So they announce PVP arenas and battlegrounds are coming and noone talks about it?

ParaNostram · March 2016

I, for one, am super excited for arenas, battlegrounds, and FREAKIN' DUELING SYSTEM PLEASE GIVE ME NOW!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Torbschka wrote: »

Didnt they say, they will come "early" 2017? So for me, yes, i like arenas. Do I want to wait another year to have any pvp improvement? come on zos....

They did not say any time frame. They did say basically its going to be a while but they are through planning and now are actively developing them. They also said its one of the most asked questions about pvp.

MornaBaine · March 2016

I like the idea of being able to fight players in your own faction. Duels add a lot to roleplay after all. It doesn't negate the need to fix the things that are wrong with Cyrodil however.

SneaK · March 2016

Hard to give a rip about what's coming when what we have is broke af.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · March 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I'd rather a lag free cryodill. Unlike most people, i like siege warfare and everything that come's with it (Guerrilla warfare, etc). I did not buy this game to "duel". I bought it for the huge open world pvp experience i saw in the trailer. Nothing against duelers, it's just kind of boring and limited to meta builds/setups, i'd rather fight open world 1v1's with terrain i can work with.

I happen to like both large and small-scale PvP (1v1 is my personal favorite), but at this point I'm in the "we need small-scale PvP NOW" camp.

Not for personal reasons, but because I want to duplicate the smooth gameplay experience I get in PvE while I'm fighting other players.

SOOOOO tired of queuing up abilities and hoping they go off, watching my enemies fall through the ground or slide around the map, and my weapon swaps happening 2-3 seconds after I hit the button.

I believe ZOS would love to fix the Cyrodiil experience, but I'm starting to think they're just as dumbfounded by it as I am.

At the very LEAST, can we get the 1v1 arena from TES 4: Oblivion?

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

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The fact is it has been on the drawing board since 2014 and probably before that. That is 100% fact. When it went B2P they have to prioritize what they release. They're working with a limited team and budget now.

https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2wwqw6/discussion_possible_pvp_options_coming_to_eso/

Moderator edit - post edited to match moderated content

Skinless_Jerk · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I dont remember everything. They said housing was coming. The pvp stuff of course. They plan on sticking to the one per quarter release of DLCs. They think radiant destruction is in a good place and dont see any need to change it. They are working on pvp performance but probably wont see any real improvements until DB. I dont remember anything else.

How can we believe anything they say.. They're always working on PvP performance and they just make it worse

Skinless_Jerk · March 2016

laced wrote: »

PURPLE245 wrote: »

cravnbeer wrote: »

" Still, we do not under any circumstances need arenas in this game, it ruined pvp in swtor, it ruined pvp in wow and it ruined pvp in many other mmos as well. Arenas are literally a cancer on mmo pvp."

so glad I am not the only one that see this.

how did it kill them? not like people have to play them

Because they divided the player base and then they desperately tried to balance around arenas ruining battlegrounds and open world completely. Then they completely stopped focusing on battlegrounds and open world and people flat out stopped playing pvp because of that, reducing the number of players actually pvping to a whopping 100 give or take a dozen. We do not need that here.

But... The things we do need, we are not getting, not even 2 years after release, I think it could be a refreshing change... I bought this game for the massive open world PvP but it just doesn't work properly so arena and BG MIGHT work.. I'm all for trying it bcos I've more than had enough of lag in PvP

Jade1986 · March 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

laced wrote: »

PURPLE245 wrote: »

cravnbeer wrote: »

" Still, we do not under any circumstances need arenas in this game, it ruined pvp in swtor, it ruined pvp in wow and it ruined pvp in many other mmos as well. Arenas are literally a cancer on mmo pvp."

so glad I am not the only one that see this.

how did it kill them? not like people have to play them

Because they divided the player base and then they desperately tried to balance around arenas ruining battlegrounds and open world completely. Then they completely stopped focusing on battlegrounds and open world and people flat out stopped playing pvp because of that, reducing the number of players actually pvping to a whopping 100 give or take a dozen. We do not need that here.

