Eldruf wrote: »

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and shield breaker and vicious death whilst you're at it, dumb attempts at fixing issues all three of them.

And since you mentioned a couple things that a certain group of people would consider cheese. My main being a stam NB vamp...Whats the difference between the effects you mentioned compared to dawnbreaker, camo hunter, and mark? Nothing you mentioned is gamebreaking, broken, or a bug so just because you personally dont like those abilites on those armor sets you feel justified in contributing to number of insignificant whine threads? I apologize in advance if I sound rude but over the last 2 years ive watched this community turn to crap because ZoS doesnt have the same vision as some here. Its one thing to inquire about lag fixes, broken abilities, and other tech issues but to infringe on ZoS' artistic freedom and their right and responsibility to make the game they invinsioned. If the vocal few and their mindless groupies had their way, this game would be another WoW clone in and industry that is saturated with WoW clones

AddictionX wrote: »

Yes!

OR

While prox det is active make your Magicka regen 0 cause when you think about it sneak had its regen taken away, block had its regen taken away. Or make it dodgable.

No this is a terrible idea.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Then make stam not regen with vigor active, or no stam regen while shuffle is active... yeah no regen whwn ability has a timed effect!

Yay screw over everyone but those that use resto staff.... yes (rubs hands together) excellent idea

Sure ill take it even tho one heals(no damage to you) and the other is a buff(no damage to you). Cause apparently you share your magicka bar with dodging, blocking, breaking free and sprinting.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

Yes!

OR

While prox det is active make your Magicka regen 0 cause when you think about it sneak had its regen taken away, block had its regen taken away. Or make it dodgable.

No this is a terrible idea.

How so? You can still jump in the middle of a zerg and bomb, would be less useful for 1v1 which should have no effect on 1 person to begin with.

Because it doesn't need nerfing in the first place, this is pretty much saying if a sorcerer has his wards up he gets no regen if a Templar was healing no regen, etc. I feel like people just want this needed because they are salty because a lot of people use it.

On a single target if something supposed to be a zerg buster it should stay that way and have no effect on 1 person.

Its a brain dead skill. I think it needs complete removal.

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

Yes!

OR

While prox det is active make your Magicka regen 0 cause when you think about it sneak had its regen taken away, block had its regen taken away. Or make it dodgable.

No this is a terrible idea.

How so? You can still jump in the middle of a zerg and bomb, would be less useful for 1v1 which should have no effect on 1 person to begin with.

Because it doesn't need nerfing in the first place, this is pretty much saying if a sorcerer has his wards up he gets no regen if a Templar was healing no regen, etc. I feel like people just want this needed because they are salty because a lot of people use it.

On a single target if something supposed to be a zerg buster it should stay that way and have no effect on 1 person.

Its a brain dead skill. I think it needs complete removal.

It is a zerg buster as the damage builds up depending on the number of people in their radius they already nerfed the damage as before it was hitting hard.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

you're just presuming everyone is a magic build there so your argument is invalid.

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

Tryxus wrote: »

Let's remove everything except Light and Heavy Attacks and see how long it takes for a "Nerf Light and Heavy Attacks" thread to emerge

Light and heavy attacks? Way too OP How about the good old Hand-To-Hand/Unarmed skill we had in Morrowind? I imagine this to be funny, especially in PvP^^

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

Cause its a crappy skill that does not serve its purpose at the moment.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

This is getting kinda annoying... From my post you some how got to the conclusion that i am whining. I want a removal of this skill or having no effect on a single target. My god who knew you had to count.

I assume you're whining because you've already been given advice yet you continue to pursue to get this skill nerfed, it has already been nerfed I cannot change your opinion on what you think of the skill however the skill is fine and has ALREADY BEEN NERFED If you wish to carry on arguing then feel free too

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

Cause its a crappy skill that does not serve its purpose at the moment.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

This is getting kinda annoying... From my post you some how got to the conclusion that i am whining. I want a removal of this skill or having no effect on a single target. My god who knew you had to count.

