JMadFour wrote: »

Be honest, it's ok if it is just me and I suck, I'll just try to git gud or whatever. i'll take whatever advice you can give.

Heists, don't seem to encourage actual careful, sneaky play. it seems to encourage more of a sprint while spamming Dark Cloak kind of "stealth", until you see the Lamp Guards.

I'm waiting for the Guard with the lamp to move so I can sneak past him, and time is ticking down, and I'm just like "MOVE, GET OUTTA MY WAY ALREADY." and it takes the guy like 20-25 seconds to get far enough away for me to jump out of the basket and haul ass to the next one. that 20 seconds is precious man. especially since if you get seen for even a split-second you lose like half of your time(it seems).

any hints to help me more reliably complete these without having to constantly abandon and start over?

I complete them with about 2 minutes to spare and on other toons besides my nightblade. The key for me is the gear. For Heists I run 5 shadowdancer and 5 nightmother.

Seriously it really makes a difference. My gear is a mismatch too. I have exploration, sturdy, etc...lol.. the traits don't matter. The 5pc passives are my key.

Can do in 3min on my NB but can cloak past most npcs. Going to try vamp sorc for more of a challenge.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Necrelios wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Necrelios wrote: »

Heists are like endgame content for thieves. It's like the Maelstrom Arena for thievery With the time limit being what it is I think they should let you bring a friend along though so you can split up the task. Some of these it takes me twice that long just to find the dang things, let alone worry about being undetected.

You can bring a friend. Just share the quest with them.

Mind you, I haven't actually done this myself, so I don't know if you split the task or if you both have to do it, but I know you can bring a friend.

That's probably the trick then! I didn't know you could do that. Should be a lot easier if two people can split up and cut the time in half. I'm going to have to try this.

LOL nope, wouldn't work. Each of you would have to collect his own hidden treasures, they're not registered for all the group members. I think doing it in a group makes it far more difficult. You'd also probably have to wait for chests to respawn...

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I think it's actually a proximity thing. I was getting credit for caches and the treasure if I was close to my accomplice. So, no, you can't entirely divide and conquer. Of course, more people also means more chances to get spotted too.

Just to add to my previous post,
I did another earlier today and found that once i'd cleared one area of the chests I was right back near the exit before the last two showed up at the area I'd already cleared forcing me to run the gauntlet again, it did so on 5 different attempts after that too so not sure if it's intended or a bug, if it's intended then the timer needs to be extended by a lot.

Also finding that some traps aren't selectable to be disarmed, some only at a certain angles and some not at all, I tried different camera angles as I thought it may just be a positioning issue but found no difference so definitely bugged.

I'm still finding guards that aren't moving while chests are spawned next to them and on one occassion an extra guard appeared in an area near the entrance/exit where there had only been one when I passed earlier, was a single tunnel with no access from anywhere else so I'd have definitely seen him the first time had he been there, seemed a little unfair to stack the odds against me on my exiting with 15 seconds left on the timer, the phantom guard appearing that time caused me to have to abandon the quest and try again, he didn't appear on the next run through.
I'm playing on ps4 if that helps and I'd like to give these another chance if they're ever fixed but gonna leave them for now, too much wasted time for such little reward.

ZOS_JasonBarnes wrote: »

Hi everyone!

I wanted to let you all know that we’ve been reading the feedback and doing a lot of internal playtesting ourselves to adjust heists to where we want them to be. We want to try and fix some of the frustrating elements and make sure all the heists are in line with one another as far as difficulty goes.

The optional time bonus is supposed to be hard, but not unfair. It should also be doable if played just right even in full heavy armor and no points into any stealth reduction. You just have to play it very well.

That said, here are some of the things we’re hitting in the next several patches and you should see come online over time to help with this:

- Deadhollow Halls is getting adjusted to fall more in line with other heists. This includes changing some hard to see traps, adjusting where monsters move to, and how long you have to wait for them to move away from certain locations.
- Several bug fixes including the timer removing more time than intended when being seen by a group of monsters at the same time.
- Evaluating the loot you receive for completing the bonus quests.

We’ll continue to take a look at heists as a whole and see what else might need to be tweaked, but I wanted to update everyone and just let folks know that we’re looking into these things.

The loot is pretty disappointing to say the least.

Maybe add an Outlaw motif page if you complete it within the time and without getting spotted.

Did they just pull some of the lantern guards?

If i can do it on my dk you can

ZOS_JasonBarnes wrote: »

Hi everyone!

I wanted to let you all know that we’ve been reading the feedback and doing a lot of internal playtesting ourselves to adjust heists to where we want them to be. We want to try and fix some of the frustrating elements and make sure all the heists are in line with one another as far as difficulty goes.

The optional time bonus is supposed to be hard, but not unfair. It should also be doable if played just right even in full heavy armor and no points into any stealth reduction. You just have to play it very well.

That said, here are some of the things we’re hitting in the next several patches and you should see come online over time to help with this:

- Deadhollow Halls is getting adjusted to fall more in line with other heists. This includes changing some hard to see traps, adjusting where monsters move to, and how long you have to wait for them to move away from certain locations.
- Several bug fixes including the timer removing more time than intended when being seen by a group of monsters at the same time.
- Evaluating the loot you receive for completing the bonus quests.

We’ll continue to take a look at heists as a whole and see what else might need to be tweaked, but I wanted to update everyone and just let folks know that we’re looking into these things.

I've finished a couple of the heists. they are definitely doable.

just want to make it clear, I'm not asking for the Heists to be made easier. just musing on their difficulty level and fishing for general tips and tricks.

I've found that being a Vampire(or using nights silence, if you aren't a Vampire) makes the 8-minute timer much more tolerable. the ability to run full-speed in stealth saves so much time.

overall, I don't have much issue with the Heists themselves, what always gets me is the Timer, I feel compelled to beat the timer, I don't feel like I've beaten the Heist unless I beat the timer. and that feeling of "I have to rush to beat the timer" causes me to not play as carefully as I would usually when I am sneaking around, and I end up running into things I would usually avoid, trying to rush through everything. and instantly abandoning when I get seen and lose a minute of time.

overall, the Heists are really fun, and I'd like to see more of them added to the game. I'd also like to see Group Heists that are much larger (like a Dungeon compared to the Delve Heists we have now) with group-based Mechanics in them.

Deadhollow Halls is definitely the most annoying one out of them all, since the lantern guards move so slowly, pause for long times and illuminate the entire hallway making it impossible to sneak past them most of the time.

I wish that they would be made cross faction like other instances now. Tried to run with another DC friend and an AD friend. The AD guy was on the dungeon map but invisible and in a different phased dungeon. Seems that this could be easily changed since they have done it with the pledges already.

Ilsabet wrote: »

If you finish the heist after time expires you still get a reward, but it's not as good as if you had finished on time.

ahh. thank you. the timer was just so stressful. Guess I'll just ignore it for now

xilfxlegion wrote: »

i honestly hate these damn heists.

also -- what genius made it so the blade of woe doesn't work in the heists ?

Same here. Like say hello to my little friend would make the heists easier for me especially since I suck at timed things and being under pressure