But... The things we do need, we are not getting, not even 2 years after release, I think it could be a refreshing change... I bought this game for the massive open world PvP but it just doesn't work properly so arena and BG MIGHT work.. I'm all for trying it bcos I've more than had enough of lag in PvP

So instead of doing something different, they should copy failed models? Not a good idea at all. Playing a gametype in a different game that has failed for 20 years is not refreshing.

Jade1986 · March 2016

Masstershake wrote: »

For people saying arenas were the death of swtor you are wrong. I played everything in swtor. And the lack of anything but single player content killed swtor.

Also arenas were the best. The only thing that stinked was it was only 4v4. They needed 2v2
Also it stinked when you got people that didn't bother to learn their class and cry when they get roflstomped. Then saying only elitest arena. Why should i have the proper equipment or even all equipment i can play how i want.

Long story short, arenas are the best part of any mmo but needs to have 2v2 or 4v4. Or hell for this game 2v2v2 or 4v4v4 would be sweet

Swtor had thousands of people playing ranked 8 v 8s, then they introduced arenas, and it died. Hard. Went from thousands to hundreds within months. It killed it, no matter how you want to twist it. Not to mention the only people that did ranked were elitst asses that called everyone every name under the sun if they didnt spend their entire life perfecting their class or playing only fotm classes.

ParaNostram · March 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

I like the idea of being able to fight players in your own faction. Duels add a lot to roleplay after all. It doesn't negate the need to fix the things that are wrong with Cyrodil however.

Be helpful as hell in developing builds, tell you that much.

Skinless_Jerk · March 2016

laced wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

laced wrote: »

PURPLE245 wrote: »

cravnbeer wrote: »

" Still, we do not under any circumstances need arenas in this game, it ruined pvp in swtor, it ruined pvp in wow and it ruined pvp in many other mmos as well. Arenas are literally a cancer on mmo pvp."

so glad I am not the only one that see this.

how did it kill them? not like people have to play them

Because they divided the player base and then they desperately tried to balance around arenas ruining battlegrounds and open world completely. Then they completely stopped focusing on battlegrounds and open world and people flat out stopped playing pvp because of that, reducing the number of players actually pvping to a whopping 100 give or take a dozen. We do not need that here.

But... The things we do need, we are not getting, not even 2 years after release, I think it could be a refreshing change... I bought this game for the massive open world PvP but it just doesn't work properly so arena and BG MIGHT work.. I'm all for trying it bcos I've more than had enough of lag in PvP

So instead of doing something different, they should copy failed models? Not a good idea at all. Playing a gametype in a different game that has failed for 20 years is not refreshing.

I completely agree with you, but these devolpers SURELY musnt be interested enough to fix certain aspects of this game, do I think they will get arenas and BG perfect?? Not In a month of Sunday's .. But, for me, it will be refreshing from an eso stand point to actually play some sort of player Vs player and not always get zerged on or constant lag. By no means do I think ZoS will hit the nail on the head with these new implementations ... But that is their answer fo fixing things, they caouldnt fix azura star lag so they made it NON cp therefore97% of the azura players left, so in the eyes of ZoS they have fixed azura lag ... Same with shield breaker - fixed shield stacking, and I'm curious as the their thought process with BG & arenas, will that be their way of fixing PvP lag?? By splitting the player base? It's comical, really is

zZzleepyhead · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Isnt this what people have been waiting for? I dont see a single thread about the announcement. Arenas and battlegrounds are being worked on and are coming. Discuss.

WW2 should set up a thread for battlegrounds so we can at least pretend they're reading. As of now there is nothing to discuss. There are 0 details released. We don't know if it's going to be 2 alliance or 3, player size, objective, nothing. Why would anyone create polls or threads for people to discuss their opinions when ZOS has proven time and time again to go against what the majority wants. I don't see where you are coming from and what you expect players to do, but it's unrealistic

ajwest927 · March 2016

This game need more variety in pvp than just siege war and imperial city.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · March 2016

laced wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

For people saying arenas were the death of swtor you are wrong. I played everything in swtor. And the lack of anything but single player content killed swtor.

