THE ELITISTS IN THIS GAME ARE TERRIBLE (BOTH PvE AND PvP)

rotaugen454 · March 2016

I have several VR16s and I group with lower players more than other VR16s. Some lower levels are bad but most are just glad to have higher level help. If it's a dungeon I've run many times, I tell them what is coming up and how to handle it. Most players have been appreciative of getting the info.

Seri · March 2016

Reykice wrote: »

They need to place a timer, if you leave before the first pack is attacked when a group is full you can`t rejoin the queue for 30 minutes or until that dungeon is left by everyone or completed.

Then you would have people leaving after the first pack, which is even more annoying. I've used the random finder for both vet and non-vet, ran with 3 others around L25ish the other day in non-vet Darkshade, but admittedly I was happy to not completely faceroll it.

dday3six wrote: »

It's not the nicest thing to do, but sometimes we'll leave or kick another player gotten through group finder because we are trying to use it to scale a friend.

Last I checked you can trigger and then cancel the search immediately. Alternately now we can cross faction invite and full-group search I would expect you can create the group and then 'queue' for the random (or even specific).

Pepsi2853_ESO · March 2016

dday3six wrote: »

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

if someone is elite,wtf are they doing using the group finder?
elites would only run with elites,otherwise trollin and pointless.

a lot of them probably want the random dungeon reward bonus. these v16 elitists will que, find a group, and if they feel the group they've been joined up with won't be good enough they immediately leave and re-que.

There's actually a something going on (even acknowledged on last ESO Live) that makes having 3 and doing the random daily take any extended time (30mins or more) to find a 4th sometimes. I find it hard to believe many people would leave just to re-que and wait that long again.

depending on the time of day, i've had ques where after i complete the dungeon i re-que and find another group immediately. it's not always a long wait in the dungeon que. sometimes it finds groups instantly for you.

CaptainBeerDude · March 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

So you choose not to be social and join a guild, and ZoS says to you "don't worry i'll give you an automated tool to find groups with!" where it takes 0 effort to find a group. Then you're mad that, when not having to join a guild to run group content, players choose not to run with you.

Sounds like a much different problem than any supposed elitists, I would argue this is a matter of player entitlement.

A lot of people use it now because of the rewards just because people use it doesn't mean they're not in a guild.

True, but elitists are likely not joining group finder. And 8f they are they know exactly what they are getting in to and likely will take what they get. They are not in group finder to find a solid group to run with, but to help out new players or perhaps look for a new challenge to a dungeon they ran 100 times. Odds are an elitist is only running a dungeon because they are doing daily in which case they will generally have a group or two they run with systematically, especially gold key. Or, to farm it for helms in which case they are also not using the group finder because they are looking for speed runs.

Bottom line is, the players that leave, likely are not elitist. Elitist don't need no stinking group finder

Sounds like you're referring to ELITE players. The elitist players will have some overlap with this group but are not necessarily elite players. They just have a belief that they are.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Dude you are a punk and ruin MMOs. This is why MMOs are turning more and more solo friendly cause people dont want to group cause of punks like you.

Exactly. They make it so there's no point anymore to being any level other then the level cap. If you're not maxed then you're useless. That's a crap mentality in a video game meant to be fun.

While I agree with the OP, the game should also be fun for the v16. That may mean doing it quickly with strong players.

bowmanz607 · March 2016

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

So you choose not to be social and join a guild, and ZoS says to you "don't worry i'll give you an automated tool to find groups with!" where it takes 0 effort to find a group. Then you're mad that, when not having to join a guild to run group content, players choose not to run with you.

Sounds like a much different problem than any supposed elitists, I would argue this is a matter of player entitlement.

A lot of people use it now because of the rewards just because people use it doesn't mean they're not in a guild.

True, but elitists are likely not joining group finder. And 8f they are they know exactly what they are getting in to and likely will take what they get. They are not in group finder to find a solid group to run with, but to help out new players or perhaps look for a new challenge to a dungeon they ran 100 times. Odds are an elitist is only running a dungeon because they are doing daily in which case they will generally have a group or two they run with systematically, especially gold key. Or, to farm it for helms in which case they are also not using the group finder because they are looking for speed runs.

