So they announce PVP arenas and battlegrounds are coming and noone talks about it?

runagate · March 2016

Well, the 70% stat probably comes from the fact that the polls on the forum in the past have hovered around 70% of everyone, including PvPers, are opposed to, not in favor of, there being arenas. It's not a popular idea, something you might not glean from the number of posts about it around here.

It hardly makes sense that someone would make a post asking that there not be something added, though.

Jade1986 · March 2016

runagate wrote: »

Well, the 70% stat probably comes from the fact that the polls on the forum in the past have hovered around 70% of everyone, including PvPers, are opposed to, not in favor of, there being arenas. It's not a popular idea, something you might not glean from the number of posts about it around here.

It hardly makes sense that someone would make a post asking that there not be something added, though.

Sure, add some more stuff, some more pvp events in cyro , pvp instanced invasions in the faction homelands, but not arenas....we need innovation here. Not the same old stale stuff that has failed for over 20 years.

Jade1986 · March 2016

Killa4hire89 wrote: »

Wow, all you snowflakes whining because your OP FOTM build may get nerfed in the name of balance. Balance is a good thing. The only people not wanting arenas, duels, or frankly any kind of small scale PvP are zerglings and pugs. People have asked for it and it is a good change. Pve'ers and zerglings need to stfu.

Perfect example of the player base we would get to deal with if arenas were implemented. Angry keyboard warriors that think they are better than everyone else think their opinion trumps all. SWTOR and WoW are both perfect examples, most people that do pvp arenas are elitst asses.

Jade1986 · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

They already nerf builds practically every patch. Wont be any different with arenas.

Yes it will, the nerfs and changes will be much more dramatic. See SWTOR. Some classes were flat out nerfed into uselessness because they couldn't balance pve and pvp. IE commando. Arenas compound the balancing issues.

Steel_Brightblade · March 2016

The only way for true balance is for everything to be identical and work the same way, anything else will always mean one skill has some sort of advantage over another and that will result in the loud minority screaming for balance changes, its a constant downward spiral.

Korah_Eaglecry · March 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

We needs duels stat.

Im pretty sure theyve stated that theyre working on this as well. I remember them saying on ESO Live that they wanted it to work outside of cities but not in them.

Jade1986 · March 2016

Steel_Brightblade wrote: »

The only way for true balance is for everything to be identical and work the same way, anything else will always mean one skill has some sort of advantage over another and that will result in the loud minority screaming for balance changes, its a constant downward spiral.

There are mild imbalances, and then there are glaring imbalances. As is we have GLARING imbalanes. True, we will never have to total balance, but one class should not be able to do 30 percent more damage output than all others while having the best survival and escape tools. What you are describing are counters. Counters are fine, but when the same class is the counter for itself, then something is wrong.

ralonasan · March 2016

Dude, this has been known forever. No one cares anymore.And the people who care slightly only check the forums once a week to see what was put on the cyro vendor and to Lol at the latest QQ. The PvPers left. Like me for example.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

They've been saying this for a while. What's your point?

They have never verified before today that battlegrounds and arenas are in active development. Its only been rumor from the player base. If you mean before IC came out when the mentioned smaller battles they were talking about IC.

Yes they have. Go back a few episodes.

Ive watched every one of them. They never once said arenas nor battlegrounds were in development. Honestly I cant even find one they mention arenas or battlegrounds by name at all.

Well you're wrong because they have said it.

I was not wrong. They mentioned battlegrounds one time and never said they were in development. Only that they were part of the long term plan. Thats it. Nowhere did he say they were in active development hence the announcement on this week's ESO live.

Bro, you're wrong. Accept it. Go back and watch Episode 27 I think it was.

Just embrace it.

Sharee · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

They've been saying this for a while. What's your point?

They have never verified before today that battlegrounds and arenas are in active development. Its only been rumor from the player base. If you mean before IC came out when the mentioned smaller battles they were talking about IC.

Yes they have. Go back a few episodes.