Also arenas were the best. The only thing that stinked was it was only 4v4. They needed 2v2
Also it stinked when you got people that didn't bother to learn their class and cry when they get roflstomped. Then saying only elitest arena. Why should i have the proper equipment or even all equipment i can play how i want.

Long story short, arenas are the best part of any mmo but needs to have 2v2 or 4v4. Or hell for this game 2v2v2 or 4v4v4 would be sweet

Swtor had thousands of people playing ranked 8 v 8s, then they introduced arenas, and it died. Hard. Went from thousands to hundreds within months. It killed it, no matter how you want to twist it. Not to mention the only people that did ranked were elitst asses that called everyone every name under the sun if they didnt spend their entire life perfecting their class or playing only fotm classes.

I was actually there, and it wasn't the arenas that did it. The problem with SWTOR - from start to finish - has been the corporate stranglehold of EA (which started off true-to-form with a crappy game engine) coupled with a general lack of care.

That could have been a fantastic game, but there's only so much you can do with a skeleton crew.

Which is sad, because I LOVE that game.

Rylana · March 2016

Sorry OP, you kind of spoiled the announcement for me, considering I have over 2k ping and 10 second skill delay, it hadnt come up yet.

Ill get all giddy when I can see the actual announcement.

technohic · March 2016

laced wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

For people saying arenas were the death of swtor you are wrong. I played everything in swtor. And the lack of anything but single player content killed swtor.

Also arenas were the best. The only thing that stinked was it was only 4v4. They needed 2v2
Also it stinked when you got people that didn't bother to learn their class and cry when they get roflstomped. Then saying only elitest arena. Why should i have the proper equipment or even all equipment i can play how i want.

Long story short, arenas are the best part of any mmo but needs to have 2v2 or 4v4. Or hell for this game 2v2v2 or 4v4v4 would be sweet

Swtor had thousands of people playing ranked 8 v 8s, then they introduced arenas, and it died. Hard. Went from thousands to hundreds within months. It killed it, no matter how you want to twist it. Not to mention the only people that did ranked were elitst asses that called everyone every name under the sun if they didnt spend their entire life perfecting their class or playing only fotm classes.

Well to be fair, SWTOR also introduced ranked arenas. What happens there is a reality check where people find they, or their class, were much worse than they thought.

NativeJoe · March 2016

laced wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Isnt this what people have been waiting for? I dont see a single thread about the announcement. Arenas and battlegrounds are being worked on and are coming. Discuss.

Pretty sure hardly anyone wants arenas, that is a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny percentage of people that are stuck in the 4 v 4 mentality from 1995. Battlegrounds would be fine, but arenas ruined pvp in several games ALREADY, putting them in here would be a dire mistake. Especially when the whole pvp selling point in this game was large scale battles and a fluid battleground.

They cannot do large scale battles and fluid combat. Hell I can't even Run from point A. to point B. in a field in cyrodil without lagging lol... (with no one around me or even within 2 keeps of me)

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

I think the arenas should be open to any faction. So one arena for everyone and match maker would math people based on class or whatever like the dungeon finder. Even tho its a pvp thing I dont see why it needs to be limited like cyrodill.

FENGRUSH · March 2016

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO Battlegrounds and Arena stuff was announced last year. We talked about it on our We are ESO podcast as much - so yea... its well known news.

As far as development, there has been a lot more details shed on their planning and resourcing on guild meetings with trader/pvp guilds that a section of the community has been involved in. So most of the PVP guilds received that info as well and it trickles down that way.

They basically approved the concept last year and said theyd begin planning and approval for development this year. It doesnt really mean much or tell you anything though honestly. IC was being worked on for a couple years. Murkmire adventure zone was showcased 2 years ago as well at a press conference by a bunch of ZOS devs that dont work there. "Its in production" - great news.

Most people bought ESO for the large scale Cyrodiil siege battles. I would have always loved to see arena implemented as it was seen in Oblivion - nothing crazy but somewhere players could battle. But Cyro is the real gem that appears unfixable. Areans and BGs will likely come so far down the line there wont be many PVP enthusiasts around to embrace it.

