^This.Gold mats spike in price after a DLC because many folks work on crafting or finding their new gear set(s) and then upgrade it to gold... Therefore more gold Mata are getting used.. Less gold mats for sale.. Price goes up.
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Stacks of silk, rubedite and rubedo aren't going for no more than $10k now....which is fine for me. It's so easy to pick up now that it shouldn't cost much at all.
Three weeks ago they cost between $35k-$45k a stack, here on NA PS4.
However, it appears that gold mats such as Alloy, Wax and Rosin have either stayed the same price or have even spiked.
Why?
I'm farming level 10 mats probably 4 times the rate pre DLC and yet gold mats stay same or even have a higher price? It doesn't make sense.
Sure they are still a pain in the butt to acquire, but those who farm and then refine their raw mats, should be recieiving gold mats at 4 times the speed(or whatever that rate is) than they used to do.
Alloys are still $11k-$12k, Wax is averaging $6k(used to be $4k) and Rosin is all over the place $6k-$8k (Used to be $3,500).
Now granted, the DLC JUST came out, so I expected some fluctuations within the market.
These two examples specifically, just don't make sense, especially when refining one, is the primary source for acquiring the other(gold mats).
Pre DLC(TG), the majority of my money was selling silk and now nobody wants it. They're focused on their Vicious Death sets or something else that is new.
I obviously know that most players needing gold mats now are improving their new VD set or something like that. But having the same price with a near 4 times the production rate is simply some scammy stuff. lol
And this is coming from a sellers standpoint more so than a buyers.
Higher demand for gold mats = too much supply of the materials ( due to refining to obtain said gold mats ) thus the actual materials are even more than it use to be where as the gold mats demand stays the same or increases ( but unlike the normal mats ) it cannot keep up with demand, where as the normal mats more than satisfy demand )
Economics 101
Um, what? Nobody was talking about farmers going and farming in zones other than Wrothgar (and now Hew's Bane). People who were farming in Wrothgar are going to be producing the same number of tempers now as they were before, because they'll be getting the same number of nodes now as they were before: the only difference is that now 100% of those ore nodes will be rubedite instead of the majority of them being voidstone.Higher demand for gold mats = too much supply of the materials ( due to refining to obtain said gold mats ) thus the actual materials are even more than it use to be where as the gold mats demand stays the same or increases ( but unlike the normal mats ) it cannot keep up with demand, where as the normal mats more than satisfy demand )
Economics 101
The requirements to keep up with the supply and demand requires production rates to increase, yet require production costs to decrease as well, right?
I don't know any level 50 crafter who primarily goes to Deshaan or Stonefalls(EP) to farm and refine raw mats.
My assumption was and still is, most level 50 crafters will and have been farming in the newest areas that scale to your level. Wrothgar and HB.
So yes, my assumption that most level 50 farmers will acquire their gold mats at a significantly higher rate.
And let's be real here. Pre DLC, the only reason to go to lower level nodes was ONLY to refine for mats. But, the difference(PRE DLC) with farming in wrothgar versus deshaan,is that you are guaranteed more money farming level 9 and 10 nodes versus level 1 or 2 nodes. Why?
Because silk and such was expensive and profitable to sell. Void bloom was easily acquired and could still be sold for some profit, yet the abundance of Void Bloom with the amount of Silk(or Rubedo or Rubedite) you picked up, was still way more profitable and practical than to just go farm level 1 or 2 nodes.
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Um, what? Nobody was talking about farmers going and farming in zones other than Wrothgar (and now Hew's Bane). People who were farming in Wrothgar are going to be producing the same number of tempers now as they were before, because they'll be getting the same number of nodes now as they were before: the only difference is that now 100% of those ore nodes will be rubedite instead of the majority of them being voidstone.Higher demand for gold mats = too much supply of the materials ( due to refining to obtain said gold mats ) thus the actual materials are even more than it use to be where as the gold mats demand stays the same or increases ( but unlike the normal mats ) it cannot keep up with demand, where as the normal mats more than satisfy demand )
Economics 101
The requirements to keep up with the supply and demand requires production rates to increase, yet require production costs to decrease as well, right?
I don't know any level 50 crafter who primarily goes to Deshaan or Stonefalls(EP) to farm and refine raw mats.
My assumption was and still is, most level 50 crafters will and have been farming in the newest areas that scale to your level. Wrothgar and HB.
So yes, my assumption that most level 50 farmers will acquire their gold mats at a significantly higher rate.
And let's be real here. Pre DLC, the only reason to go to lower level nodes was ONLY to refine for mats. But, the difference(PRE DLC) with farming in wrothgar versus deshaan,is that you are guaranteed more money farming level 9 and 10 nodes versus level 1 or 2 nodes. Why?
Because silk and such was expensive and profitable to sell. Void bloom was easily acquired and could still be sold for some profit, yet the abundance of Void Bloom with the amount of Silk(or Rubedo or Rubedite) you picked up, was still way more profitable and practical than to just go farm level 1 or 2 nodes.
So rubedite supply increases, demand stays the same, price drops.
Temper supply stays the same, demand increases, price doesn't drop.
I already explained this in the 3rd post in this thread.
I get the same chance at the same amount of gold tempers whether I refine 50 rough maple or 50 rough ruby ash... don't I?... I think...
So no, I don't think the supply of gold tempers has gone up. It has probably gone down as more people are now able to get the mats for their VR16 gear.