Ive watched every one of them. They never once said arenas nor battlegrounds were in development. Honestly I cant even find one they mention arenas or battlegrounds by name at all.

Well you're wrong because they have said it.

I was not wrong. They mentioned battlegrounds one time and never said they were in development. Only that they were part of the long term plan. Thats it. Nowhere did he say they were in active development hence the announcement on this week's ESO live.

<shrug>

You were wondering why noone talks about battlegrounds, people told you it's because they are old news, you tell them they are wrong, get proven wrong yourself by a video, and then claim you were not wrong because "yes they said it but they did not say it in this specific way!".

That just seems like grasping at straws now man. Say "okay you were right, it is indeed old news, i missed it" and we can all go do more productive things.

Fuzzybrick · March 2016

As long as I'm not a walking buff I'll be happy. Battle grounds were great in wow vanilla. charactors are not supposed to be balanced. X>Y---Y>Z---Z>W---W>X...

Do away with cyrodiil buffs/debuffs. They are the reason I only stomach pvp long enough to get the skill points atm.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

runagate wrote: »

Well, the 70% stat probably comes from the fact that the polls on the forum in the past have hovered around 70% of everyone, including PvPers, are opposed to, not in favor of, there being arenas. It's not a popular idea, something you might not glean from the number of posts about it around here.

It hardly makes sense that someone would make a post asking that there not be something added, though.

The forums do nor represent the player base tho. This is but a very very small subsection of the player base here. The ones who participate in polls even a smaller percentage.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Sharee wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

They've been saying this for a while. What's your point?

They have never verified before today that battlegrounds and arenas are in active development. Its only been rumor from the player base. If you mean before IC came out when the mentioned smaller battles they were talking about IC.

Yes they have. Go back a few episodes.

Ive watched every one of them. They never once said arenas nor battlegrounds were in development. Honestly I cant even find one they mention arenas or battlegrounds by name at all.

Well you're wrong because they have said it.

I was not wrong. They mentioned battlegrounds one time and never said they were in development. Only that they were part of the long term plan. Thats it. Nowhere did he say they were in active development hence the announcement on this week's ESO live.

<shrug>

You were wondering why noone talks about battlegrounds, people told you it's because they are old news, you tell them they are wrong, get proven wrong yourself by a video, and then claim you were not wrong because "yes they said it but they did not say it in this specific way!".

That just seems like grasping at straws now man. Say "okay you were right, it is indeed old news, i missed it" and we can all go do more productive things.

No you are grasping at straws. I said clearly they announced they wer ein active development for the first time. Which is true. I admitted I was wrong about them never mentioning battlegrounds period. They did not however before today mention they were in active development which is PAST the planning stage.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

ralonasan wrote: »

Dude, this has been known forever. No one cares anymore.And the people who care slightly only check the forums once a week to see what was put on the cyro vendor and to Lol at the latest QQ. The PvPers left. Like me for example.

How has it been known "forever" when they first time they mentioned they are being actively developed was march 25th. I know they mentioned them as being something they planned on doing but no ETA etc. The announcement on the 3/25 show was the first time they said they went from merely being something they were debating doing to something that was for sure coming.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Sharee wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

They've been saying this for a while. What's your point?

They have never verified before today that battlegrounds and arenas are in active development. Its only been rumor from the player base. If you mean before IC came out when the mentioned smaller battles they were talking about IC.

Yes they have. Go back a few episodes.

Ive watched every one of them. They never once said arenas nor battlegrounds were in development. Honestly I cant even find one they mention arenas or battlegrounds by name at all.

Well you're wrong because they have said it.

I was not wrong. They mentioned battlegrounds one time and never said they were in development. Only that they were part of the long term plan. Thats it. Nowhere did he say they were in active development hence the announcement on this week's ESO live.

<shrug>

You were wondering why noone talks about battlegrounds, people told you it's because they are old news, you tell them they are wrong, get proven wrong yourself by a video, and then claim you were not wrong because "yes they said it but they did not say it in this specific way!".

