IT'S NOT SOBER TO DEFEND THE STUDIO ANYMORE

Merlight · March 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

MMO devs always work to fix problems, but since we are not privy to what is going on behind the scenes and most of us are not gaming programmers, we have absolutely no idea how complex or detailed these 'problems' entail especially with a game so massive as ESO. ... But let's further be realistic and say that 'promises' made when the game was launched should be balanced with the reality that sometimes what you WANT to do, does not turn out to be what you CAN do... and it wouldn't surprise me if either the game engine or developer talent don't have what it takes to turn those 'promises' into reality.

“Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it?”

― Brian W. Kernighan

Morozov · March 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

RE THIS
I see two types of posts on these forums, generally from either PVPer's or PVE/RP/casuals. The ones who don't complain are the ones who spend 2 hours on this game a week in some secluded corner of the map where the server has 0 issues rendering because its you, a tree, and a mudcrab. So why would you complain? Of course theres no reason YOU would have issues. So that makes everything about this game OK? Working as intended?

WELL I spend a whole lot more than 2 hrs a week and a whole lot more place than outskirts, so your oversimplified and somewhat dismisdive characterization seems off base to m

RE THIS
I think that's a perfect reason to come here and vent

WELL Regardless of the merits at all of public venting, I wonder why the urge to go to GENERAL where you know a lot of those folks you dismissed, the 2hr exiles, are instead of to the whole forum PVP section. Venting to like minded floks who have shared experiences seems a lot more productive than repeatably doing it in a crowd of folks with different views. The lines between venting and inflicting, between release and agenda lay in there somewhere. Not sure where you fall.

PVPers vent in forums other than the PVP ones in the hopes that the Devs will see it. We do this because it has become clear that they don't listen to us let alone read anything in the PVP forums. It also reaches a larger reader base. If more people know about the current issues of the game, maybe the Dev's will push harder to do something about it? It has become clear to us however that they will cater to the casual player more since they are ZOS's cash-cow. If the cash-cow knows its being raised only for its beef, maybe it will begin to take issue with its eventual slaughter; if you catch my metaphor.

Yes I did generalize the casual player as one who stands on the outskirts of a map staring at a bush for most of the play time. If you look at the experience of someone in the PVE environment as opposed to the PVP environment you would see the difference. Come to dethrone an emperor on a pop-locked PVP server during prime time and tell me this game is "working as intended"

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Well to be fair the game is more than just pvp. So a lot of the game is running fine. I havent had any crashes in dungeons or group settings since the second day TG came out. PVE side is pretty stable.

Volkodav · March 2016

Morozov wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

The OP doesn't seem interested in understanding the people that don't agree with his perceptions of ZOS. A lot of us don't really care about Cyrodiil. It is something we do as a change of pace or to grind out skill unlocks. The majority of what we spend time on works fine.

People shouldn't delude themselves into thinking their experience is everyone's experience. You are exasperated with the game. I am quite satisfied with the game. It isn't about defending ZOS. It is about how we all feel about the game.

My main complaint is the unending skill rebalancing. I would like to see that stop. I don't ask them to stop it because I understand that they want to be responsive to (unending) complaints from PvP players about Cyrodiil balance. I'm not going to start a thread pretending that everyone should complain about skill rebalancing and everyone should tell ZOS to leave skill alone because I understand that there are other people with different opinions.

Does Cyrodiil have perfomance issues. Sure. I experienced some when I played this week, though it was improved from 2 months ago. Is that a big deal for me? Not at all. Cyrodiil is a minor activity for me. I was just there to unlock skills. So long as they keep putting out DLC and keep having periodic sales of 5500 crowns for $24, I'll be fine with the game.

so explain to me why it would be ok that only "Some" peoples experience is ok and "working as intended" and the other peoples experience is broken and laggy as all-get-out and why that's an OK thing.

Casual players don't complain cause what you have works; we complain because what we have doesn't.

I see two types of posts on these forums, generally from either PVPer's or PVE/RP/casuals. The ones who don't complain are the ones who spend 2 hours on this game a week in some secluded corner of the map where the server has 0 issues rendering because its you, a tree, and a mudcrab. So why would you complain? Of course theres no reason YOU would have issues. So that makes everything about this game OK? Working as intended?

