way too passive and full of tanks, being undefeatable tank doesnt make you a good player, just lamer.

ced30 · April 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

People posting issues about certain abilities is like a shopping list for me, if it means getting an upper hand on others. Too bad I play as Dual Wield and not Two Handed.

Typical cancer player.

N0TPLAYER2 · April 2016

Durham wrote: »

Guys this ability hit from 5k to 8k with crits..if you are getting hit harder then you need to look at your build ...with hardy and impen and the cp change to therm. This ability is hitting about - 30% then before the patch..... with a 1 sec cast time... a crystal fragment hit's harder atm...
This is a dum thread

Lol. My night blade does a wrecking blow of 19k and then 23k (20% stronger second hit) without a crit.

I've wrecking blow someone in a one shot for 28k. I know people hate me.

Duiwel · April 2016

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Guys this ability hit from 5k to 8k with crits..if you are getting hit harder then you need to look at your build ...with hardy and impen and the cp change to therm. This ability is hitting about - 30% then before the patch..... with a 1 sec cast time... a crystal fragment hit's harder atm...
This is a dum thread

This isnt true. I can hit you with a WB between 15-20k depending on how hard it crits.

Confirmed I get EZ 15k crits all the time...

But right now I am not giving my DK some love so he doesn't get to do that often

Artjuh90 · April 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Guys this ability hit from 5k to 8k with crits..if you are getting hit harder then you need to look at your build ...with hardy and impen and the cp change to therm. This ability is hitting about - 30% then before the patch..... with a 1 sec cast time... a crystal fragment hit's harder atm...
This is a dum thread

No it doesn't hit for a 5k crit, maybe the guy with 2k wpn dmg and 20k stamina nay hit you for 5k xD

I was getting hit for 7.5 normal hit, 8k crit the other day by some guy.

I run 6x gold impen/15% crit reduction/15% into hardy as well xD

Wb is just one of the many badly designed skills in this game, a cc should not be attached to a high dmg skill, if you want to cc someone you should have to slot a skill designed for that.

then so is CF?

obscure7 · April 2016

So many WB haters. Might as well be stam haters as well.

WB is the one ability that makes stam users competitive with magicka users.

RebornV3x · April 2016

Yeah WB is annoying I normally try and avoid fights with players that WB me I just don't feel like dealing with it.

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

RebornV3x wrote: »

Yeah WB is annoying I normally try and avoid fights with players that WB me I just don't feel like dealing with it.

Facts. Then people want to know why Sorcerers stack shields in PVP, and streak/Ball of Lightning away from that silliness. Meanwhile people animation cancelling Wrecking Blows that without critical hitting hit for 15k and upward. Lol. Yeah, okay.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

Yeah WB is annoying I normally try and avoid fights with players that WB me I just don't feel like dealing with it.

Facts. Then people want to know why Sorcerers stack shields in PVP, and streak/Ball of Lightning away from that silliness. Meanwhile people animation cancelling Wrecking Blows that without critical hitting hit for 15k and upward. Lol. Yeah, okay.

I dont think you get how animation cancelling works. The animation being cancelled is not the WB animation.

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

Yeah WB is annoying I normally try and avoid fights with players that WB me I just don't feel like dealing with it.

Facts. Then people want to know why Sorcerers stack shields in PVP, and streak/Ball of Lightning away from that silliness. Meanwhile people animation cancelling Wrecking Blows that without critical hitting hit for 15k and upward. Lol. Yeah, okay.

I dont think you get how animation cancelling works. The animation being cancelled is not the WB animation.

I beg to differ sir. I've been wrecking blown numerous times and not seen the animation of it. I've wrecking blown other people/NPC's without having the animation show.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

Yeah WB is annoying I normally try and avoid fights with players that WB me I just don't feel like dealing with it.

Facts. Then people want to know why Sorcerers stack shields in PVP, and streak/Ball of Lightning away from that silliness. Meanwhile people animation cancelling Wrecking Blows that without critical hitting hit for 15k and upward. Lol. Yeah, okay.

I dont think you get how animation cancelling works. The animation being cancelled is not the WB animation.

I beg to differ sir. I've been wrecking blown numerous times and not seen the animation of it. I've wrecking blown other people/NPC's without having the animation show.

Thats not how animation cancelling works. here:

https://youtu.be/QIz6J_c9GQc

Lord-Otto · April 2016

Can't ani cancel WB, as it has a "cast" time.
BUT
you can charge a heavy attack while WB winds up, which is even stronger as animation cancelling instant abilities often enough.

