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IT'S NOT SOBER TO DEFEND THE STUDIO ANYMORE
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✭✭Concenaros wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Concenaros wrote: »I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that ZOS isn't trying to actually work on the issues affecting the game.
Do you understand what game development actually entails? I'm pretty sure they have a dedicated team trying to pinpoint the causes of the lag issues and they're probably stressed beyond belief trying to deliver it in a timely manner. Sometimes creating a patch to fix an issue can take a massive amount of time as they first need to find out what the cause of the issue is, then they need to actually fix it.
Any major fix to the game first has to then be tested extensively to make sure it doesn't produce knock on issues or to determine if it actually fixes the issue completely.
I'm pretty sure in the case of this fix ZOS doesn't want to just apply a band-aid and spot fix it, only to find out the next time they release a DLC that the issue re-emerges and throws the community into a frenzy again.
What we can do is try to assist ZOS by giving them detailed reports of happenings within Cyrodill and providing them with useful information to attempt to fix the issue. Not create forum threads that just lead to toxicity within the community and specifically flame ZOS for 'not fixing' the issue.
"But if we are hard on them they will fix it faster" QQ
"Stop defending ZOS they are the antichrist" QQ
"Fix this or I Quit" QQ
I agree with you but more than half of this thread is filled with people who just want to hate on ZOS. God forbid an MMO has bugs. Especially when a new DLC is released.
Yeah I'm actually kind of sad to see this. But there's generally this niche within each MMO community. I guess it takes all kinds.
Same here. They always post these kinds of threads but never add anything constructive to try an make a difference. I swear my 3 year old little sister acts better than they do sometimes.2 -
AOECAPS✭✭✭✭Problems with ESO
Cyrodiil lags
Maelstrom lags
Class balance lol
Magic>>>>>>>>>stamina
5000 crowns for portable banker
Eric Wrobel
AOE CAPS
Prox det
Group finder once again worthless
So many broken things I'm sure I'm missing some3 -
Crimsonwolf666✭✭✭✭I understand not everyone experiences lag like 70% of the players due. And yes I know that Pvp is the worst. But the lag that I get, is game breaking, and the bugs that I find unacceptable are the ones that keep you from completing quest. For example, the Missing Guardian quest in Craglorn....Haven't ever played in Craglorn before and wanted my main to at least try the Main storyline there. But now I can't enter that portal to Reinhold's Retreat. And yes have done the whole list of "fixes" that ppl suggest and yes have submitted bug reports and had friends submit bug reports, nothing done about it or said about it. That quest has been down since TG came out.
And before Orsinium DLC, the Pve barely had any lag, then Orsinium came out and it was more noticeable in Mournhold and definitely in Wrothgar with the random Load screens and sudden high latency going in the red. Then TGs came out....wow. I have game breaking lags in Maw of Lorkhaj. Can't roll dodge/block/attack anything when my game is so slow that its like watching a powerpoint presented by someone with Alzheimer's. And the whole group wipes not because of l2p, but the lag causes ppl to be unresponsive and then the random crashes others get (I have only experienced a couple of crashes, not really an issue for me personally). I get random lag and latency issues in many PvE locations that I NEVER had before. Maelstrom Arena, also very bad for me to the point I rage quit because its literally unplayable being so unresponsive. Yes, I have unloaded ALL addons, yes I have turned down graphics and whatnot to lower settings, my PC is beast enough for most games and more than meets the requirements to play, and have 20 MBps of internet.
I know most ppl I play with have the same lag issues, so yes it is a problem. If you are someone who doesn't experience any of this AT ALL, then congrats, you should go buy a Lotto ticket because you either have some divine luck on your side and your location you live is favorable to ZOS's servers or whatever the reason you don't experience what most ppl do.
So my expectations of a less buggy and less laggy game is setting the bar to high? No, I feel the bar is set too low, like Mariana Trench low....5 -
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✭✭✭ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.1 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
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✭oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »[snip] The current performance of ESO is more horrendous than horrendous! Tons of bugs are still out there, severe lag is getting worse in Cyrodiil and is spreading to PVE, notably Maelstorm Arena, and there are random server crashes. However, ,money was spent on a lot of advertisements including a video ad which is, well to say the least, not very impressive. We were promised tons of "improvements" before the TD, and I know a lot of players bought their promises and spent a lot more money at the TD launch. You have to take a few shots to really say things are still acceptable in this game. My girlfriend watched me playing this game the day after the TD launch, and she said "WOW, after 2 years this game still feels like BETA"......