So the game has an option for people who don't want to play casually...GREAT! PVP zone? Awesome!....but sorry, You will not be able to really enjoy it because whenever you want to play you will have to do it in 20 FPS or lower at a ping of 500+ with skills that are not balanced to make a fight not feel one sided and with skills that have in some cases been broken for well over a year.

When you go to work and only do half your job do you expect to get a pat on the back and an atta-boy! from the boss? I think that's a perfect reason to come here and vent and complain to ZOS that what they are doing is sub-par. Sadly, this is the only place where people can come to tell ZOS the issues, because they have not listened to the PVP community. AND THEY STILL DON'T LISTEN TO US HERE EITHER

Why do you refer to us non PvPers as " PVE/RP/casuals"?
I still dont get it.Can you tell me what you consider "casual players"?
A lot of us PvErs arent "casual",which means uncommitted,part time,on and off. I am like so many players,PvErs,who play at least four hours a day.That's not "casual",..that's dedicated,committed playing.More so than many PvPers. So many of them get upset and cry "I QUIT!!" or "Fix it or I quit!" if they dont get what they want.
Also,as to that bit:
" The ones who don't complain are the ones who spend 2 hours on this game a week in some secluded corner of the map where the server has 0 issues rendering because its you, a tree, and a mudcrab. So why would you complain? Of course theres no reason YOU would have issues. So that makes everything about this game OK? Working as intended?"

It's pure BS.I play up to five hours a day,and have no frigging issues. I play all over the map with my Vets,and I render far more than a da-mn mudcrab or a tree.I like seeing far into the distance,I like my grass to look nice,I like the water to reflect.My settings are all on High.
I think the reason so many people gripe so much is because they PvP and it isnt up to their standards.Fine.I can take that,no problem.
However,dont bi-tch because those who actually play the entire game dont have near as many big problems as the PvPers do.

Gamerscape2007 · March 2016

Lmfao At all the players defending this crap. Lets be real honest here. The lag problem is starting to affect pve too! You can deny it all you want, but it's true! You're just deluding yourself if you deny it. And the more they Keep pumping out Game Breaking Dlcs out the ass, the more unstable the game becomes. This isn't just about AOE Caps as much as Respect @FENGRUSH thought, because if it was, why is it affecting pve now? If Zos keep heading the direction they're heading by adding Dark brotherhood, the WHOLE GAME Is going to be affected. Not just pvpers, but Pvers, Crafters, Traders. Band aids are not going to heal a gaping wound, and it's time for you, Pvers you realized that.

Volkodav · March 2016

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Lmfao At all the players defending this crap. Lets be real honest here. The lag problem is starting to affect pve too! You can deny it all you want, but it's true! And the more they Keep pumping out Game Breaking Dlcs out the ass, the more unstable the game becomes. This isn't about AOE Caps as much as Respect @FENGRUSH thought, because if it was, why is it affecting pve now? If Zos keep heading the direction they're heading by adding Dark brotherhood, the WHOLE GAME Is going to be affected. Not just pvpers, but Pvers, Crafters, Traders. Band aids are not going to heal a gaping wound, and it's time for you, Pvers you realized that.

I can deny it because I dont see the lag. And I dont have to realize anything. You have no idea how the game is going to be effected with a new DLC,and you know it.Even if you wont admit it.You just want to sound like you know a lot.
Some of us want to whine about everything.That's just what they do.They cant find anything positive to say,and it makes me wonder why they're even playing ESO.
Others,for the most part love it and if they want to defend it against those who seem to want it to tank,it's their right.
Go on,laugh all you want.Who are you anyway.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

I have 100ms ping average anywhere outside of cyrodill. once I hit cyrodill it goes up to 300-400ms which to me makes it unplayable. So I understand the complaints from the pvp crowd about the lag.

Volkodav · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I have 100ms ping average anywhere outside of cyrodill. once I hit cyrodill it goes up to 300-400ms which to me makes it unplayable. So I understand the complaints from the pvp crowd about the lag.

Oh,I do too,really I do.I just get my hackles up when people rank on those of us who defend ESO so strongly. XD
They seem to get mad or think we are stupid if we have no problems,or want to stand up for either the Devs or the game itself.

