KoshkaMurka wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

When it comes to group finder you just have to be harsh and judge the book by its cover.

If you aren't a DK then I'm kicking sorry. Not having a sorc in all light armour trying to tank valkyn skoria or a stam NB who thinks he can do it with the immovable heavy armour skill.

I know these classes can pull it off but only skilled players can that wouldnt use the group finder at all i dont think

I saw dk tanks that died all over the place. Dk has magma armor ofc, but it only lasts 10 seconds and any good tank uses war horn instead anyways. Chains are also useful, but not all average dk tanks are using them.
Any class can tank, and imo nb tank is even easier to play and sustain than dk. And yeah, I have both dk and nb tanks.
Speaking of kicking players for their class, I actually find this "elitism" hilarious. I'm a decent player (all hardmodes cleared, except vMoL, have a Flawless achievement and good DSA score), but I still pug sometimes. Despite popular opinion pugs do not have to be a noob ghetto, sometimes its just a way to meet new people and sometimes guildies are not available.
And sometimes I was getting kicked for being a nb tank. Even though this nb tank got Ic dungeon achievements before the nerf and doesnt need any stamina support. Im not offended, I think in these cases I was kinda lucky to avoid scrub group.
So... Good luck with judging people by their class.

Same here. Playing, and mainly tanking, since beta with MoL, HRC, and AA under my belt (not the most impressive achievements but then I'm also a roleplayer and so my time is split between PvE and RP) and yet I still spend most of my dungeon time with pugs. It's great when my guildies are online and we can create the perfect team (and when we do manage that it can be a thing a beauty with how well we know each other's builds), but they're not always online when I am. I've had just as many great pug runs as bad.

What I find amusing here is someone saying that skilled players wouldn't pug, yet they kick random tanks who aren't DK's. Which would mean that they pug, because where else do those random not-DK tanks come from? Which would mean that they are - by their own logic - not a skilled player. Which would then lead to the natural question of 'So where do you get the idea that you're skilled enough to judge someone else's skill on class choice alone?' Logic, it's a beautiful thing when used properly... or rather used at all.

See people complain of healers that can't keep them alive yet these people make no effort to aid in their own survival, like moving out of the big red circle...having had some bad experiences in pugs even with the right classes I generally take my tank into them, at least it gives me a modicum of control over what happens, though there are some dungeons I just won't pug, city of ash and the ic dungeons, just not worth the time and hassle with pugs.

Best post ever.

I'm a Nord DK heavy armor 2w dps + 1h1s tank. I'm using heavy armor sets to do some dps as well as tank but when it comes to trials you just can't tank in that. You really need some extra resistance on you and blocks and things. You don't have many issues in the other dungeons (never tried icp or wgt) unless the dps is too low to nuke certain bosses for instance vcoa crocodile dundee.

Show of Hands, who would like ZOS to give us the option to queue for random dungeons in groups other than Tank, Healer, and 2 DPS?

If so, would the options be:

A) Standard (Tank, Healer, 2 DPS)
Tank free (Healer, 3 DPS)
C) Max Damage (4 DPS)

??????

istateres wrote: »

Yesterday I ran a Random Dungeon as a DPS. The "tank" was shockingly bad. They never pulled the boss. They often (mostly) used a bow. And they died easily.

I ran this dungeon with a friend. They agreed with me about the "tank". After much thought, we believe this was a DPS, who claimed to be a tank to get into a Random Dungeon quickly.

Thoughts? Anything we can do to prevent this in the future?

My honest advice after being kicked from a normal PUG because I wanted to complete the dugeon quests but the one guy who just happened to be the leader only wanted to do 3 bosses to finish his Undaunted daily....who was also suppose to be a tank but was a light armor mage with a destruct staff and we had no healer...that was his friend who was also DPS.

Just keep posting about it in the forums but maybe ask that ZOS think about this differently

Vangy wrote: »

Here's a complicated guide to avoiding noob healers/tanks/Dps and maintaining a healthy, fun filled pve/pvp experience;

Step 1: play with friends you can trust who are good at the game.


The end.

Its not like you can buy a friend package dlc...
You gotta meet these friends somewhere.

Mysteri0n wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Mysteri0n wrote: »

Real talk time this game needs more tanks , if you a dps and tired of waiting hours for a group roll a tank you can get in a group in less than 10 seconds, to all the dps in this thread complaining about tanking, role one yourself so they will be better tanks out there. All tho if you get lucky and find a good tank the general consensus is if the healer dies,it's the tanks fault if the tank dies it's the healers fault, if the dps dies it's their own fault, due to standing in stupid and rushing ahead of the tank. #TankLife

The underlying issue is you don't need a tank just high dps

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Mysteri0n wrote: »

Real talk time this game needs more tanks , if you a dps and tired of waiting hours for a group roll a tank you can get in a group in less than 10 seconds, to all the dps in this thread complaining about tanking, role one yourself so they will be better tanks out there. All tho if you get lucky and find a good tank the general consensus is if the healer dies,it's the tanks fault if the tank dies it's the healers fault, if the dps dies it's their own fault, due to standing in stupid and rushing ahead of the tank. #TankLife

The underlying issue is you don't need a tank just high dps

The Underlying issue is this game is unbalanced all though would love for you to post a video of a trial with no tank

Yes it is imbalanced . But don't you see the issue here. 16 people you need a tank? 12 dps and maybe at most 3 healers. Ya the content dynamics are rock solid lol. Lazy development, with little thought to player longevity or engaging group dynamics

I know there are ways around this but I would like to see some sort of check on your character when you go into group finder. Maybe some sort of check for health and spell/damage resistance for tanks, damage, crit chance and/or magicka/stamina for DPS and whatever stats/tools healers use (I don't know anything about being a healer).