Jade1986 · March 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

laced wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Isnt this what people have been waiting for? I dont see a single thread about the announcement. Arenas and battlegrounds are being worked on and are coming. Discuss.

Pretty sure hardly anyone wants arenas, that is a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny percentage of people that are stuck in the 4 v 4 mentality from 1995. Battlegrounds would be fine, but arenas ruined pvp in several games ALREADY, putting them in here would be a dire mistake. Especially when the whole pvp selling point in this game was large scale battles and a fluid battleground.

They cannot do large scale battles and fluid combat. Hell I can't even Run from point A. to point B. in a field in cyrodil without lagging lol... (with no one around me or even within 2 keeps of me)

I can play no problem with a max ping of 90 ms and 45 fps with 20 v 20 with a gtx 690 4gb, and 3,6 ghz i73820 with everything set to max. If you are lagging that bad it is not the game. Yes when you get 40 v 40 or more then it becomes unplayable. But saying just from a --> b lags is just nonsense, and if it is true you need to check your system / connection.

Jade1986 · March 2016

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

For people saying arenas were the death of swtor you are wrong. I played everything in swtor. And the lack of anything but single player content killed swtor.

Also arenas were the best. The only thing that stinked was it was only 4v4. They needed 2v2
Also it stinked when you got people that didn't bother to learn their class and cry when they get roflstomped. Then saying only elitest arena. Why should i have the proper equipment or even all equipment i can play how i want.

Long story short, arenas are the best part of any mmo but needs to have 2v2 or 4v4. Or hell for this game 2v2v2 or 4v4v4 would be sweet

Swtor had thousands of people playing ranked 8 v 8s, then they introduced arenas, and it died. Hard. Went from thousands to hundreds within months. It killed it, no matter how you want to twist it. Not to mention the only people that did ranked were elitst asses that called everyone every name under the sun if they didnt spend their entire life perfecting their class or playing only fotm classes.

I was actually there, and it wasn't the arenas that did it. The problem with SWTOR - from start to finish - has been the corporate stranglehold of EA (which started off true-to-form with a crappy game engine) coupled with a general lack of care.

That could have been a fantastic game, but there's only so much you can do with a skeleton crew.

Which is sad, because I LOVE that game.

Arenas were the nail in the coffin. First ranked was 8 v8 s, then arenas came, and pvp died pretty much instantly. Instead of supporting 8 v8s with new content, they simply did the lazy 4 v 4 model and bam, dead pvp.

Jade1986 · March 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

laced wrote: »

PURPLE245 wrote: »

cravnbeer wrote: »

" Still, we do not under any circumstances need arenas in this game, it ruined pvp in swtor, it ruined pvp in wow and it ruined pvp in many other mmos as well. Arenas are literally a cancer on mmo pvp."

so glad I am not the only one that see this.

how did it kill them? not like people have to play them

Because they divided the player base and then they desperately tried to balance around arenas ruining battlegrounds and open world completely. Then they completely stopped focusing on battlegrounds and open world and people flat out stopped playing pvp because of that, reducing the number of players actually pvping to a whopping 100 give or take a dozen. We do not need that here.

But... The things we do need, we are not getting, not even 2 years after release, I think it could be a refreshing change... I bought this game for the massive open world PvP but it just doesn't work properly so arena and BG MIGHT work.. I'm all for trying it bcos I've more than had enough of lag in PvP

So instead of doing something different, they should copy failed models? Not a good idea at all. Playing a gametype in a different game that has failed for 20 years is not refreshing.