I assume you're whining because you've already been given advice yet you continue to pursue to get this skill nerfed, it has already been nerfed I cannot change your opinion on what you think of the skill however the skill is fine and has ALREADY BEEN NERFED If you wish to carry on arguing then feel free too

Cause i obviously asked for advice? As if because you said a few things means its ok for this crap to exist?

Yes thats like saying melee damage received a 25 percent damage nerf through the cp tree all... and i mean all stamina attacks are useless.

15 percent on one less person when you can still buff it by 20 percent empower through entropy is hardly a nerf.

I still get killed by stamina users at the end of the day it comes down to being able to play I just don't understand why you're getting salty over 1 skill, sure everyone uses it but you can easily counter it. If you're getting killed constantly by it then review your build and CP, use shields, potions etc. I don't have a problem with people running proxy det at all because I know what to do.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Then make stam not regen with vigor active, or no stam regen while shuffle is active... yeah no regen whwn ability has a timed effect!

Yay screw over everyone but those that use resto staff.... yes (rubs hands together) excellent idea

Screw it, take regen out of the game entirely! Only way to restore resources is to use a potion or die.

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

Cause its a crappy skill that does not serve its purpose at the moment.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

This is getting kinda annoying... From my post you some how got to the conclusion that i am whining. I want a removal of this skill or having no effect on a single target. My god who knew you had to count.

I assume you're whining because you've already been given advice yet you continue to pursue to get this skill nerfed, it has already been nerfed I cannot change your opinion on what you think of the skill however the skill is fine and has ALREADY BEEN NERFED If you wish to carry on arguing then feel free too

Cause i obviously asked for advice? As if because you said a few things means its ok for this crap to exist?

Yes thats like saying melee damage received a 25 percent damage nerf through the cp tree all... and i mean all stamina attacks are useless.

15 percent on one less person when you can still buff it by 20 percent empower through entropy is hardly a nerf.

I still get killed by stamina users at the end of the day it comes down to being able to play I just don't understand why you're getting salty over 1 skill, sure everyone uses it but you can easily counter it. If you're getting killed constantly by it then review your build and CP, use shields, potions etc. I don't have a problem with people running proxy det at all because I know what to do.

You are misrepresenting my argument assuming that it has something to due to me dying to this skill therefore ill complain about it. When I have clearly said it should not do any damage on a single target.

I dont know how else to say it but ill say it again... Should not do any damage on a single target. But then again you're going to tell me review your this and this and this. Dude you must be a god send genius. You think just because there are ways to fight its ok to justify said brainless skill. It is not.

I think the damage is fine because of the cast time you get with inevitable and the fact you need to time proxy det right. The reason I'm fighting back is because my points do justify why I think the skill doesn't need nerfing as I will say again IT HAS BEEN NERFED ALREADY

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

Cause its a crappy skill that does not serve its purpose at the moment.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

This is getting kinda annoying... From my post you some how got to the conclusion that i am whining. I want a removal of this skill or having no effect on a single target. My god who knew you had to count.

I assume you're whining because you've already been given advice yet you continue to pursue to get this skill nerfed, it has already been nerfed I cannot change your opinion on what you think of the skill however the skill is fine and has ALREADY BEEN NERFED If you wish to carry on arguing then feel free too

Cause i obviously asked for advice? As if because you said a few things means its ok for this crap to exist?

Yes thats like saying melee damage received a 25 percent damage nerf through the cp tree all... and i mean all stamina attacks are useless.

15 percent on one less person when you can still buff it by 20 percent empower through entropy is hardly a nerf.

I still get killed by stamina users at the end of the day it comes down to being able to play I just don't understand why you're getting salty over 1 skill, sure everyone uses it but you can easily counter it. If you're getting killed constantly by it then review your build and CP, use shields, potions etc. I don't have a problem with people running proxy det at all because I know what to do.

