Ppl want aoe caps off so that they can solo wipe 40 ppl. Because thats cool. then they make videos of it.

Already laughing to these single bombers who at azura missing their cp:s arent really that stronk and run into groups and insta die, just look so damn stupid. Aoe caps off and it definetly becomes worse, BUT, make it friendlyfire! oh dear we see lagg dropping down, but i guess most of the aoe spammers would just spam the topic down to the bottom hell if that could happen if enough ppl said yes for that change.

Simple solution, but too much QQ

snejremllov wrote: »

kuro-dono wrote: »

Ppl want aoe caps off so that they can solo wipe 40 ppl. Because thats cool. then they make videos of it.

Already laughing to these single bombers who at azura missing their cp:s arent really that stronk and run into groups and insta die, just look so damn stupid. Aoe caps off and it definetly becomes worse, BUT, make it friendlyfire! oh dear we see lagg dropping down, but i guess most of the aoe spammers would just spam the topic down to the bottom hell if that could happen if enough ppl said yes for that change.

Simple solution, but too much QQ

And you want AOE caps to protect your zerg.
Regardless of what purpose they serve the main point OP tried to make about AOE caps is that it kills the already bad performance of the game by adding loads of unnecessary calculations. This game has had to suffer 1.5 years of nearly unplayable lag now and ZOS has no intention to change anything about it.
Nerf AOE for all I care but get rid of this stupid mechanic that ruins performance.

are you talking about aoe blobs or "zergs"? I am on the side of the casuals, which dont run all the god damn spectrum of defensive and offensive manouvers and dont make it look like full time job to have "fun"

i would not mind losing aoe caps to fight the aoe blobs that spam steeltornado, detonation, sap essence, vicious death etc all that, but it would hurt the normal human beings who are trying to have way too much. aoe caps off will drive more people away than it would keep, i would not mind at all losing the 1% elite players than the casuals who make this game pvp so much more fun>>> hint hint, come check azura star pc eu, and you know what i am talking about.

but in another serious note, better way to battle lagg> give us friendlyfire on any and all damage sources. who dares to spam aoe in their 20 man group when it keeps hurting them? same with emperor aoe spam, it will wreck its own faction too with his solo bombing.

friendly fire in an MMO on the AoE is a joke buddy.
this is not battlefield hardcore where you could kill your teammates with grenades
simply withdraw that "friendly fire" suggestion
it doesnt belong here at all, i dont know why im explaining that to you..
dude, this is not HRC where u can synergy destroy your stacked teammates...

Waseem wrote: »

friendly fire in an MMO on the AoE is a joke buddy.
this is not battlefield hardcore where you could kill your teammates with grenades
simply withdraw that "friendly fire" suggestion
it doesnt belong here at all, i dont know why im explaining that to you..
dude, this is not HRC where u can synergy destroy your stacked teammates...

lol and you too defending aoe blobbers?

how the hell ppl think that its fun watching 4-30 man in tower farm wave after wave of n00blets who cant defend themself in time when entering tower or, watch aoe blob run inside keep not bothering to take keep since its much wiser to farm ap as ap is life? Fun belongs to everyone, not just those who know how to make best of this ridiculous thing called Aoe abilities, no any kind of penalty from spamming it with your group, only buff your group.

Current meta> AOE AOE AOE AOE and then run into breach and watch them all melt! there is not many ppl interested taking anything when you melt anyway.

Managed to have fun with my 15 guy last week at brindle when army of aldmeri were waiting for us to come inside breach to die into their aoes. well we never went in, so eventually they came after us and died.

Aoe in its current state is pure cancer for this game healthy pvp content, and too many forum warrior defend it since they need their ap so badly.

You must be able to see how many players we have already lost to other games?

snejremllov wrote: »

I don't understand you Foxey. In game you're always friendly and happy but here on the forums you talk the same bull.... all day every day. Literally every single one of your statements is exactly the same thing, you hate everybody who doesn't play exactly like you want them to. You hate min-max players, solo players, small-scalers, small/medium raids and everybody else who doesn't run an "army" that only uses single target spells.