I completely agree with you, but these devolpers SURELY musnt be interested enough to fix certain aspects of this game, do I think they will get arenas and BG perfect?? Not In a month of Sunday's .. But, for me, it will be refreshing from an eso stand point to actually play some sort of player Vs player and not always get zerged on or constant lag. By no means do I think ZoS will hit the nail on the head with these new implementations ... But that is their answer fo fixing things, they caouldnt fix azura star lag so they made it NON cp therefore97% of the azura players left, so in the eyes of ZoS they have fixed azura lag ... Same with shield breaker - fixed shield stacking, and I'm curious as the their thought process with BG & arenas, will that be their way of fixing PvP lag?? By splitting the player base? It's comical, really is

Arenas will be an absolute joke in this game ( the concept themselves are an archaic joke to be honest, but that aside ) unless they somehow manage to enforce strict trinity rules. Otherwise it will be the same nonsense we have in SWTOR where the group that gets lucky enough to get a tank healer and 2 dps wins 99.9 % of the time. And before that they need to fix tanks in GENERAL. : cough : heavy armor : cough : dk

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO Battlegrounds and Arena stuff was announced last year. We talked about it on our We are ESO podcast as much - so yea... its well known news.

As far as development, there has been a lot more details shed on their planning and resourcing on guild meetings with trader/pvp guilds that a section of the community has been involved in. So most of the PVP guilds received that info as well and it trickles down that way.

They basically approved the concept last year and said theyd begin planning and approval for development this year. It doesnt really mean much or tell you anything though honestly. IC was being worked on for a couple years. Murkmire adventure zone was showcased 2 years ago as well at a press conference by a bunch of ZOS devs that dont work there. "Its in production" - great news.

Most people bought ESO for the large scale Cyrodiil siege battles. I would have always loved to see arena implemented as it was seen in Oblivion - nothing crazy but somewhere players could battle. But Cyro is the real gem that appears unfixable. Areans and BGs will likely come so far down the line there wont be many PVP enthusiasts around to embrace it.

Can you show me where before arenas and battlegrounds were stated to be in active development back then. Or anything other than "on the drawing board" or "in planning stages"?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

So I think what ZOS should take from this is that developing arenas or battlegrounds largely seems to be a waste of time. At least from the feedback on the forums.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · March 2016

Arenas and/or Battlegrounds should have no impact on other areas of the game. PvE solo, group, trial. PvP Cyrodiil and if finished IC. If you don't plan on participating, simply don't. It is that easy...

When bringing up past games, remember games like WoW were not PvP games. They were PvE designed games that added PvP. Those games also had heavy class restriction, meaning if you were a Tank. You didn't perform well in PvP cause your damage was too low to kill players (as example). This caused balance issues that had to be fixed to make PvP balanced for all classes. Screwing with their original design, followed by alot of upset players cause of the changes that needed to be made. This game is designed entirely different as classes are not as pigeonholed into roles as those games were. Actually ESO is designed to embrace PvP (small scale more so than large) as it stands right now and since launch.

The implementation of Arenas/Battlegrounds is simply adding a place for people who enjoy a certain playstyle, one that this game severely lacks. But speaking for myself, if it was to change the game or cause large scale to suffer or cause problems with PvE. I wouldn't be for it. However, I see no immediate problems considering how combat mechanics are handled in this game. These additions would make the game better and more people to the game that enjoy small-scale PvP...

Since games have been brought up where arenas hurt the game. AoC didn't have this issue. BDO doesn't have this issue, BnS doesn't have this issue.

dday3six · March 2016

There isn't really anything to talk about. The info we have now, is the same as the info we did the first time ZOS mentioned it. Until we get more info on the subject we really don't have much to discuss.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · March 2016

I think ESO arenas will have the same impact as Maelstrom Arena did for the people that were against it. Varied opinions but nothing that changed the over all gameplay. People still do group dungeons... People will still do Cyrodiil. Balancing and class changes will still occur just as they do w/o Arenas/BGs currently.

Really I don't see it having any impact of the game for people who are not interested. Key point is it will for people who are interested.

Whether it will be successful will depend on how Zenimax puts it into the game.

Hazethemadman · March 2016

This game has PvP?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

dday3six wrote: »

There isn't really anything to talk about. The info we have now, is the same as the info we did the first time ZOS mentioned it. Until we get more info on the subject we really don't have much to discuss.

Not really. The previous info didnt include the part where they are for sure happening and past planning to actual development.