ZOS_MollyH · March 2016

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Gamerscape2007 · March 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Lmfao At all the players defending this crap. Lets be real honest here. The lag problem is starting to affect pve too! You can deny it all you want, but it's true! And the more they Keep pumping out Game Breaking Dlcs out the ass, the more unstable the game becomes. This isn't about AOE Caps as much as Respect @FENGRUSH thought, because if it was, why is it affecting pve now? If Zos keep heading the direction they're heading by adding Dark brotherhood, the WHOLE GAME Is going to be affected. Not just pvpers, but Pvers, Crafters, Traders. Band aids are not going to heal a gaping wound, and it's time for you, Pvers you realized that.

I can deny it because I dont see the lag. And I dont have to realize anything. You have no idea how the game is going to be effected with a new DLC,and you know it.Even if you wont admit it.You just want to sound like you know a lot.
Some of us want to whine about everything.That's just what they do.They cant find anything positive to say,and it makes me wonder why they're even playing ESO.
Others,for the most part love it and if they want to defend it against those who seem to want it to tank,it's their right.
Go on,laugh all you want.Who are you anyway.

Volkodav wrote: »

I can deny it because I dont see the lag. And I dont have to realize anything.

Then you're deluding yourself for the sake of defending Zos no matter the cost.

Volkodav wrote: »

You have no idea how the game is going to be effected with a new DLC,and you know it.

How about the recent Thieves guild patch? That made the game worse. How about orsinium? That made the game worse. I know because they constantly screw something up. And ask every other Players out there, and they'll tell you the same thing.

Volkodav wrote: »

Some of us want to whine about everything.That's just what they do.They cant find anything positive to say,and it makes me wonder why they're even playing ESO.

That, my friend, is tough love criticism. I know it's hard for you pvers to comprehend, but bare with me. We actually care about the game. This game has the potential to be a great mmo. But Eso won't reach that potential if they constantly make the game preform worse. That's why we're so hard on them, we want the game to succeed. But catering to the pvers, or any placerbase for that matter is not the way to go.

Volkodav wrote: »

Others,for the most part love it and if they want to defend it against those who seem to want it to tank,it's their right.
Go on,laugh all you want.Who are you anyway.

And more power to them. But that shouldn't excuse them for ignoring the problems of the game.

STEVIL · March 2016

Morozov wrote: »

PVPers vent in forums other than the PVP ones in the hopes that the Devs will see it. We do this because it has become clear that they don't listen to us let alone read anything in the PVP forums. It also reaches a larger reader base. If more people know about the current issues of the game, maybe the Dev's will push harder to do something about it? It has become clear to us however that they will cater to the casual player more since they are ZOS's cash-cow. If the cash-cow knows its being raised only for its beef, maybe it will begin to take issue with its eventual slaughter; if you catch my metaphor.

WELL to be blunt, how's that been working so far?

I read these forums for a long time b4 registering to comment and the incessant repetition of hostile posts kept me away for a long time, posting wise. It seems to me like its not raising the standing of pvp and thrir isdues but rsther diminishes them. Seems like it would be better served to seek allisnce, common ground than hostility and venom that seems to feel intended to force others to feel your pain and deriding the people you claim are the profit source of the gsme.

If you spent more time trying to get these folks you dismiss into pvp, with more newbie friendly efforts, forging more of a bondvwith the casuals, you would maybe see the profile of pvp raised and more attention to the issues.

Buts thay how this multi-v16 max cp player who posts positive stuff so i must judt play 2 hrs a week on the outskirts feels.

Tandor · March 2016

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Lmfao At all the players defending this crap. Lets be real honest here. The lag problem is starting to affect pve too! You can deny it all you want, but it's true! You're just deluding yourself if you deny it. And the more they Keep pumping out Game Breaking Dlcs out the ass, the more unstable the game becomes. This isn't just about AOE Caps as much as Respect @FENGRUSH thought, because if it was, why is it affecting pve now? If Zos keep heading the direction they're heading by adding Dark brotherhood, the WHOLE GAME Is going to be affected. Not just pvpers, but Pvers, Crafters, Traders. Band aids are not going to heal a gaping wound, and it's time for you, Pvers you realized that.

It isn't a case of players denying that lag is starting to affect PvE as stating that they haven't experienced it themselves. A lot of players simply don't have any performance issues with the game, and while they entirely understand that some players do - especially PvPers - and are keen for such issues to be fixed, they dislike generalisations being made about the issues and the implication that those like themselves who report having no issues are in some way being dishonest or delusioned.