Your "balance suggestions" favor your specific playstyle and kill everything else. If you're mad because you get killed by better players, maybe consider using some "op one-button win skills". Why should players of superior skill be punished because they invested time into getting better at the game?

Let people who want to play competitively do so ffs... nobody runs around telling you to stop playing like you do either. But if you refuse to use any skills which could potentially help you win a fight, deal with the consequences. All I see in your statements is unreasonable hatred towards players who want more than just "have fun" in the game.

lol that shite, friendlyfire would support bombers. it would make small scalers little bit more challenging but still fairly easy, big casual raids? you think thats me favoring the stuff i am doing? i run with pugs regularly + some of my guildies, evening time with mostly guildies, i am not leading the kind of action that laggs the hell out of server. People remain ignorant and blind to issues thats lagging pvp.

BTW ONCE AGAIN, lagg is not major issue when casual big raids from 20-40 who use skills only when engaging situations, and most of them anyway cowards to do anything else but rush in doors/breaches/gates etc to die and whose skill usage ranges massively. the lagg is produced by heavy amount of aoe skill usaging and this includes sets that proc aoes, or organized small scalers up to big aoe spamming raids and siege weapons.

When you have 20-40 casuals, in those groups there is not many aoe spammer, in all honesty, they are mostly picking skill thats better for single targeting than group targeting, while small scalers and big raids they spam aoes like lunatics because> 1 aoe, wont kill, but 4-30 aoe, that will kill. the more in numbers to spam aoe, the better.

Obviously this current meta if ppl havent understood it yet> if you dont have sorc or nightblade> reroll, make magica build, get vicious, get clever alchemist or something similar together with vicious, then get on your bar deto with 20k at best dmg? or around that number, saw number of 20k today, but no idea if its max, then meteor as ulti or bat swarm or the nightblade aoe skill that gives you ultimate points with each kills you get. drink pot, deto, then rush and watch the sircus. its funny when one guy is doing that, since at azura they mostly die, but when i see 4-20 of them rushing jesus the game freezes, how many aoe abilities there is procing in that group vs the casuals 20-40 man raid.

Obviously the 2-4 man raids with their aoes going wont be bringing much lagg, maybe some freezes and wee bit local lagg, but when you see those deto raids etc since they need to keep mobility up, they cant do the stop and kill stuff you see that it wont be anymore just local lagg, it will be wee bit more.

Ps. My raid would be affected by friendlyfire too All the casuals been always saying that its fun to fight my raid since we arent unkillable *** monsters who just want to have the fun for themself only. Also, only moment when we stacking is when need to do the arrowhead push into enemy force or tru breach. The way we do it> we drop negate and get the local guys in that area down, and move into next one. obviously we dont have 3-20 negates usually only 1 but regularly 2. I am not spamming in my raid ts> active deto now, spam steel tornado next 69 second, drop your ultis, barrier 1, barrier 2, barrier 3! all you see is, rally up, lets go, drop negate, keep moving, oh ***, folks falling, regroup! repush and so on.

so please. Stop worrying what i hate and what i like. Friendlyfire is definetly one of the best solutions this game could have, first>
1. aoe solo bombers> it wont affect them at all.

2. tower aoe spam contest, it wont be just watching all ppl who enter to die, it will be more challenging for defenders inside, it wont be just ap farming, it will be real battle. Ap farming anyway never shoulda have been thing, its what makes alliance vs alliance pointless when too many ppl want to focus ap farming instead of play campaign.

3. Aoe stackers in raids have to learn to be careful, you just cant run anymore with 20 deto and watch everything melt, it never shoulda have been like that.