I know you can change your set up to get into the group finder and then swap it around once in the dungeon but it would reduce the number of people who could be bothered to go this far.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Here's a complicated guide to avoiding noob healers/tanks/Dps and maintaining a healthy, fun filled pve/pvp experience;

Step 1: play with friends you can trust who are good at the game.


The end.

Its not like you can buy a friend package dlc...
You gotta meet these friends somewhere.

True that. Well here's a guide to making friends.

1) Go to zone chat at the undaunted hub of your faction. Ie ( if your AD, this would be grahtwood. Or you could try rawl).

2) Advertise yourself in zone chat, or look out for the countless PVE guilds recruiting.

3) Now that you are in a guild, form groups within said guild and run pledges. Most guilds have fairly decent players that are far better than random pugs. + most guilds have a ts server so that would help out newer players who need voice chat to communicate in pledges. (ie: when doing vet coa/wgt/iCP for the first time etc)

4) Determine the players you like to play with from said groups over 1 or 2 weeks. If you find someone you particularly enjoy playing with, dont be shy! send them a pm telling them how frigging awesome they were and if you can add them to ur friends list.

5) Repeat step 3/4 as necessary until your friends list is packed with good players who dont needlessly F over your 15 min pledge runs into 1 hour wipe fests.

There we go. You'll never have to pug ever again.

Vangy wrote: »

Here's a complicated guide to avoiding noob healers/tanks/Dps and maintaining a healthy, fun filled pve/pvp experience;

Step 1: play with friends you can trust who are good at the game.


The end.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Here's a complicated guide to avoiding noob healers/tanks/Dps and maintaining a healthy, fun filled pve/pvp experience;

Step 1: play with friends you can trust who are good at the game.


The end.

Its not like you can buy a friend package dlc...
You gotta meet these friends somewhere.

Well technically you can buy friends but that falls under a different name know as prostitution.

More you know.

LoL. WTB a 'friend'.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Mysteri0n wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Mysteri0n wrote: »

Real talk time this game needs more tanks , if you a dps and tired of waiting hours for a group roll a tank you can get in a group in less than 10 seconds, to all the dps in this thread complaining about tanking, role one yourself so they will be better tanks out there. All tho if you get lucky and find a good tank the general consensus is if the healer dies,it's the tanks fault if the tank dies it's the healers fault, if the dps dies it's their own fault, due to standing in stupid and rushing ahead of the tank. #TankLife

The underlying issue is you don't need a tank just high dps

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Mysteri0n wrote: »

Real talk time this game needs more tanks , if you a dps and tired of waiting hours for a group roll a tank you can get in a group in less than 10 seconds, to all the dps in this thread complaining about tanking, role one yourself so they will be better tanks out there. All tho if you get lucky and find a good tank the general consensus is if the healer dies,it's the tanks fault if the tank dies it's the healers fault, if the dps dies it's their own fault, due to standing in stupid and rushing ahead of the tank. #TankLife

The underlying issue is you don't need a tank just high dps

The Underlying issue is this game is unbalanced all though would love for you to post a video of a trial with no tank

Yes it is imbalanced . But don't you see the issue here. 16 people you need a tank? 12 dps and maybe at most 3 healers. Ya the content dynamics are rock solid lol. Lazy development, with little thought to player longevity or engaging group dynamics

A trial is 12 players, not 16. Some bosses do not need a tank, for other bosses it's a must have.

Joined a dungeon not too long ago as a "healer" I ended up being the primary healer ( even though there was a templar there ) I was also the primary dps and tank and yes my magicka pool did suffer and I did get potion sickness after that due to consuming too many potions.

I have gotten players who queue up as all three roles are usually moderately bad DPS.

I leave the group and explain to any player in there besides the offender that queuing up for all three roles is a jerk move that screws groups if we're expecting dedicated roles. If I'm lead, I kick that person with the simple "Don't queue for a role you don't play" in group chat before the kick.

Sure, there are dungeons that you don't "need" a tank for, but for some of us, the 4-man dungeons are our favorite thing to do, we like having 4 man groups that are nice and balanced and fun, it's the next best thing to doing a dungeon crawl in D&D and I don't need or want some tool to ruin that for me. Now, normally that's not an issue, I just put pre-made groups together, since people always want helmets, but I like to get my 100k exp too so now and again I run into those philistines who think it's ok to do something like that.

Come on how hard is it?

Slot inner fire> be decent at the game> ????? >profit

Ofc there is a couple of times where you will need to actually swap some gear or attribute points, but those are rare.

I will say also.. No! not say. Scream it loud - LYING HEALERS!!

Realy, it is not funny to taunt boss, keep aggro on packs, heal myself, heal party and got privs "can You cast buffs?"...

Really. If Healer dont heal i leave group after first boss.

Reapor wrote: »

Come on how hard is it?
Slot inner fire> be decent at the game> ????? >profit
Ofc there is a couple of times where you will need to actually swap some gear or attribute points, but those are rare.

I though that also. "Just 2 aggro skills? Easy game" but later... There are many tactics, builds and really "well tanking" is not HOLD BLOCK AND TAUNT EVERY 15sec