So they announce PVP arenas and battlegrounds are coming and noone talks about it?
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✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Killa4hire89 wrote: »Wow, all you snowflakes whining because your OP FOTM build may get nerfed in the name of balance. Balance is a good thing. The only people not wanting arenas, duels, or frankly any kind of small scale PvP are zerglings and pugs. People have asked for it and it is a good change. Pve'ers and zerglings need to [snip]
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Thank you for this much needed reality check. There are a couple of guys in this thread badmouthing arenas as if nobody wants them.. LOL, what nonsense. Players have been begging for duels/arenas since the game launched!
Right ya that was why I made this thread in the first place. I was surprised noone had mentioned they went from something they plan on doing eventually but no ETA to its in active development but still no ETA. I think we can safely assume they are for sure coming now and probably by the end of this year if we are lucky. They never gave an ETA tho so who knows.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on March 28, 2016 9:08PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »I'll just leave this here. 2014 footage.
https://youtu.be/HMzrkRluWbU
https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2wwqw6/discussion_possible_pvp_options_coming_to_eso/
I'd love to hear anything from the official side about this arena that was used 2 years ago and why it has been dismissed.
Seemed like a pretty solid thing to me back then.Susano'o
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✭✭✭I'd love to hear anything from the official side about this arena that was used 2 years ago and why it has been dismissed. Seemed like a pretty solid thing to me back then.
This was from Quakecon 2014. Everything has changed since then. Also this was simply discussed as a possibility and not that it was for sure coming.
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✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I'd love to hear anything from the official side about this arena that was used 2 years ago and why it has been dismissed. Seemed like a pretty solid thing to me back then.
This was from Quakecon 2014. Everything has changed since then. Also this was simply discussed as a possibility and not that it was for sure coming.
Doesn't change the fact that this arena existed at some point and was never heard of again afaik.Susano'o
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I'd love to hear anything from the official side about this arena that was used 2 years ago and why it has been dismissed. Seemed like a pretty solid thing to me back then.
This was from Quakecon 2014. Everything has changed since then. Also this was simply discussed as a possibility and not that it was for sure coming.
Doesn't change the fact that this arena existed at some point and was never heard of again afaik.
Right because things change. This was a plan from 2014 that was never implemented. It happens. Its also why they tend not to show us stuff because then people say they promised to put it in the game.0 -
HenryIvan✭✭✭Too funny the one comment on this thread from zos is telling us all to behave, but they totally ignore the question about arena's so there's your answer it aint coming ever!2 -
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We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
Apparently you failed to see or remember the PVP promos for ESO. As Fengrush stated, it was for large scale pvp hence that was the main focus of their promotional videos. He doesn't need to say it, nor do I or anyone but the promotional videos they created were focused on that. Evidence?
Go to their Youtube channel and watch the promos from way back then.Trueflame or Haderus NA PC AD
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✭✭✭Too funny the one comment on this thread from zos is telling us all to behave, but they totally ignore the question about arena's so there's your answer it aint coming ever!
They just had a discussion about them on ESO live march 25th. They are for sure coming but like usual no ETA. They are in active development tho and we havent heard them say that before. They always used workds like "possibly" or "its something we would like to do but we arent actively working on it" before.0 -
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We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
Apparently you failed to see or remember the PVP promos for ESO. As Fengrush stated, it was for large scale pvp hence that was the main focus of their promotional videos. He doesn't need to say it, nor do I or anyone but the promotional videos they created were focused on that. Evidence?
Go to their Youtube channel and watch the promos from way back then.
I think you are confusing the three alliance thing with being only PVP. The three alliance thing is across the entire game including PVE. The whole point of gold and silver is to experience the other factions.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on March 28, 2016 10:13PM0 -
JadeNaria✭✭✭Too funny the one comment on this thread from zos is telling us all to behave, but they totally ignore the question about arena's so there's your answer it aint coming ever!