Bottom line is, the players that leave, likely are not elitist. Elitist don't need no stinking group finder

Sounds like you're referring to ELITE players. The elitist players will have some overlap with this group but are not necessarily elite players. They just have a belief that they are.

Fair point. But I would argue that if you believe yourself to be elite, then why is it your trying to run with pugs? Obviously a question that can't be answered, but worth mentioning.

jbcrocks · March 2016

If you wanna pvp, find a guild

Zerok · March 2016

NovaShadow wrote: »

As for PVE, depends what those V16's what. If they're up for a quick run, they'll prob leave group till they find one with 3 other V16s. If it's a vet dungeon I totally get that.

Not necessarily.

A few weeks ago, I joined a group for the vCoA pledge with my OP V16 Sorc (all gold gear, about 450 CPs). I had never done this dungeon before, so I told them just that. I was immediately kicked by the group leader.

When I asked the guy why he did that, he said that this dungeon required experienced players. I told him I watched all the fights on YT and had completed vWGT twice, but he still said no.

So yeah, some players are quite self-centered. It's better not to play with these guys anyway.

Farorin · March 2016

I can usually find groups in PVP, although there are a few Elitist types in PVP and exclusive guild only groups, there are usually at least 1 or 2 PUGs.

PVE is the place I find it the hardest, the only people I can reliably get a group with are my to v16 mains, my alts though? Nope, always being kicked, or having people leave the group because my level is "too low". I have even had people call me out and badmouth me for having a templar tank in PVE, despite always being able to tank successfully with him.

I love PVP and PVE and don't regard myself as one side or the other, but I have found that exclusive PVEers are usually more likely to be elitist, or jerks, compared to my experiences with people who exclusively play PVP.

bottleofsyrup · March 2016

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

seriously, there are v16 elitists that will use the dungeon finder to find a group, and then when they get the group if they see they're playing with lower vet ranks they immediately leave.

and in pvp, i was able to instantly find a group in the non-vet pvp lobby. it was just type "lfg" in zone chat and you got a group. now since i'm a vet rank when i go into a pvp lobby and type "lfg" i never find a group. i even call the elitists out on it like "hrey cmon elitists can i joinz a group???" and they reply "lol, no. git gud" and stuff like that. so i know it isn't just a lack of groups in pvp, but purposeful exclusion. opinions.

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Dude you are a punk and ruin MMOs. This is why MMOs are turning more and more solo friendly cause people dont want to group cause of punks like you.

Totally not the same person. /s

Reykice · March 2016

Seri wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

They need to place a timer, if you leave before the first pack is attacked when a group is full you can`t rejoin the queue for 30 minutes or until that dungeon is left by everyone or completed.

Then you would have people leaving after the first pack, which is even more annoying. I've used the random finder for both vet and non-vet, ran with 3 others around L25ish the other day in non-vet Darkshade, but admittedly I was happy to not completely faceroll it.

dday3six wrote: »

It's not the nicest thing to do, but sometimes we'll leave or kick another player gotten through group finder because we are trying to use it to scale a friend.

Last I checked you can trigger and then cancel the search immediately. Alternately now we can cross faction invite and full-group search I would expect you can create the group and then 'queue' for the random (or even specific).

The first boss then. Anyway something needs to be done, including saying that leaving dungeon groups without a reason is an offense and can be reported.

But well, they don`t even fix the bugs so i doubt such a thing is a high priority on their list.

Ackwalan · March 2016

You can easily fix your grouping problems in both PvP and PvE. Start your own group.