That just seems like grasping at straws now man. Say "okay you were right, it is indeed old news, i missed it" and we can all go do more productive things.

That's because OP is impossible.

They literally have said they're working on arenas and battlegrounds for quite a bit of time. It's in episodes with Wheeler and Wrobel...with no eta of course and it still isn't proof for OP.

Around episode 27 for starters.

kevlarto_ESO · March 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I'd rather a lag free cryodill. Unlike most people, i like siege warfare and everything that come's with it (Guerrilla warfare, etc). I did not buy this game to "duel". I bought it for the huge open world pvp experience i saw in the trailer. Nothing against duelers, it's just kind of boring and limited to meta builds/setups, i'd rather fight open world 1v1's with terrain i can work with.

This ^^^^ for me as well, there are plenty of games already on the market with small scale pvp, I have done plenty of it over the years been there done that bored with it, and having huge warfare in Cyrodiil, plus being able to play with my friends in and Elder Scrolls world, and the fact I have played all the Single player games and a fan of the series, were all selling points for me.

Moral of the story is not every one is waiting on small scale anything.

Masstershake · March 2016

For people saying arenas were the death of swtor you are wrong. I played everything in swtor. And the lack of anything but single player content killed swtor.

Also arenas were the best. The only thing that stinked was it was only 4v4. They needed 2v2
Also it stinked when you got people that didn't bother to learn their class and cry when they get roflstomped. Then saying only elitest arena. Why should i have the proper equipment or even all equipment i can play how i want.

Long story short, arenas are the best part of any mmo but needs to have 2v2 or 4v4. Or hell for this game 2v2v2 or 4v4v4 would be sweet

Steel_Brightblade · March 2016

Ok for another look, destiny characters are extremely similar yet look at that game things have still been altered and nerfed due to pvp whining, this game has so many more variables it will likely end up destroying pve first then itself entirely while attempting to gain this impossible balance you seek. Part of the problem is every one has a different view of what is balanced and most skew its meaning to suit themselves.

Korah_Eaglecry · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

ralonasan wrote: »

Dude, this has been known forever. No one cares anymore.And the people who care slightly only check the forums once a week to see what was put on the cyro vendor and to Lol at the latest QQ. The PvPers left. Like me for example.

How has it been known "forever" when they first time they mentioned they are being actively developed was march 25th. I know they mentioned them as being something they planned on doing but no ETA etc. The announcement on the 3/25 show was the first time they said they went from merely being something they were debating doing to something that was for sure coming.

The earliest was in December of 2015. Please try to keep up.

FireCowCommando · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Well, the 70% stat probably comes from the fact that the polls on the forum in the past have hovered around 70% of everyone, including PvPers, are opposed to, not in favor of, there being arenas. It's not a popular idea, something you might not glean from the number of posts about it around here.

It hardly makes sense that someone would make a post asking that there not be something added, though.

The forums do nor represent the player base tho. This is but a very very small subsection of the player base here. The ones who participate in polls even a smaller percentage.

This is deeply flawed logic.

Sharee · March 2016

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Vaoh · March 2016

No one, not even the main Twitch streamers advocating for Arenas (whom I support) want to see them added in the current state of the game. Way too unbalanced, buggy, etc.
If done correctly it would be fantastic for the game's popularity. Plenty of people have gotten tired of the AvA concept and horse simulator, and just wanna do some straight up PvP in organized 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 formats (plus others).

Plus the announcement goes hand in hand with the typical "yeah sure it'll happen eventually now quiet down so we can put it off for another year".

Remember when Imperial City and Murkmire were first announced, as compared to their release? It is fun to look at the earliest Road Aheads to see what they actually fulfilled.

luen79rwb17_ESO · March 2016

I'm very optimistic and almost sure that ZOS will pull it off in an "Elder Scrolls"
way. So it will be fun, enjoyable and lore friendly despite the balance issues which exists now and will always exist like in every other MMO.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

I'll just leave this here. 2014 footage.

https://youtu.be/HMzrkRluWbU
https://m.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2wwqw6/discussion_possible_pvp_options_coming_to_eso/

IcyDeadPeople · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

They've been saying this for a while. What's your point?

