Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Last night on the normal pledge, our tank was a DC Sorcerer with a Destruction staff.

I sent him a message to taunt the boss. He proceeded to use his staff to execute bash attacks.

Needless to say, he was ill equipped to do any role.

Maybe they were running a Bash build!

imnotanother wrote: »

This is just as bad as the werewolf healer I had last night who refused to join group chat or respond to PM

maybe he was offline mode

The attitudes in this thread make me sick. The elitism is atrocious and it's obvious most of you are PC players who've been playing since the get go. Yet another reason I switched to PS4. Nobody is a prick like this on PS4. The PS4 folks EMBRACE variable non-meta builds and play the game for FUN.

You all need to take a breath and remember this game was founded on a fundamental design statement. "Play the way you want". The meaning of that as was described pre-launch at numerous events was: build your character as you wish in, and to play solo, with friends, or with strangers.

In the very first dungeon demo ever released the group's healer used a bow and the tank used a destruction staff plus sword and shield. People applauded the end of the trinity system.

Now rethink what you're all complaining about. Next time you're grouped with a player who's built as a hybrid, adapt.

pecheckler wrote: »

The attitudes in this thread make me sick. The elitism is atrocious and it's obvious most of you are PC players who've been playing since the get go. Yet another reason I switched to PS4. Nobody is a prick like this on PS4. The PS4 folks EMBRACE variable non-meta builds and play the game for FUN.

You all need to take a breath and remember this game was founded on a fundamental design statement. "Play the way you want". The meaning of that as was described pre-launch at numerous events was: build your character as you wish in, and to play solo, with friends, or with strangers.

In the very first dungeon demo ever released the group's healer used a bow and the tank used a destruction staff plus sword and shield. People applauded the end of the trinity system.

Now rethink what you're all complaining about. Next time you're grouped with a player who's built as a hybrid, adapt.

Yes, because as a tank I enjoy burning through my tripots because the Hybrid Sorcerer '"Healer" uses one Resto power every ten minutes.

He plays his own special snowflake way, at the sacrifice of others for GROUP content? Sounds great!

Back to the original topic. Know your role, and queue for said role. Destruction staff Sorcerer queued as a Tank: You may want to play YOUR way, but I will kick you for GROUP content.

pecheckler wrote: »

The attitudes in this thread make me sick. The elitism is atrocious and it's obvious most of you are PC players who've been playing since the get go. Yet another reason I switched to PS4. Nobody is a prick like this on PS4. The PS4 folks EMBRACE variable non-meta builds and play the game for FUN.

You all need to take a breath and remember this game was founded on a fundamental design statement. "Play the way you want". The meaning of that as was described pre-launch at numerous events was: build your character as you wish in, and to play solo, with friends, or with strangers.

In the very first dungeon demo ever released the group's healer used a bow and the tank used a destruction staff plus sword and shield. People applauded the end of the trinity system.

Now rethink what you're all complaining about. Next time you're grouped with a player who's built as a hybrid, adapt.

What I'm reading here is kind of a blend of elitism and practical info slathered in troll-esque commentary. The first time I ran with a group, I picked healer because, duh I was a Templar that's supposedly what they do. And the first few times I was fine and the groups I ran with kicked butt, we had a blast. Next few not so good because I kept trying to play damage AND heal. In a group, ideally for success, you cannot do both--hybrids just don't always work. There is a point in the fun gaming experience where players have to use strategy and the game's class structure to do well, and grouping for dungeons is a core example of that.

A few mistake-groups later, and finding out that I really just don't like playing healer because I personally like punching things more, I'm at a nice place where I play DPS and assist the group healer by giving them less work to do--BoL's/Springsand throwing down occasional stamina shards, etc. Everyone in the group is playing a designated role and still playing the way they want, and we all get what we want out of the grouping/dungeon experience.

I'm sure that stuff like what's in this thread is what spooks newbies away from the dungeoning experience--people yelling at each other over something that's pretty simple to talk about, explain and train.

Yeah I have noticed this too a few times someone came in as a tank but it wasnt a tank. People pretty much lie about their role to get into a dungeon.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

After much thought, we believe this was a DPS

this was the case, that being said most pledges don't require a tank...but if he died a lot he clearly needed a tank himself. So many choices

This is the death rattle of MMO's. in the quest to make fast profits games have come a recycling bin of player bases. the easiest way to do this is to dumb down content to the point it requires only damage and some healing. all the individual needs to do is be good at soloing and apply it well in group content. the result was larger box sales and zero player retention. With the canceling of production of MMO's from all the AAA studios (sony ie daybreak),(blizzard).The Genre is dead completely and utterly. More games like destiny, division and small CO op pvp with casual PVE will now be the greedy corporate focus. We only have ourselves to blame as a player base. You guys complained and pissed and moaned about wanting class less skill based systems and this is what you got. Avoid red puddles, everyone gets a superhero cape , and here is your food stamp purples. You guys didn't want traditional MMO you wanted a solo playable mmo with other people around to look at.This is what we got Group content that does not require you play as a group.

(I'm assuming the first bolded part was "wanting class systems less and more skill based systems". If I erred in interpreting that, please feel free to correct me).

Playing as a group does not always mean "play as your class (trinity role)".
Hybrids have their own array of strengths and weaknesses that other builds can help make up for. They're just not as well defined as the strengths/weaknesses of the Trinity, but still existent none the less. Adapting and working together can still apply regardless of what build a person uses.

All a person really has to do is know the mechanics, have moderate to good gear, and have a decent reaction time. Keep it skill based and never reliant on class.