Moderator edit - post edited to remove political references
Coming from someone who knows nothing about game development.
If its so bad and still just a beta why the hell are you here? Coz no one cares about yr bs rehashed opinions.1 -
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...how? o.Ojamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.0 -
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...how? o.Ojamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
It was on the latest ESO Live. Rich Lambert showed it. Someone with more energy than me can prob find the exact time stamp.0 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
...how? o.Ojamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
It was on the latest ESO Live. Rich Lambert showed it. Someone with more energy than me can prob find the exact time stamp.
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Reevster✭✭✭✭✭Problems with ESO
Cyrodiil lags
Maelstrom lags
Class balance lol
Magic>>>>>>>>>stamina
5000 crowns for portable banker
Eric Wrobel
AOE CAPS
Prox det
Group finder once again worthless
So many broken things I'm sure I'm missing some
Ya every other game has similar issues , some worst some better. Show me a MMO that has Zero issues and I will give you a cookie....
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Problems with ESO
Cyrodiil lags
Maelstrom lags
Class balance lol
Magic>>>>>>>>>stamina
5000 crowns for portable banker
Eric Wrobel
AOE CAPS
Prox det
Group finder once again worthless
So many broken things I'm sure I'm missing some
Ya every other game has similar issues , some worst some better. Show me a MMO that has Zero issues and I will give you a cookie....
Wait a min Wrobel works on other games?
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Concenaros✭✭✭oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »[snip] The current performance of ESO is more horrendous than horrendous! Tons of bugs are still out there, severe lag is getting worse in Cyrodiil and is spreading to PVE, notably Maelstorm Arena, and there are random server crashes. However, ,money was spent on a lot of advertisements including a video ad which is, well to say the least, not very impressive. We were promised tons of "improvements" before the TD, and I know a lot of players bought their promises and spent a lot more money at the TD launch. You have to take a few shots to really say things are still acceptable in this game. My girlfriend watched me playing this game the day after the TD launch, and she said "WOW, after 2 years this game still feels like BETA"......
Moderator edit - post edited to remove political references
Coming from someone who knows nothing about game development.
If its so bad and still just a beta why the hell are you here? Coz no one cares about yr bs rehashed opinions.
Trust me the game is not technically BETA from a development standpoint. The game functions and does what it's supposed to do. Server lag != whether a game is in BETA or not. Usually after a release of content a game needs to go through numerous optimizations with the released content until it hits a stable plateau.
The possibility here is that maybe ZOS hasn't had time to fix it because of pressure from other external shareholders. They may be trying to fix these bugs, but have a schedule to meet in terms of content. Sometimes unfortunately content release becomes greater than stability and quality of life fixes.
It's a huge evil. It sucks, but I'm 100% sure that ZOS is trying to work on it and do the best damage control they can eve with an insane schedule."What is your purpose here, Arisen? If you sought to live you had naught but run and hide yourself away. But then, tell me, child of man... what does it mean to live in truth? To wage war against the passing days? To pray to the unseen for a few breaths more? To raise grand cities from stone, and spawn new life in turn? Mankind has done this, yes, and more. But is the tapestry you weave truly of your own design?"Rhylarr - Lvl 30 - XBOX ONE - Aldmeri DominionFlowki Engarson - Lvl 22 - XBOX ONE - Daggerfall ConvenantConcenaros - Lvl 24 - XBOX ONE - Ebonheart PactTargoth Gro'Urgash - Lvl 8 - XBOX ONE - Dagerfall Covenant0 -
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✭✭✭✭Problems with ESO
Cyrodiil lags
Maelstrom lags
Class balance lol
Magic>>>>>>>>>stamina
5000 crowns for portable banker
Eric Wrobel
AOE CAPS
Prox det
Group finder once again worthless
So many broken things I'm sure I'm missing some
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Reevster✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Problems with ESO
Cyrodiil lags
Maelstrom lags
Class balance lol
Magic>>>>>>>>>stamina
5000 crowns for portable banker
Eric Wrobel
AOE CAPS
Prox det
Group finder once again worthless
So many broken things I'm sure I'm missing some
Ya every other game has similar issues , some worst some better. Show me a MMO that has Zero issues and I will give you a cookie....