*facepalm*Um, what? Nobody was talking about farmers going and farming in zones other than Wrothgar (and now Hew's Bane). People who were farming in Wrothgar are going to be producing the same number of tempers now as they were before, because they'll be getting the same number of nodes now as they were before: the only difference is that now 100% of those ore nodes will be rubedite instead of the majority of them being voidstone.Higher demand for gold mats = too much supply of the materials ( due to refining to obtain said gold mats ) thus the actual materials are even more than it use to be where as the gold mats demand stays the same or increases ( but unlike the normal mats ) it cannot keep up with demand, where as the normal mats more than satisfy demand )
Economics 101
The requirements to keep up with the supply and demand requires production rates to increase, yet require production costs to decrease as well, right?
I don't know any level 50 crafter who primarily goes to Deshaan or Stonefalls(EP) to farm and refine raw mats.
My assumption was and still is, most level 50 crafters will and have been farming in the newest areas that scale to your level. Wrothgar and HB.
So yes, my assumption that most level 50 farmers will acquire their gold mats at a significantly higher rate.
And let's be real here. Pre DLC, the only reason to go to lower level nodes was ONLY to refine for mats. But, the difference(PRE DLC) with farming in wrothgar versus deshaan,is that you are guaranteed more money farming level 9 and 10 nodes versus level 1 or 2 nodes. Why?
Because silk and such was expensive and profitable to sell. Void bloom was easily acquired and could still be sold for some profit, yet the abundance of Void Bloom with the amount of Silk(or Rubedo or Rubedite) you picked up, was still way more profitable and practical than to just go farm level 1 or 2 nodes.
So rubedite supply increases, demand stays the same, price drops.
Temper supply stays the same, demand increases, price doesn't drop.
I already explained this in the 3rd post in this thread.
Did you even read what I said? Or are you nit picking at a sentence or two?
I know what you said. My quote was a response to everyone in the entire thread.
You're the only one I know to farm lower level nodes. Literally.
It's quite simple, refining mats is the primary source for acquiring gold mats. RIGHT?????
So if most level 50 crafters/farmers are farming level 9 and level 10 nodes(Pre DLC) it would have been much more profitable to do so than to go to a lower level node and farm it instead. Please re read that if you have a question about this.
It makes perfect sense.
Why knock only one thing out when you can knock out two birds with one stone?
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Umm, I was actually kinda contradicting you. Specifically where you said "So yes, my assumption that most level 50 farmers will acquire their gold mats at a significantly higher rate." I would very much doubt that there are a lot more people farming now then there was before TG, nor would the farmers themselves be farming more then usual (both points are conjecture on my part). So I'm saying there are probably roughly the same amount of gold tempers out there now as there was before (less VR9-14 mats and more VR15-16 mats but an equal amount when added together).
The fact that more people now have access to VR15-16 mats for gear means that they'll need gold tempers and the supply is actually (conjecture again) down. Which leads to higher prices.
I don't know any level 50 crafter who primarily goes to Deshaan or Stonefalls(EP) to farm and refine raw mats.
My assumption was and still is, most level 50 crafters will and have been farming in the newest areas that scale to your level. Wrothgar and HB.
Umm, I was actually kinda contradicting you. Specifically where you said "So yes, my assumption that most level 50 farmers will acquire their gold mats at a significantly higher rate." I would very much doubt that there are a lot more people farming now then there was before TG, nor would the farmers themselves be farming more then usual (both points are conjecture on my part). So I'm saying there are probably roughly the same amount of gold tempers out there now as there was before (less VR9-14 mats and more VR15-16 mats but an equal amount when added together).
The fact that more people now have access to VR15-16 mats for gear means that they'll need gold tempers and the supply is actually (conjecture again) down. Which leads to higher prices.
but then you contradict yourself then. You said they stayed same price.
BTW, I'm expecting prices of void mats to go up as well. It's still needed for top level writs, only farmable in Craiglorn if you have maxed crafting passives, and with the change to mats recovered from stolen items not profitable to steal any more.
BTW, I'm expecting prices of void mats to go up as well. It's still needed for top level writs, only farmable in Craiglorn if you have maxed crafting passives, and with the change to mats recovered from stolen items not profitable to steal any more.
You can get Void Mats in the last two zones of Caldwell's Gold, and they are abundant and rarely farmed. I even know of an area that I can get a 100 stack in about 5 minutes from a relatively small area, at least for the cloth. About half that for the ores in the same area.
BTW, I'm expecting prices of void mats to go up as well. It's still needed for top level writs, only farmable in Craiglorn if you have maxed crafting passives, and with the change to mats recovered from stolen items not profitable to steal any more.
You can get Void Mats in the last two zones of Caldwell's Gold, and they are abundant and rarely farmed. I even know of an area that I can get a 100 stack in about 5 minutes from a relatively small area, at least for the cloth. About half that for the ores in the same area.
I think it might also be because some people have stopped doing max writs which gave gold mats quite frequently because vet 12-14 mats have increased in price massively as they can't be farmed in wrothgar anymore and would require other areas. So instead of buying stacks of vet 12 mats or farming them people have just stopped doing writs.
ALso I agree that a lot of people are currently upgrading their new sets because vet 15 mats have plummeted in price.
@Waffennacht I know that. I am talking about voidsteel and so on that is needed for max writs. And if you don't farm them in craglorn or vet gold areas you have to buy them and as they have extremely increased in price many have stopped doing writs and as they give frequently gold mats the price might have gone up.
And hews bane is actually even better for farming than wrothgar in my opinion.