WatchYourSixx · March 2016

I play ESO on a daily basis, over 6 hours a day. I do anything from PvE to RP to questing, or the occasional trip to Cyrodiil or IC. I play on PC NA, on a solid computer build that provides 50-60 fps everywhere i go.

I get the occasional disconnect from the server, or a crash here and there.. but ive never had anything game breaking. I can do leaderboard runs for trials, group dungeons, pledges, IC sewers or a keep battle here and there. No lag at all. The only lag I ever get is from my *** internet at college. I also have noticed a recent problem with a memory leak over time, but restarting the game makes it go away.

Other than the things listed above (which are such a minimal part of those 42+ hours a week), I can play the game how I want where I want. I've been to nearly every zone in the past week, and definitely been everywhere since TG was released. My experience with the game has been seamlessly lag free. I avoid major zergs in PvP because you know thats gonna be laggy. However, I can do keep battles with 40-50 people fighting, and no lag.

Not everyone's experience is the same, and I REALLY dont get why people think that if it affects you it affects everyone else.

My 2 cents.

Gamerscape2007 · March 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Lmfao At all the players defending this crap. Lets be real honest here. The lag problem is starting to affect pve too! You can deny it all you want, but it's true! You're just deluding yourself if you deny it. And the more they Keep pumping out Game Breaking Dlcs out the ass, the more unstable the game becomes. This isn't just about AOE Caps as much as Respect @FENGRUSH thought, because if it was, why is it affecting pve now? If Zos keep heading the direction they're heading by adding Dark brotherhood, the WHOLE GAME Is going to be affected. Not just pvpers, but Pvers, Crafters, Traders. Band aids are not going to heal a gaping wound, and it's time for you, Pvers you realized that.

It isn't a case of players denying that lag is starting to affect PvE as stating that they haven't experienced it themselves. A lot of players simply don't have any performance issues with the game, and while they entirely understand that some players do - especially PvPers - and are keen for such issues to be fixed, they dislike generalisations being made about the issues and the implication that those like themselves who report having no issues are in some way being dishonest or delusioned.

Ok, Maybe I am overgeneralizing, but my point still stands. I promise you, the Dark brotherhood will break this game even more. Thieves guild was just a tip of the iceberg.

MakTheEater · March 2016

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

My girlfriend watched me playing this game the day after the TD launch, and she said "WOW, after 2 years this game still feels like BETA"......

This. When I kept complaining in the last year people kept saying "If you don't like the game then go away". I always hated the fact that ZOS is always ready to create a 20$ DLC every 3 months but NEVER do what the users want or fix things. I love the fact that there are still the infinite loading screens (one of the reason that made me stop playing). And what about the barber shop? Jesus, you have only to show the character creation screen and change the "Create button" to bit different "Change button". You don't have to create 9999999999999999999 lines of code. Then why is it taking so long? Seriously, I can understand that people like this game, but you CAN'T defend it. I hope that at least the gear balance problem is fixed now.

Gamerscape2007 · March 2016

MakTheEater wrote: »

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

My girlfriend watched me playing this game the day after the TD launch, and she said "WOW, after 2 years this game still feels like BETA"......

This. When I kept complaining in the last year people kept saying "If you don't like the game then go away". I always hated the fact that ZOS is always ready to create a 20$ DLC every 3 months but NEVER do what the users want or fix things. I love the fact that there are still the infinite loading screens (one of the reason that made me stop playing). And what about the barber shop? Jesus, you have only to show the character creation screen and change the "Create button" to bit different "Change button". You don't have to create 9999999999999999999 lines of code. Then why is it taking so long? Seriously, I can understand that people like this game, but you CAN'T defend it. I hope that at least the gear balance problem is fixed now.

Pffffft. Not even close @MakTheEater Today's meta is Vicious death and Proxi Det In Pvp. That's just all everyone running now, it's sad. Pve wise? I still feel that magicka is stronger than Stam.

jgrinsteadb14_ESO · March 2016

Performance is dismal. X64 client is not even stable enough for an alpha test. X32 client has absolutely horrible performance.

Addons contribute to dismal performance. Maybe Zenimax could spend a couple of days and make a decent default UI.