Wait a min Wrobel works on other games?
Dont know, maybe he does....0 -
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✭✭✭Concenaros wrote: »oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »[snip] The current performance of ESO is more horrendous than horrendous! Tons of bugs are still out there, severe lag is getting worse in Cyrodiil and is spreading to PVE, notably Maelstorm Arena, and there are random server crashes. However, ,money was spent on a lot of advertisements including a video ad which is, well to say the least, not very impressive. We were promised tons of "improvements" before the TD, and I know a lot of players bought their promises and spent a lot more money at the TD launch. You have to take a few shots to really say things are still acceptable in this game. My girlfriend watched me playing this game the day after the TD launch, and she said "WOW, after 2 years this game still feels like BETA"......
Moderator edit - post edited to remove political references
Coming from someone who knows nothing about game development.
If its so bad and still just a beta why the hell are you here? Coz no one cares about yr bs rehashed opinions.
Trust me the game is not technically BETA from a development standpoint. The game functions and does what it's supposed to do. Server lag != whether a game is in BETA or not. Usually after a release of content a game needs to go through numerous optimizations with the released content until it hits a stable plateau.
The possibility here is that maybe ZOS hasn't had time to fix it because of pressure from other external shareholders. They may be trying to fix these bugs, but have a schedule to meet in terms of content. Sometimes unfortunately content release becomes greater than stability and quality of life fixes.
It's a huge evil. It sucks, but I'm 100% sure that ZOS is trying to work on it and do the best damage control they can eve with an insane schedule.
They have said its a difficult nut to crack. I agree eith you tho. Like rich lambert said they can do anything but they cant do everything. PVP cannot be the only priority or the game will go bankrupt.0 -
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✭✭✭Problems with ESO
Cyrodiil lags
Maelstrom lags
Class balance lol
Magic>>>>>>>>>stamina
5000 crowns for portable banker
Eric Wrobel
AOE CAPS
Prox det
Group finder once again worthless
So many broken things I'm sure I'm missing some
Ya every other game has similar issues , some worst some better. Show me a MMO that has Zero issues and I will give you a cookie....
That is a general software issue, especially any software that regular gets updates and new features.
Apple is the most valuable company in the world, but:
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/28/technology/iphone-safari-bug/index.html
Apple regularly releases updates with major bugs. I'm pretty sure they test those updates like crazy. Software is hard when it gets large and complex.
Of course, lag is a different thing. It isn't a bug. It could be a configuration problem or just poor design choices (esp if we included choices like pop cap # as part of design).0 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
When the game launched I was frustrated because it would jump up to 100'ish. Now it's just infuriating to sit at a ping of 200-4k+. They should employ fewer community managers and moderators to hire a few good network engineers. The community managers have little to no contribution to making a good game. Is Gina awesome? Sure! But good engineers, writers, artists and designers with an ounce of vision are better which is exactly what this game needs.
I have nothing against anyone on the community staff in particular but if it were my decision and a choice had to be made I would definitely without a shadow of a doubt understaff a "community" team to hire engineers. Most games have non-paid moderators so they can focus resources on making the game better.2 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
There's a reason why they didn't show Cyrodiil by itself. Combining the data was a way of sweeping it under the rug.5 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
There's a reason why they didn't show Cyrodiil by itself. Combining the data was a way of sweeping it under the rug.
I was responding to people who claim everyone has massive lag no matter where they are in the game. Seems like tho if everyone had 1000+ ms latency in cyrodill those numbers would be higher.0 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
There's a reason why they didn't show Cyrodiil by itself. Combining the data was a way of sweeping it under the rug.
I was responding to people who claim everyone has massive lag no matter where they are in the game. Seems like tho if everyone had 1000+ ms latency in cyrodill those numbers would be higher.
Well, 1000+ latency is a sign of straight up server failure. That's not going to be the average and if it were ZOS should really hire some new engineers. Below 100ms on the mainland US is acceptable and we have seen it in ESO in the past. I want to say that I had around 40-60 near launch.