Destyran · March 2016

Last time i tried group finder i got a nb with 1600 spell famage who said he lied he isnt actually a tank and a healer who was a sorc that spammed hard casted frags with a twilight out when i tried dealing with this by asking for healing springs as twilight wasent enough. He said "EXCUSE ME YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDNT READ THE PATCH NOTES TWILIGHT IS AS GOOD AS BREATH OF LIFE SO SHUT THE F@&$ UP!" Then i left

DerAlleinTiger · March 2016

Destyran wrote: »

Last time i tried group finder i got a nb with 1600 spell famage who said he lied he isnt actually a tank and a healer who was a sorc that spammed hard casted frags with a twilight out when i tried dealing with this by asking for healing springs as twilight wasent enough. He said "EXCUSE ME YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDNT READ THE PATCH NOTES TWILIGHT IS AS GOOD AS BREATH OF LIFE SO SHUT THE F@&$ UP!" Then i left

And that is when I don't think any sane person can blame you for leaving.

Seri · March 2016

Reykice wrote: »

Seri wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

They need to place a timer, if you leave before the first pack is attacked when a group is full you can`t rejoin the queue for 30 minutes or until that dungeon is left by everyone or completed.

Then you would have people leaving after the first pack, which is even more annoying. I've used the random finder for both vet and non-vet, ran with 3 others around L25ish the other day in non-vet Darkshade, but admittedly I was happy to not completely faceroll it.

The first boss then. Anyway something needs to be done, including saying that leaving dungeon groups without a reason is an offense and can be reported.

But well, they don`t even fix the bugs so i doubt such a thing is a high priority on their list.

Reportable maybe but it's not going to be enforceable given a reason can be made up or given regardless if it's true or not. "Sorry, front door/phone/dinner/fire alarm/pet/kids/kitchen sink/justrealisedhadnopotions/notpuggingICP"... Someone would need to define what is 'acceptable' reason (lost power and laptop battery won't last) and what is not (I'm in a group of Potatoes) and then find a way to work out what the real reasons might be

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

Yesterday I was grinding cp in old orsinium at 6am. I was about to stop for a coffee and smoke when I see a lvl 19 and immediately get a whisper "can I play with you for 30 mins until my xp pot expires". So I oblige and group with him and drag him round my loop for half hour. He jumped 6 levels and I gained 5 cp.

PvP is a different matter though; I don't want to be grouped with anyone I will likely feel responsible for, and that's not elitism, it's survivalism. I guess players who regularly run dungeons might feel the same. It's an mmo; join a guild.

Tan9oSuccka · March 2016

NovaShadow wrote: »

PVP can be easily explained.

Guilds don't pick up lfg pugs. Find the pug group and run with them, they'll usually advertise and you type their inv string.

As for PVE, depends what those V16's what. If they're up for a quick run, they'll prob leave group till they find one with 3 other V16s. If it's a vet dungeon I totally get that.

Bingo. Nothing against lower level players, I just want a smooth run.

Side note: Nothing makes me leave faster than when I see a lower level VR Sorcerer with pets in a Vet Dungeon.

EsoRecon · March 2016

What is this thread?

NovaShadow · March 2016

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

I just thought of something, the dungeon runs, are you using the random dungeon finder? If so, I've left a few groups using that tool until I get a dungeon I want/need to complete.

If you're going the random route, this is possibly why they're leaving.

that's you're fault for not queuing in the specific dungeon finder. it's made specifically for that. i understand your position in wanting to reap the rewards of the random dungeon while getting whatever dungeon you need to get done, done. but it irritates people who just want to do a random dungeon and don't care which one it is when you leave because you want to do a specific dungeon.

Um, no. The rewards are only with the random dungeon.

Reykice wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

I just thought of something, the dungeon runs, are you using the random dungeon finder? If so, I've left a few groups using that tool until I get a dungeon I want/need to complete.

If you're going the random route, this is possibly why they're leaving.

They need to place a timer, if you leave before the first pack is attacked when a group is full you can`t rejoin the queue for 30 minutes or until that dungeon is left by everyone or completed. That would keep people from doing what you are doing as in ruining it for everyone.

I don't enter the dungeon, I leave within seconds if it comes up as the same dungeon yet again.

Had this happen, did a normal BC run with friends. Launched the random finder and got BC again, left because I had literally just run it, tried again and another BC group, left it and the 3rd try I got another dungeon.