Business as usual
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JubJub✭✭✭Why do people even want arenas? They're just going to end up complaing about balance then demand more unneeded nerfs...3
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✭There isn't really any real good reason not to have some sort of arena combat, as far as I can tell. A lot people say "balance" but I don't really buy that, why would putting an equal amount of players against each other create imbalances? It's almost like ZOS is afraid of the amount of statistical data that could be used from arenas, to help balance the game..
The IC districts are worthless, make them into the small scale everyone wants.
Obviously, after Cyro's lag is fixed...........
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✭✭✭There isn't really any real good reason not to have some sort of arena combat, as far as I can tell. A lot people say "balance" but I don't really buy that, why would putting an equal amount of players against each other create imbalances? It's almost like ZOS is afraid of the amount of statistical data that could be used from arenas, to help balance the game..
The IC districts are worthless, make them into the small scale everyone wants.
Obviously, after Cyro's lag is fixed...........
I just wonder if the arenas and battlegrounds will be in cyrodill or their own area. Im betting at least the arenas will be in IC to get people to purchase it who passed before now.0 -
rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.Loki Ironheart
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✭✭✭rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.Loki Ironheart
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✭✭✭rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on March 28, 2016 11:19PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There isn't really any real good reason not to have some sort of arena combat, as far as I can tell. A lot people say "balance" but I don't really buy that, why would putting an equal amount of players against each other create imbalances? It's almost like ZOS is afraid of the amount of statistical data that could be used from arenas, to help balance the game..
The IC districts are worthless, make them into the small scale everyone wants.
Obviously, after Cyro's lag is fixed...........
Look at other games that have done it. Going from more numbers of players fighting to a smaller amount amplifies balance issues. In SWTOR right now, all 8 classes are viable in warzones. In arenas, 3 are actually competitive but I think 1 of those got needed out, another 3 are meh, and 2 are absolutely intolerable to play unless you're group actively protects the bell out of you.
Oh, and I too came to ESO for the PVP. Found the game awful in beta until I hit level 10. And it's the reason I linger is its the only game that's really doing it now with a good siege engine.1 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the warEdited by rich.magab14a_ESO on March 28, 2016 11:33PMLoki Ironheart
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✭✭✭rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the war
Im talking about the story. The three factions vying for power etc. It isnt 100% about the pvp aspect. I just dont get people. This game was always marketed as a PVE game with PVP in it. Launched with how many zones and only one was PVP enabled. So I just cannot fathom how people thought it was a pvp game like say BDO.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the war
Im talking about the story. The three factions vying for power etc. It isnt 100% about the pvp aspect. I just dont get people. This game was always marketed as a PVE game with PVP in it. Launched with how many zones and only one was PVP enabled. So I just cannot fathom how people thought it was a pvp game like say BDO.
Maybe the same way you think BDO is a PVP game.1 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the war
Im talking about the story. The three factions vying for power etc. It isnt 100% about the pvp aspect. I just dont get people. This game was always marketed as a PVE game with PVP in it. Launched with how many zones and only one was PVP enabled. So I just cannot fathom how people thought it was a pvp game like say BDO.
Maybe the same way you think BDO is a PVP game.
I take it you havent played BDO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H318zfcN7Ho
Video of my friends and I in BDO.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on March 28, 2016 11:45PM0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the war
Im talking about the story. The three factions vying for power etc. It isnt 100% about the pvp aspect. I just dont get people. This game was always marketed as a PVE game with PVP in it. Launched with how many zones and only one was PVP enabled. So I just cannot fathom how people thought it was a pvp game like say BDO.
If PvE content was really marketed like you said there would have been high end cinemtics featuring 3 different Alliance Zones. For example a cinematic of the battle fighting the Brothers of Strife, The reachmen invading glenumbra, a battle against the veiled heritence. They did none of that, they chose cyrodil and the imperial city as their back drop. They bragged of massive battle and their mega server and the chance for players to become emp.Loki Ironheart
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We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
Apparently you failed to see or remember the PVP promos for ESO. As Fengrush stated, it was for large scale pvp hence that was the main focus of their promotional videos. He doesn't need to say it, nor do I or anyone but the promotional videos they created were focused on that. Evidence?