They have never verified before today that battlegrounds and arenas are in active development. Its only been rumor from the player base. If you mean before IC came out when the mentioned smaller battles they were talking about IC.

Yes they have. Go back a few episodes.

Ive watched every one of them. They never once said arenas nor battlegrounds were in development. Honestly I cant even find one they mention arenas or battlegrounds by name at all.

Well you're wrong because they have said it.

I was not wrong. They mentioned battlegrounds one time and never said they were in development. Only that they were part of the long term plan. Thats it. Nowhere did he say they were in active development hence the announcement on this week's ESO live.

Rather than arguing with everyone about how long ago it was announced on ESO Live (which was months ago), why not instead simply encourage discussion of what people want to see in an arena mode

sagitter · March 2016

Me too i hate Arenas, it's just repetitive and monotonous playstyle, anything unexpected. I only can accept Battleground Daoc style, but i can live also without. Let just make duels also for testing purposes.

LegacyDM · March 2016

Sharee wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

They've been saying this for a while. What's your point?

They have never verified before today that battlegrounds and arenas are in active development. Its only been rumor from the player base. If you mean before IC came out when the mentioned smaller battles they were talking about IC.

I think you just missed it. I am fairly sure battlegrounds were already officially announced by ZOS as something that's eventually coming, before today.

As for the battlegrounds, they can be fun, but only if ZOS either disallows pre-made groups from entering them(allowing only solo queueing), or else only allows pre-made groups to face other pre-made groups. Anything else results in some very frustratingly one-sided matches (played SWTOR for a couple years, plenty of experience with that)

Their so called announcement can likened to their spell crafting announcement. I'll believe it until I see it.

DschiPeunt · March 2016

Instead of arguing, who said what at which point, who made up which statistic and who is wrong about completely irrelevant stuff, we could also start to argue about the idea of arenas in ESO.

Though they announced now that arenas are in development, there is #noETA, as always. But with the current state of the game, arenas are a HORRIBLE idea, because of lag/server performance, game crashes, balance and bugs.

Just imagine a 1v1 arena. What could happen, that would totally ruin the experience for you? Hmm, you could have bad lag, that does not allow you to break free, which is happening frequently in Cyrodiil, and you get hit by a Wrecking Blow combo. Or your game just crashes randomly. For me this happens roughly once every hour.
Lag and crashes are not only a problem in primetime Cyrodiil. Instanced areas, like Sanctum Ophidia and Darkshade Caverns used to lag very badly in the past as well.

But in my mind the biggest problem will be the bug and balance issues. Cyrodiil is a bit messy. At one point you are fighting 1v1 near a keep, the next second a zerg comes into and kills you in seconds. Or people just streak or sneak away. I think this makes people kind of forget, that there are major problems in the game, especially when it comes to 1v1 fights. What about a templar fighting a sorc? 140% extra damage not applying to shields. Great. Or VD set proccing before you are dead? These are just 2 that directly came to my mind, but I think there are much more. And people will go nuts about them, when they realise, how bugged a lot of stuff is.

I like the idea of arenas. Probably not 1v1, but a 4v4 or even 12v12 would be cool. But the game is not ready for this, considering its current state.

Yusuf · March 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I'd rather a lag free cryodill. Unlike most people, i like siege warfare and everything that come's with it (Guerrilla warfare, etc). I did not buy this game to "duel". I bought it for the huge open world pvp experience i saw in the trailer. Nothing against duelers, it's just kind of boring and limited to meta builds/setups, i'd rather fight open world 1v1's with terrain i can work with.

^this x1000

Torbschka · March 2016

Didnt they say, they will come "early" 2017? So for me, yes, i like arenas. Do I want to wait another year to have any pvp improvement? come on zos....