I've run a few pug groups, some good but the bad leave a bad impression. Unless I'm chasing a specific achievement or a helm I don't mind the lvl/vr of the group, the scale works fine if the people know what they're doing. When they're not, I am perfectly within my right to leave a group mid dungeon.

Vangy · March 2016

1) Go to zone chat at the undaunted hub of your faction. Ie ( if your AD, this would be grahtwood. Or you could try rawl).

2) Advertise yourself in zone chat, or look out for the countless PVE guilds recruiting.

3) Now that you are in a guild, form groups within said guild and run pledges. Most guilds have fairly decent players that are far better than random pugs. + most guilds have a ts server so that would help out newer players who need voice chat to communicate in pledges. (ie: when doing vet coa/wgt/iCP for the first time etc)

4) Determine the players you like to play with from said groups over 1 or 2 weeks. If you find someone you particularly enjoy playing with, dont be shy! send them a pm telling them how frigging awesome they were and if you can add them to ur friends list.

5) Repeat step 3/4 as necessary until your friends list is packed with good players who dont needlessly F over your 15 min pledge runs into 1 hour wipe fests.

There we go. You'll never have to pug ever again. No need to worry about special snowflake dps who want to dps in 7/7 heavy or noob tanks who are just dps in disguise or healers who are just using 2/2 destro staff while spamming vigor for heals or elitists that kick you for taking 5 seconds longer to kill boss. GG

JaJaLuka · March 2016

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

what you people are not getting is in both PvP and PvE instances you are scaled to the level of the area. when you use the random dungeon finder everyone below v16 is scaled up to v16. my problem is the v16 people leaving because they feel like they're higher skill than you and need to play with other v16s to clear the dungeon. same for PvP. they assume if you're not a v16 like them, then you're not skilled enough to play with them. they will immediately leave your group when using the random dungeon finder, and exclude you from groups with them in PvP. it has nothing to do with being strong enough for the area because everyone scales up to the instances area anyway.

NovaShadow wrote: »

I just thought of something, the dungeon runs, are you using the random dungeon finder? If so, I've left a few groups using that tool until I get a dungeon I want/need to complete.

If you're going the random route, this is possibly why they're leaving.

that's you're fault for not queuing in the specific dungeon finder. it's made specifically for that. i understand your position in wanting to reap the rewards of the random dungeon while getting whatever dungeon you need to get done, done. but it irritates people who just want to do a random dungeon and don't care which one it is when you leave because you want to do a specific dungeon.

Humatiel wrote: »

So you choose not to be social and join a guild, and ZoS says to you "don't worry i'll give you an automated tool to find groups with!" where it takes 0 effort to find a group. Then you're mad that, when not having to join a guild to run group content, players choose not to run with you.

Sounds like a much different problem than any supposed elitists, I would argue this is a matter of player entitlement.

no, it gets much more complicated than that. i've tried to find PvP guilds, but some pvp guild are so elitist they won't even invite you unless you're v16. and you shouldn't have to be v16 and have all gold max gear just to find a group anyway.

I think you're a little confused with how the scaling works. Just because you're scaled to v15 (btw not scaled to v16) you're not nearly as strong as you think you are. Your gear matters and with lower level gear you're bound to be hitting for minimal damage or healing for far less than a higher levelled player and if you're a tank you'll possibly die. I don't agree with higher levelled players just walking out on you, but I would recommend joining a guild (start with PvE and work your way into PvP if that's your aim) and making some friends to help you out or just run with. Also experience counts (particularly with some mechanics, some other players just aren't willing to type everything out for you or keep dying, they just want a quick clear) and some people look for that in others and their level sometimes is an indicator of that.
Btw if you're on PC NA you're welcome to contact me if you'd like to run something or need help anywhere (same @name as my forum name, just send me an in game mail).

sigsergv · March 2016

We need more powerful group finder, not just “give me a random dungeon with random player” but with search flags like “I'm elitist”, “I'm noob” etc. Elitists are really ruin the game, they must be separated.

KallistaBlackheart · March 2016

so, it sounds like the OP wants to force people to play how he wants them to.....