Go to their Youtube channel and watch the promos from way back then.
I'm well aware of the videos, that's not what I was disputing - which was Fengrush's claim that most players bought the game for the large scale PvP, but he has since confirmed he meant most PvPers, not most players. That's the sort of difference that represents exaggeration unless clarified.0 -
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✭✭✭rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the war
Im talking about the story. The three factions vying for power etc. It isnt 100% about the pvp aspect. I just dont get people. This game was always marketed as a PVE game with PVP in it. Launched with how many zones and only one was PVP enabled. So I just cannot fathom how people thought it was a pvp game like say BDO.
If PvE content was really marketed like you said there would have been high end cinemtics featuring 3 different Alliance Zones. For example a cinematic of the battle fighting the Brothers of Strife, The reachmen invading glenumbra, a battle against the veiled heritence. They did none of that, they chose cyrodil and the imperial city as their back drop. They bragged of massive battle and their mega server and the chance for players to become emp.
I think what the deal is that you only remember that because thats what your focus was. I wouldnt have purchased a game I thought was focused on PVP and paid a monthly sub for it. So saying they only focused on PVP and ignored PVE in all the advertising simply is ludicrous.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the war
Im talking about the story. The three factions vying for power etc. It isnt 100% about the pvp aspect. I just dont get people. This game was always marketed as a PVE game with PVP in it. Launched with how many zones and only one was PVP enabled. So I just cannot fathom how people thought it was a pvp game like say BDO.
Maybe the same way you think BDO is a PVP game.
I take it you havent played BDO.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H318zfcN7Ho
Video of my friends and I in BDO.
I sure have.
It has PvP features like ESO does as a prominent part of the game, yet it has a lot more to it than that. It actually is more grinding PvE than PvP. More sandbox fishing and trade routes or what have you.
Reason I am not still playing it is its a little too much PvE grind for me.Edited by technohic on March 29, 2016 12:30AM0 -
xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I just want battlegrounds tbh. They could have like a 20v20 bg with two forts where you have to capture the flag or something. They could have all the siege and stuff but the battle would be between two forts rather then the entire map of cyrodiil. I just find pvp on small scale to be so much funner and less laggy. Its easier to have nemesis's and figure out what is attacking you and how you can improve as a player when the fight is smaller. Less players to hide behind as a crutch and less healers spamming away so no one ever dies. If you like that kind of pvp the arborteum in Imperial city has turned into an all out team deathmatch where everyone just runs in the middle and dukes it out and it is so much funner. It is super fast paced(you respawn like 10ft from the fighting) and you learn who your enemies are and how to play against them so much better.I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.0 -
Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭I'm not excited about it. If WOW taught us anything it is that the whining for nerfs will increase by about a bazillion percent and cause more pve skills to get nerfed for no reason.2
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the war
Im talking about the story. The three factions vying for power etc. It isnt 100% about the pvp aspect. I just dont get people. This game was always marketed as a PVE game with PVP in it. Launched with how many zones and only one was PVP enabled. So I just cannot fathom how people thought it was a pvp game like say BDO.
Maybe the same way you think BDO is a PVP game.
I take it you havent played BDO.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H318zfcN7Ho
Video of my friends and I in BDO.
I sure have.
It has PvP features like ESO does as a prominent part of the game, yet it has a lot more to it than that. It actually is more grinding PvE than PvP. More sandbox fishing and trade routes or what have you.
Reason I am not still playing it is its a little too much PvE grind for me.
Its open pvp anywhere in the world. After a certain level you can be killed by anyone. The main pvp is guild vs guild tho as seen in the video. Other than pvp I dont know what you would do. If you simply want pvp only with no need to level up gear etc probably call of duty or some other first person shooter is what you are looking for. All of these games will have some form of pve needed.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »
We'll take it as unsubstantiated opinion then.