Now not all hybrids are as viable as the next, but the pigeonholing every class into one or two roles should be far from an absolute necessity.

That being said, if you want to form a group that absolutely has to fit your requirements it is key that you communicate this. This game is not like other MMOs and you have to understand that there are people who play differently than what you expect. If you see a problem with how he does things, then again, the key is communication--offer advice, explain a few things, etc. Convey that you want him to "play as his class" and what that means to you. If he doesn't adjust then unfortunately you're either going to have to convey that there may be another group out there for him or you find a new group yourself. It really depends on how the rest of the group feels on the matter.

pecheckler wrote: »

The attitudes in this thread make me sick. The elitism is atrocious and it's obvious most of you are PC players who've been playing since the get go. Yet another reason I switched to PS4. Nobody is a prick like this on PS4. The PS4 folks EMBRACE variable non-meta builds and play the game for FUN.

You all need to take a breath and remember this game was founded on a fundamental design statement. "Play the way you want". The meaning of that as was described pre-launch at numerous events was: build your character as you wish in, and to play solo, with friends, or with strangers.

In the very first dungeon demo ever released the group's healer used a bow and the tank used a destruction staff plus sword and shield. People applauded the end of the trinity system.

Now rethink what you're all complaining about. Next time you're grouped with a player who's built as a hybrid, adapt.

hahahahahaha good one, oh wait you are serious...

I remember the promo selling BS before the game came out. All games have it and it never holds true - sales slogans are meant to sell games, that's about it.

It took less than a month for people to realize what does and doesn't work. I remember when NBs were actively discouraged in AA runs because they had weak dps. I remember stacking AA with 11 DKs and 1 Templar to burn 7-8 minute runs.... that was all within 6 months of the game going live.

Seriously, there is nothing more depressing than gearing yourself, skillset and playstyle up for a dungeon/trial to play group content, then getting there and 1 narcissistic player who wants to 'play like he wants' to the detriment of 3 others ruining it.

Play how you want fine on your own time. Don't go bringing a non-group, non-competent, non-cohesive build into group content and expect people to put up with it.

I am not saying all DPS should run around with FOTM builds, or tanks cant try hybrid DPS. What I am saying is if you are going to claim to be a tank, then f'ing tank.

pecheckler wrote: »

The attitudes in this thread make me sick. The elitism is atrocious and it's obvious most of you are PC players who've been playing since the get go. Yet another reason I switched to PS4. Nobody is a prick like this on PS4. The PS4 folks EMBRACE variable non-meta builds and play the game for FUN.

You all need to take a breath and remember this game was founded on a fundamental design statement. "Play the way you want". The meaning of that as was described pre-launch at numerous events was: build your character as you wish in, and to play solo, with friends, or with strangers.

In the very first dungeon demo ever released the group's healer used a bow and the tank used a destruction staff plus sword and shield. People applauded the end of the trinity system.

Now rethink what you're all complaining about. Next time you're grouped with a player who's built as a hybrid, adapt.

"Next time you're grouped with a player who's built as a hybrid, adapt"? It is not my intention to scorn ANY build. The purpose of this discussion is around players Lying about their builds. If you sign-up as a Tank, then group does have expectations of your build, and your participantion in the group. The same is true for Healers and DPS. If you think any build can be useful in any role, then your group will fail.

The fact is, many people Lie about their role to get selected quicker in the Group Finder (i.e. they Lie about being a Tank or Healer, when they are not; AND they know it). This IS a problem.

pecheckler wrote: »

The attitudes in this thread make me sick. The elitism is atrocious and it's obvious most of you are PC players who've been playing since the get go. Yet another reason I switched to PS4. Nobody is a prick like this on PS4. The PS4 folks EMBRACE variable non-meta builds and play the game for FUN.

You all need to take a breath and remember this game was founded on a fundamental design statement. "Play the way you want". The meaning of that as was described pre-launch at numerous events was: build your character as you wish in, and to play solo, with friends, or with strangers.

In the very first dungeon demo ever released the group's healer used a bow and the tank used a destruction staff plus sword and shield. People applauded the end of the trinity system.

Now rethink what you're all complaining about. Next time you're grouped with a player who's built as a hybrid, adapt.

Sure play how you want, no one is saying otherwise.

What this thread is talking about is people that Q they want to play as a tank and very obviously dont intend on playing as a tank (there are also healer examples in this thread)

If you want to play as a destruction staff tank.....fine... But play as a tank, taunt and mitigate damage. Otherwise you are not playing how u claimed you wanted/qued for...a tank.

Unless of course you just want to play as a narcissist person who ques as a tank to get into a group faster but have no desire to actually fulfill the tank roll you selected. Then keep on doing what you are doing

Tbh I was tired about complains for being unprepared for dungeons / my dps too low / tired about group finder issues / unable to find my dps a group.
So from my 2H stamina templar I made from scratch a pure magicka healer, based on online tutorials, just for dungeons, with 2 resto staffs, tons of magicka/regen, one bar only healing skills, 2nd supporting, 1 aoe offensive skill. And started to practice. Found it much more interesting than before, when I was usually doing pve and occasionally entering dungeons.
When someone plays bad I usually recommend to make a build with special set, to meet the role he wants to play the most, also getting some useful buffs he has not worry about. Such build helps a lot in pve too. For example my pure magicka healer can easily do most pve activities alone... Just a pity some people are too stubborn to listen and change, but it is like it is...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/256800/constructive-feedback-and-suggestions-gathering-thread-to-improve-the-group-finder-tool-devs#latest