KingYogi415 · March 2016

This is what guilds are for.

AtraisMachina · March 2016

I agree to a point I play on a v9 sorc and a v16 stampler and its a noticable difference in time it takes to find a group just in general. But I also gotta emphasize that you cant expect that from everyone. There are plenty of v16's including my self who actually enjoy pulling people through dungeons. There honestly isnt a better feeling than joining a vet darkshade group with a dps that doesnt even know what steel tornado is an by the end of the dungeon theyre a legit lawn mower of a DD.

Also just to be blunt and not even really related to your complaint. Just lvl your charater up. Its a freakin pain to mob grind but everyone does it and this game is WAY MORE ENJOYABLE when ur capped. Thats just the way this game is. You gotta cut ur teeth.

Vangy · March 2016

Ive said this before in another thread but I think it needs to be repeated;

Far too many people get confused with the difference between elite and elitist. imo;

Elite = awesome players who are maybe the top 5% in terms of skill/gear etc.

Elitist = Not necessarily elite. Could be pro, could be noob, could be average. However, the one common thing between them all is that they are pricks. These are the guys that post FTC after every single trash pull in random vet pledges, say things like "i carried u guys", "u suck" etc etc.

Elitists suck. Because most of the time, these people arent even really elite. Even if they are, thyre a pain to play with. Hence, why they are always looking for pug groups. Cos no one likes playing with them even though they (may) be good. No one should be humiliated or trash talked at because they are noob/new to the game. We all started off as noobs didnt we? However, the elite players also have no obligation to group up with you OP. For example, I have 3 PvP guilds an 2 PVE guilds chuck full of elite players. We dont pug. We dont go to zone chat and ask for people to join our groups. Why would we? We have friends and about a hundred players online collectively at any point in time. Its much faster and much more efficient to form groups within guild/friends list. It also helps us improve by playing together often. (teamwork)

If you cant find a group in pug, join a few guilds. Form lasting friendships. Group content is vastly more fun with friends. Like when someone does something stupid and party wipes, the casual banter and jokes and (joking) mockery makes things MUCH more bearable (and heck even more fun when we wipe lol). Refer to my earlier post on how to find guilds/make friends.

failkiwib16_ESO · March 2016

Those who suggested a report and punishment system for players leaving their groups..

When your attitude starts out with a demand that others play with you, rather than having players want to play with you, then you are vengeful and self entitled. I hope you develop and grow out of that for your own sake and the community here.

Grouping Tool scale low levels to v15 and dungeon to v16. Already here the low level is in disadvantage.
Fortheremore battlescaling through grouping tool just gives you a boost in your current stats, and chances are that a low level lacks upgraded gear, jewelry, proper enchantments, skills and passives unlocked.

many v16s who have tried to join up with lower level players have had mixed experiences, but mainly bad - thus try to avoid that in pug runs by leaving group.
some v16s try to que in for their friends groups, and leave your group because they don't intend to really run a random group.
other v16s try to que in for a different dungeon.

There are many reasons for why a v16 is leaving your group. And should you wonder, I have tried to be in group with 2 other v16s trying to find a 4th member for our group, and 2-3 people left group as soon as they joined. This is not a thing only lower levels experience, although v16s are maybe experiencing this less..

My best recomendation is for you to join a friendly social active pve guild who does pvp runs, ask around or ask your friends for one... join a few, socialize and get to know people. There are many who do runs with lower levels, specially in social guilds.

Sausage · March 2016

I dont think its about elitism, they are quite hard and 1 bad player can ruin it for the rest.

Reevster · March 2016

All Caps in a thread title seems a tad elitist , why do people put all caps in these type of threads?

Bofrari · March 2016

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Dude you are a punk and ruin MMOs. This is why MMOs are turning more and more solo friendly cause people dont want to group cause of punks like you.

Who's the punk dude it takes one week to get a toon from level 3 to vr16 get over yourself stop being lazy and level up or don't n keep running with them crap groups that whips in wayrest sewers on the 1st boss with your 5k dps.