I'm all in favour of ZOS fixing the PvP issues and adding more PvP content in PvP areas, but not PvPers exaggerating their numbers and importance.
No one is exaggerating anything. The majority of people that came into this game in the beginning signed up for large scale pvp.
I'll put the same question to you that I put earlier then. Is that your unsubtantiated opinion or are you able to produce the evidence to support that statement as fact?
You'll doubtless be aware that there was plenty of marketing for the PvE content, that the whole game was based around a single player series in which by definition PvP had no part, and that the original box featured four illustrated descriptions of the focus of the game, only one of which related to PvP.
Again, I'm fine with PvP and agree that a lot of players came into the game for the large scale PvP that was promoted, but let's not get carried away with statements about that being "the majority of people" unless that is qualified as a personal opinion or supported by evidence as fact.
Or are you also going to claim that when you said "the majority of people" you actually meant "the majority of PvPers"? That's where the exaggeration came in earlier, claiming something more than was subsequently conceded to be what was meant.
Again over a 100 million on a marketing campaign that focus's on the pvp aspect. I never seen high budget productions for any of the pve content. Where are the high end cinematics featuring the 3 alliance leaders, the mages guild, fighters guild, or anything in the main quest line. The logo for ESO is the three animal ouroboros that signifies the AvAvA. When this game first launched there was no end game pve content to market only pvp.
Aagain the factions are more than just PVP. This game was never marketed as a pvp focused game. Its elder scrolls everyone knew it would be mainly questing and be casual for the gamers coming from skyrim etc.
the story line and quests in the pve zones have little to do with the war. All the pve content in the Alliance zone deal with internal struggles within the alliance. And again no end game PVE content at release. If the game was really meant for casual players it would have been released F2P with the crown store there right in the beginning along with the vet content seriously nerfed from the get go. The money spent on promoting this game in the game speaks volumes about it's intentions.
They have EVERYTHING to do with the war. Dont you read the quest dialogue? Also a LOT of MMOs do not release with full fledged end game content. Its because people will take some time to level and gear up so they can wait a bit to do it. It wasnt long before craglorn came out for example.
the war is just a back drop to the pve plot lines. every single main quest could happen without the war
Im talking about the story. The three factions vying for power etc. It isnt 100% about the pvp aspect. I just dont get people. This game was always marketed as a PVE game with PVP in it. Launched with how many zones and only one was PVP enabled. So I just cannot fathom how people thought it was a pvp game like say BDO.
Maybe the same way you think BDO is a PVP game.
I take it you havent played BDO.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H318zfcN7Ho
Video of my friends and I in BDO.
I sure have.
It has PvP features like ESO does as a prominent part of the game, yet it has a lot more to it than that. It actually is more grinding PvE than PvP. More sandbox fishing and trade routes or what have you.
Reason I am not still playing it is its a little too much PvE grind for me.
Its open pvp anywhere in the world. After a certain level you can be killed by anyone. The main pvp is guild vs guild tho as seen in the video. Other than pvp I dont know what you would do. If you simply want pvp only with no need to level up gear etc probably call of duty or some other first person shooter is what you are looking for. All of these games will have some form of pve needed.
Because COD is the same combat as MMO combat or action RPG combat. And as if all PvE required is equal. Never mind that BDO would be like ESO if ESO still did not have a champion point cap and each point required a lot more grinding and gave about 20% more of an all around advantage per.
And then there were so many penalties for attacking anyone without an actual guild war. Theory didn't even meet reality.
Oh; and combat difference ignored, COD does not really have RvRvR or the siege weapns and mechanics here. PS2 would be closer yet still not the same. But aren't you the anti-pvp person that whined about TV stones on ICs release? Is that really YOU and your friends in that video?Edited by technohic on March 29, 2016 1:00AM0