4. Outpost/breach defenses require smart. tactical striking the attackers, instead of massive oil spam + caltrops + watch them all melt when single deto runner runs there to explode and kill all who enter, no thats not the way it should be, oil will kill all who try that. ppl will keep oiling, but they also make defenders where they remain when they prepare to hit the attackers.

5. Small scalers wont lose their mobility, or aoe capability, but they lose that ridiculous deto/batswarm power into tiny groups, instead they can have one go as bomb, and rest of them follow to support, they dont really at the end get too badly affacted. IT doesnt anyway make much of sense that 4 can kill 20-30 defenders just by stacking aoe burst into tiny area in fact all of them should die The moment i hear the arguement again that this isnt real life... just *** off.

6. FUN belongs to everyone, we play games to have fun, not farm ap or spam aoes to watch every single thing melt nearby or do specific things. You do whatever you like to do and want to do, but allow others to have fun meanwhile too, and friendlyfire makes abusing game mechanics lot harder.

And before someone asks, i dont farm ap, its never been my thingy to be some *** who is inside towers farming or runs with pugs all the time to each highly contested keep to farm/leech ticks, i been always trying to spread population all over the map to lower the lagg. Azura star its not really required, all we do have is here and there aoe single man bomber and then the casuals armies vs armies. Evening time there been deto lagg raids and bigger aoe bombing squads/raids whatever we wanna call them. Funnily enough, both aldmeri organized raid and ebons organized raid avoid each other and farm the casuals so there wont be pro group vs pro group to extend aoe spam contest.

so, when ya try to point it out pointlessly again that this favors my raid, i can ask why so? All friendlyfire does is lessen the lagg and allows casuals to have chance vs the pro:s and spammers which have got enchanted buff totally unrequired to have fun.

If you cant understand, i can make pictures instead, since english is not my native language.

Good luck at the battlefield son.

FireCowCommando wrote: »

I like your enthusiasm but ZoS is actually going the other direction. They want to add a proxy type ability to stam users next. Said so themselves in the ESO Live.

so we'll see a stamina based proxy instead of steel tornado. nice fix

The entire concept of zerg busting abilities is inherently flawed. The correct approach so solving player consolidation -- at both large group and faction levels -- is by adjusting gameplay.

Professional game designers should have the ability to incentivize players to spread out. I am not going to propose any ideas because there are many ways to accomplish this and debating our individual preferences is not the point. The point is ZOS has to stop being lazy and/or stupid -- talking to you @ZOS_BrianWheeler -- and fix the core problem: gameplay design. Enough Bandaids.

"We found snakes were killing the hamsters that run our servers so we are bringing in coyotes to hunt the snakes"
- ZOS every PVP update

Satiar wrote: »

Spreading out needs to be incentivized as a tactical choice, otherwise people just find ways around it because why wouldn't you try to find a way to concentrate all your damage and heals in one small kill zone? But really, i don't see how they would do it.

This is part of gameplay design. ZOS designers have to make choices. Both involve working with the server technology as it presently exists.

1. Maintain large scale fights as much as possible: If we are to continue to play consolidated as most do, then the capabilities of players need to be adjusted so they are unable to significantly lag the server. It's a pretty freaking easy concept to grasp: gameplay cannot exceed the capabilities of the underlying technology.

2. Maintain the current combat systems: Reward players for spreading out. We know the stupid, boring things players will do for gold and AP. So give them many fun things to do for those things instead. Again, I don't want to reference specific ideas, but this can tie in to the Alliance War via different types of objectives suited for groups of different sizes and skill levels. It's possible to right-size fights if done intelligently.

I would love to see gameplay design that consistently resulted in top guilds fighting each other for awesome winner takes all rewards at new objectives essential to the Alliance War.

This can be done in countless ways. If I was to write my great ESO manifesto, no one would read it anyway. It would be irrelevant. The designers who are paid full time incomes to spend dozens of hours designing and vetting good gameplay can figure it out.

Most of Cyrodiil gameplay is so rudimentary, I have to assume ZOS never actually finished designing it.