Considering the game used to have better optimization, it should be possible to rehire the programmers who knew what they were doing to come in and fix it.

Thealteregoroman · March 2016

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Such rage. Much neck beard. Seriously peeps. It's a form of entertainment. If you're not entertained, move along.

OMG right!?!?!?!?! Just......

rotaugen454 · March 2016

I must be drinking a lot, as I still enjoy the game after two years. If I didn't, I would simply move on. I've had some fun in PvP, but it usually ends up being a VR16 zerg just rolling through. I've only had a few battles that were actually kind of even. The lag does make it difficult to use specific skills at times.
I occasionally see lag in PvE, but most of the time I don't. I spend the majority of my time in PvE, so I'm happy with the game at the moment. If I were a dedicated PvPer, I'd look elsewhere, assuming there is a better alternative out there.

Krist · March 2016

PvP lag does occur, but usually because the servers are full. That does not excuse the fact that lag happens, but it does tell us that not near as many folks are upset about it as one would think. How do I know? Because the servers are always full, which is what causes the lag.

I do not wander off into isolated areas. I find the zergs in PvP so I can get some easy kills with the stragglers. I join the big battles though I usually stay solo when I do, but seldom have a problem with the lag. While it at times can be an issue, that I am sure ZOS is still trying to work on, it is not a game killing thing. To dismiss people like me as not knowing anything about it or obviously never around large crowds is ridiculous. I often wonder if it isn't the players machines or their own ISP that is the problem, because people complain about it when I am not having any issues, in PvP and PvE.

Anyway, I think there is far more to it than "ZOS just never wants to fix anything".

Also, there are cheats that people run that cause lag. I have been around 2 players that it did not matter what was going on, as soon as they came near the lag started. Even if they were hidden you knew they were near. I was told that they were cheats, but I cannot say personally that I know for sure, seems right considering.

ButtersEP · March 2016

My main character, (Sorc v16) has been unable to "resurrect here" I can only way shrine or get revived from another player, pretty annoying ! Not to mention all the lag, crashes, and character freezes. I really like ESO, but come on man !

Tyrac · March 2016

Please stop making new content and/or crown store items... Fix the game

Arobain · March 2016

i play pvp and pve, and i actually lead large groups through sieges in pvp, i've yet to meet gamebreaking bugs, or abnormal lag, carry on complaining

Volkodav · March 2016

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Lmfao At all the players defending this crap. Lets be real honest here. The lag problem is starting to affect pve too! You can deny it all you want, but it's true! And the more they Keep pumping out Game Breaking Dlcs out the ass, the more unstable the game becomes. This isn't about AOE Caps as much as Respect @FENGRUSH thought, because if it was, why is it affecting pve now? If Zos keep heading the direction they're heading by adding Dark brotherhood, the WHOLE GAME Is going to be affected. Not just pvpers, but Pvers, Crafters, Traders. Band aids are not going to heal a gaping wound, and it's time for you, Pvers you realized that.

I can deny it because I dont see the lag. And I dont have to realize anything. You have no idea how the game is going to be effected with a new DLC,and you know it.Even if you wont admit it.You just want to sound like you know a lot.
Some of us want to whine about everything.That's just what they do.They cant find anything positive to say,and it makes me wonder why they're even playing ESO.
Others,for the most part love it and if they want to defend it against those who seem to want it to tank,it's their right.
Go on,laugh all you want.Who are you anyway.

Volkodav wrote: »

I can deny it because I dont see the lag. And I dont have to realize anything.

Then you're deluding yourself for the sake of defending Zos no matter the cost.

Volkodav wrote: »

You have no idea how the game is going to be effected with a new DLC,and you know it.

How about the recent Thieves guild patch? That made the game worse. How about orsinium? That made the game worse. I know because they constantly screw something up. And ask every other Players out there, and they'll tell you the same thing.

Volkodav wrote: »

Some of us want to whine about everything.That's just what they do.They cant find anything positive to say,and it makes me wonder why they're even playing ESO.

That, my friend, is tough love criticism. I know it's hard for you pvers to comprehend, but bare with me. We actually care about the game. This game has the potential to be a great mmo. But Eso won't reach that potential if they constantly make the game preform worse. That's why we're so hard on them, we want the game to succeed. But catering to the pvers, or any placerbase for that matter is not the way to go.