I feel WB is much more bearable now that we got physical mitigation CPs. Having ridiculous range, hit detection, stamina drain and cc is still a bit much, though. And self-empower. People spam this all the time, because they can. Other builds have to sacrifice skill slots nad cycle through a delicate rotation to keep up the same dps and cc Wrecking Blow offers. In no way fair.
And for Artjuh:
Frags can be interrupted, have a longer casting time, are easily dodged, drain little stamina on block and don't empower themselves. Try hard-casting frags as your dps move in Cyro, see where it gets you, buddy!
(^_-)

I get how some stam builds would be lacking punch if it wasn't for WB, but a magical bullet like WB isn't the correct answer to that problem. Still think you can easily remove the cc component and only make the empower work for a different skill (Dragon Leap, Executioner), and stamina builds relying on this would not struggle at all.
But I'll have to watch the current PvP meta a bit longer...

For those hobby scientists here:
Yup, two-handers have longer range than daggers. Nope, a poke move from a one-handed longsword like Puncture has more range than a two-handed swing. nope, even that poke move doesn't have a range of 7 meters, get real!
x'D
No, a man-wielded sword should definitely not hit harder than magic, which is even stated by Elder Scrolls lore itself to be the most powerful weapon.

leepalmer95 · April 2016

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Can't ani cancel WB, as it has a "cast" time.
BUT
you can charge a heavy attack while WB winds up, which is even stronger as animation cancelling instant abilities often enough.

I feel WB is much more bearable now that we got physical mitigation CPs. Having ridiculous range, hit detection, stamina drain and cc is still a bit much, though. And self-empower. People spam this all the time, because they can. Other builds have to sacrifice skill slots nad cycle through a delicate rotation to keep up the same dps and cc Wrecking Blow offers. In no way fair.
And for Artjuh:
Frags can be interrupted, have a longer casting time, are easily dodged, drain little stamina on block and don't empower themselves. Try hard-casting frags as your dps move in Cyro, see where it gets you, buddy!
(^_-)

I get how some stam builds would be lacking punch if it wasn't for WB, but a magical bullet like WB isn't the correct answer to that problem. Still think you can easily remove the cc component and only make the empower work for a different skill (Dragon Leap, Executioner), and stamina builds relying on this would not struggle at all.
But I'll have to watch the current PvP meta a bit longer...

For those hobby scientists here:
Yup, two-handers have longer range than daggers. Nope, a poke move from a one-handed longsword like Puncture has more range than a two-handed swing. nope, even that poke move doesn't have a range of 7 meters, get real!
x'D
No, a man-wielded sword should definitely not hit harder than magic, which is even stated by Elder Scrolls lore itself to be the most powerful weapon.

You can animation cancel wb

Like you said, you can do it with a heavy attack

You can even do it with jabs, you'll just stop the wb animation mid swing, start jabs on your second jab they'll be knocked up as your mid way through jabs, this one is devastating xD.

clayandaudrey_ESO · April 2016

Durham wrote: »

This is a dum thread

This maybe true but it was saved

Thelon wrote: »

By the awesome Adam West/Burt Ward meme.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · April 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Can't ani cancel WB, as it has a "cast" time.
BUT
you can charge a heavy attack while WB winds up, which is even stronger as animation cancelling instant abilities often enough.

I feel WB is much more bearable now that we got physical mitigation CPs. Having ridiculous range, hit detection, stamina drain and cc is still a bit much, though. And self-empower. People spam this all the time, because they can. Other builds have to sacrifice skill slots nad cycle through a delicate rotation to keep up the same dps and cc Wrecking Blow offers. In no way fair.
And for Artjuh:
Frags can be interrupted, have a longer casting time, are easily dodged, drain little stamina on block and don't empower themselves. Try hard-casting frags as your dps move in Cyro, see where it gets you, buddy!
(^_-)

I get how some stam builds would be lacking punch if it wasn't for WB, but a magical bullet like WB isn't the correct answer to that problem. Still think you can easily remove the cc component and only make the empower work for a different skill (Dragon Leap, Executioner), and stamina builds relying on this would not struggle at all.
But I'll have to watch the current PvP meta a bit longer...

For those hobby scientists here:
Yup, two-handers have longer range than daggers. Nope, a poke move from a one-handed longsword like Puncture has more range than a two-handed swing. nope, even that poke move doesn't have a range of 7 meters, get real!
x'D
No, a man-wielded sword should definitely not hit harder than magic, which is even stated by Elder Scrolls lore itself to be the most powerful weapon.

You can animation cancel wb

Like you said, you can do it with a heavy attack

You can even do it with jabs, you'll just stop the wb animation mid swing, start jabs on your second jab they'll be knocked up as your mid way through jabs, this one is devastating xD.

Very clearly in the video the WB animation was not cancelled.

Katahdin · April 2016

Yea WB can hit hard and crit hard.

I've been hit by overload for 18K damage. Prox det for 12K, radiant destruction for 15K.

Your point?

If you nerf WB, nerf all the rest too and we can go out and have wet noodle fights

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · April 2016

Look they fixed it I found this in the natch potes.

Two Handed

Wrecking blow

Wrecking Blow: To reduce the spamming of executions, this ability will now kill your character if you fail to kill your opponent with it.

DHale · April 2016

Key word... Distracted. When I see a player with a sword or axe or maul that is bigger than the toon it should get my full attention.