Also, they didn't mention if they threw out the outliers in the data. It's common for metrics to be skewed to favor a point of view. Everything that Zenimax says and does is damage control from what I've seen. If they put as much effort into fixing the problems that occur rather than sweeping them under the rug or trying to bury them we wouldn't be in this predicament.
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
There's a reason why they didn't show Cyrodiil by itself. Combining the data was a way of sweeping it under the rug.
I was responding to people who claim everyone has massive lag no matter where they are in the game. Seems like tho if everyone had 1000+ ms latency in cyrodill those numbers would be higher.
Well, 1000+ latency is a sign of straight up server failure. That's not going to be the average and if it were ZOS should really hire some new engineers. Below 100ms on the mainland US is acceptable and we have seen it in ESO in the past. I want to say that I had around 40-60 near launch.
Also, they didn't mention if they threw out the outliers in the data. It's common for metrics to be skewed to favor a point of view. Everything that Zenimax says and does is damage control from what I've seen. If they put as much effort into fixing the problems that occur rather than sweeping them under the rug or trying to bury them we wouldn't be in this predicament.
I believe the people who claim to have 999+ latency have bigger issues than anything ESO can fix.3 -
AOECAPS✭✭✭✭Problems with ESO
Cyrodiil lags
Maelstrom lags
Class balance lol
Magic>>>>>>>>>stamina
5000 crowns for portable banker
Eric Wrobel
AOE CAPS
Prox det
Group finder once again worthless
So many broken things I'm sure I'm missing some
Ya every other game has similar issues , some worst some better. Show me a MMO that has Zero issues and I will give you a cookie....
Wrobel that you?1 -
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That's precious no need to kiss ZOS ass doe the million dollars and crown give away was a month + ago4 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
There's a reason why they didn't show Cyrodiil by itself. Combining the data was a way of sweeping it under the rug.
I was responding to people who claim everyone has massive lag no matter where they are in the game. Seems like tho if everyone had 1000+ ms latency in cyrodill those numbers would be higher.
Well, 1000+ latency is a sign of straight up server failure. That's not going to be the average and if it were ZOS should really hire some new engineers. Below 100ms on the mainland US is acceptable and we have seen it in ESO in the past. I want to say that I had around 40-60 near launch.
Also, they didn't mention if they threw out the outliers in the data. It's common for metrics to be skewed to favor a point of view. Everything that Zenimax says and does is damage control from what I've seen. If they put as much effort into fixing the problems that occur rather than sweeping them under the rug or trying to bury them we wouldn't be in this predicament.
I believe the people who claim to have 999+ latency have bigger issues than anything ESO can fix.
999+ latency in Cyrodiil is server failure. Zenimax can most definitely find the source of the problem and communicate to the community what is happening. We are customers after all. Remember that.
This is not user error.2 -
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✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS just showed their metrics and the majority of people average 100ms ping across the entire game. Their metrics include cyrodill too btw.
There's a reason why they didn't show Cyrodiil by itself. Combining the data was a way of sweeping it under the rug.
I was responding to people who claim everyone has massive lag no matter where they are in the game. Seems like tho if everyone had 1000+ ms latency in cyrodill those numbers would be higher.
Well, 1000+ latency is a sign of straight up server failure. That's not going to be the average and if it were ZOS should really hire some new engineers. Below 100ms on the mainland US is acceptable and we have seen it in ESO in the past. I want to say that I had around 40-60 near launch.
Also, they didn't mention if they threw out the outliers in the data. It's common for metrics to be skewed to favor a point of view. Everything that Zenimax says and does is damage control from what I've seen. If they put as much effort into fixing the problems that occur rather than sweeping them under the rug or trying to bury them we wouldn't be in this predicament.
I believe the people who claim to have 999+ latency have bigger issues than anything ESO can fix.
999+ latency in Cyrodiil is server failure. Zenimax can most definitely find the source of the problem and communicate to the community what is happening. We are customers after all. Remember that.
This is not user error.
Sometimes I wonder about that.Edited by FLuFFyxMuFFiN on March 28, 2016 11:24PM0
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