Volkodav wrote: »

Others,for the most part love it and if they want to defend it against those who seem to want it to tank,it's their right.
Go on,laugh all you want.Who are you anyway.

And more power to them. But that shouldn't excuse them for ignoring the problems of the game.

Wait,..have you asked every other player out there?? Wow!!
That's an achievement!
(dont speak for people you dont know or have never seen.It doesnt make you look smart.)
Look,..I understand about PvP problems,I really do.I can see how lag would be bad if you are trying to kill another player,or if you a re in as 50 people guild run.I also understand about going on about the devs,but those of us who dont want to bash them shouldnt be bashed ourselves for it.And I wish things were different for PvPers. I am only taking exception to those people who call us White-Knighters,or fanboys.It's insulting.Besides,I'm not a boy.
And I honestly cant agree with you about Orsinium and The Thieve's Guild.I just cant.I mean,if I had the problems others have,I would agree,but,please forgive me if I say that I dont. I swear I dont have them.
The only issue I have had was when I had to buy a new video card,but everyone was right.I needed to upgrade my card if I want to continue playing these sorts of games.

Tholian1 · March 2016

Last night I was noticing some substantial drops in my frame rate on PS4 with some sound issues as well. Abah's Landing also seems to take a long time to fully render textures. The zone might need some optimization for the hardware, but there has been no crashing and the game is still very playable for me.

Palidon · March 2016

I am done with Cyrodiil top side. It is completely unplayable at peak times or during large scale fights. Heck many times I could not even use my skills or switch bars the lag was so bad. I will stay in the sewers and IC where at least I can play the game.

ZOS has all but destroyed Cyrodiil and that was the big draw for Elder Scrolls Online. It is a sorry state of affairs that they have neglected PvP.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · March 2016

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Lmfao At all the players defending this crap. Lets be real honest here. The lag problem is starting to affect pve too! You can deny it all you want, but it's true! And the more they Keep pumping out Game Breaking Dlcs out the ass, the more unstable the game becomes. This isn't about AOE Caps as much as Respect @FENGRUSH thought, because if it was, why is it affecting pve now? If Zos keep heading the direction they're heading by adding Dark brotherhood, the WHOLE GAME Is going to be affected. Not just pvpers, but Pvers, Crafters, Traders. Band aids are not going to heal a gaping wound, and it's time for you, Pvers you realized that.

I can deny it because I dont see the lag. And I dont have to realize anything. You have no idea how the game is going to be effected with a new DLC,and you know it.Even if you wont admit it.You just want to sound like you know a lot.
Some of us want to whine about everything.That's just what they do.They cant find anything positive to say,and it makes me wonder why they're even playing ESO.
Others,for the most part love it and if they want to defend it against those who seem to want it to tank,it's their right.
Go on,laugh all you want.Who are you anyway.

Volkodav wrote: »

I can deny it because I dont see the lag. And I dont have to realize anything.

Then you're deluding yourself for the sake of defending Zos no matter the cost.

Volkodav wrote: »

You have no idea how the game is going to be effected with a new DLC,and you know it.

How about the recent Thieves guild patch? That made the game worse. How about orsinium? That made the game worse. I know because they constantly screw something up. And ask every other Players out there, and they'll tell you the same thing.

Volkodav wrote: »

Some of us want to whine about everything.That's just what they do.They cant find anything positive to say,and it makes me wonder why they're even playing ESO.

That, my friend, is tough love criticism. I know it's hard for you pvers to comprehend, but bare with me. We actually care about the game. This game has the potential to be a great mmo. But Eso won't reach that potential if they constantly make the game preform worse. That's why we're so hard on them, we want the game to succeed. But catering to the pvers, or any placerbase for that matter is not the way to go.

Volkodav wrote: »

Others,for the most part love it and if they want to defend it against those who seem to want it to tank,it's their right.
Go on,laugh all you want.Who are you anyway.

And more power to them. But that shouldn't excuse them for ignoring the problems of the game.

You can go ahead and ask me about what the thieves guild patch did to the game and I will tell you the exact opposite of what you think every single other player out there will say. I am not experiencing any crashes since the release of TG and I have minimal lag issues. Am I defending the game? Yes. Am I going to stop? Hell no. I love the game and I want to see it do better. Sure it isn't perfect but it certainly isn't broken as a lot of people claim it to be. I have said this before and I will say it again. If you don't like it then get out. Nobody is keeping you here. Call me a "Fanboy" or a "White Knight" if you will but I am not gonna stop defending this game until I see a reason to and as of right now the game is doing pretty good and I think many others will agree. So you guys can continue your cute little protests and "Im quitting" threads hoping you will make a difference. But in reality you won't. Every MMO has these threads. Many new players will take your place. One more question for you. If the game is just so broken then why am I able to log in and play the game without any issues preventing it? And how can I play for hours a day with no crashes? The performance is better now than it was 2 month ago on my end.

Concenaros · March 2016

I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that ZOS isn't trying to actually work on the issues affecting the game.

Do you understand what game development actually entails? I'm pretty sure they have a dedicated team trying to pinpoint the causes of the lag issues and they're probably stressed beyond belief trying to deliver it in a timely manner. Sometimes creating a patch to fix an issue can take a massive amount of time as they first need to find out what the cause of the issue is, then they need to actually fix it.

Any major fix to the game first has to then be tested extensively to make sure it doesn't produce knock on issues or to determine if it actually fixes the issue completely.

I'm pretty sure in the case of this fix ZOS doesn't want to just apply a band-aid and spot fix it, only to find out the next time they release a DLC that the issue re-emerges and throws the community into a frenzy again.

What we can do is try to assist ZOS by giving them detailed reports of happenings within Cyrodill and providing them with useful information to attempt to fix the issue. Not create forum threads that just lead to toxicity within the community and specifically flame ZOS for 'not fixing' the issue.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · March 2016

Concenaros wrote: »

I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that ZOS isn't trying to actually work on the issues affecting the game.

Do you understand what game development actually entails? I'm pretty sure they have a dedicated team trying to pinpoint the causes of the lag issues and they're probably stressed beyond belief trying to deliver it in a timely manner. Sometimes creating a patch to fix an issue can take a massive amount of time as they first need to find out what the cause of the issue is, then they need to actually fix it.

Any major fix to the game first has to then be tested extensively to make sure it doesn't produce knock on issues or to determine if it actually fixes the issue completely.

I'm pretty sure in the case of this fix ZOS doesn't want to just apply a band-aid and spot fix it, only to find out the next time they release a DLC that the issue re-emerges and throws the community into a frenzy again.

What we can do is try to assist ZOS by giving them detailed reports of happenings within Cyrodill and providing them with useful information to attempt to fix the issue. Not create forum threads that just lead to toxicity within the community and specifically flame ZOS for 'not fixing' the issue.

"But if we are hard on them they will fix it faster" QQ
"Stop defending ZOS they are the antichrist" QQ
"Fix this or I Quit" QQ

I agree with you but more than half of this thread is filled with people who just want to hate on ZOS. God forbid an MMO has bugs. Especially when a new DLC is released.

Concenaros · March 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Concenaros wrote: »

I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that ZOS isn't trying to actually work on the issues affecting the game.

Do you understand what game development actually entails? I'm pretty sure they have a dedicated team trying to pinpoint the causes of the lag issues and they're probably stressed beyond belief trying to deliver it in a timely manner. Sometimes creating a patch to fix an issue can take a massive amount of time as they first need to find out what the cause of the issue is, then they need to actually fix it.

Any major fix to the game first has to then be tested extensively to make sure it doesn't produce knock on issues or to determine if it actually fixes the issue completely.

I'm pretty sure in the case of this fix ZOS doesn't want to just apply a band-aid and spot fix it, only to find out the next time they release a DLC that the issue re-emerges and throws the community into a frenzy again.

What we can do is try to assist ZOS by giving them detailed reports of happenings within Cyrodill and providing them with useful information to attempt to fix the issue. Not create forum threads that just lead to toxicity within the community and specifically flame ZOS for 'not fixing' the issue.

"But if we are hard on them they will fix it faster" QQ
"Stop defending ZOS they are the antichrist" QQ
"Fix this or I Quit" QQ

I agree with you but more than half of this thread is filled with people who just want to hate on ZOS. God forbid an MMO has bugs. Especially when a new DLC is released.

Yeah I'm actually kind of sad to see this. But there's generally this niche within each MMO community. I guess it takes all kinds.