You are misrepresenting my argument assuming that it has something to due to me dying to this skill therefore ill complain about it. When I have clearly said it should not do any damage on a single target.

I dont know how else to say it but ill say it again... Should not do any damage on a single target. But then again you're going to tell me review your this and this and this. Dude you must be a god send genius. You think just because there are ways to fight its ok to justify said brainless skill. It is not.

I think the damage is fine because of the cast time you get with inevitable and the fact you need to time proxy det right. The reason I'm fighting back is because my points do justify why I think the skill doesn't need nerfing as I will say again IT HAS BEEN NERFED ALREADY

You seem to be in complete denial of this previous point i made but ill quote myself.

"15 percent on one less person when you can still buff it by 20 percent empower through entropy."

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

Cause its a crappy skill that does not serve its purpose at the moment.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

This is getting kinda annoying... From my post you some how got to the conclusion that i am whining. I want a removal of this skill or having no effect on a single target. My god who knew you had to count.

I assume you're whining because you've already been given advice yet you continue to pursue to get this skill nerfed, it has already been nerfed I cannot change your opinion on what you think of the skill however the skill is fine and has ALREADY BEEN NERFED If you wish to carry on arguing then feel free too

Cause i obviously asked for advice? As if because you said a few things means its ok for this crap to exist?

Yes thats like saying melee damage received a 25 percent damage nerf through the cp tree all... and i mean all stamina attacks are useless.

15 percent on one less person when you can still buff it by 20 percent empower through entropy is hardly a nerf.

I still get killed by stamina users at the end of the day it comes down to being able to play I just don't understand why you're getting salty over 1 skill, sure everyone uses it but you can easily counter it. If you're getting killed constantly by it then review your build and CP, use shields, potions etc. I don't have a problem with people running proxy det at all because I know what to do.

You are misrepresenting my argument assuming that it has something to due to me dying to this skill therefore ill complain about it. When I have clearly said it should not do any damage on a single target.

I dont know how else to say it but ill say it again... Should not do any damage on a single target. But then again you're going to tell me review your this and this and this. Dude you must be a god send genius. You think just because there are ways to fight its ok to justify said brainless skill. It is not.

I think the damage is fine because of the cast time you get with inevitable and the fact you need to time proxy det right. The reason I'm fighting back is because my points do justify why I think the skill doesn't need nerfing as I will say again IT HAS BEEN NERFED ALREADY

You seem to be in complete denial of this previous point i made but ill quote myself.

"15 percent on one less person when you can still buff it by 20 percent empower through entropy."

L2p xD

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

Cause its a crappy skill that does not serve its purpose at the moment.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

I gave advice on how to counter this, burn people down with proxy and move away from your group members I really don't see what is hard to understand.

I know there are counters please spare me no one cares as i already know them. As if that's some how justifying this brainless skill.

If you're going to assume im running with a group of people go for it but I dont like laggy fights.

If you already know them then why are you still whining..? And plus the skill isn't brainless on many occasions I have to time my proxy det right because if you don't time it right it won't explode when you want it to.

This is getting kinda annoying... From my post you some how got to the conclusion that i am whining. I want a removal of this skill or having no effect on a single target. My god who knew you had to count.

I assume you're whining because you've already been given advice yet you continue to pursue to get this skill nerfed, it has already been nerfed I cannot change your opinion on what you think of the skill however the skill is fine and has ALREADY BEEN NERFED If you wish to carry on arguing then feel free too

Cause i obviously asked for advice? As if because you said a few things means its ok for this crap to exist?

Yes thats like saying melee damage received a 25 percent damage nerf through the cp tree all... and i mean all stamina attacks are useless.

15 percent on one less person when you can still buff it by 20 percent empower through entropy is hardly a nerf.

I still get killed by stamina users at the end of the day it comes down to being able to play I just don't understand why you're getting salty over 1 skill, sure everyone uses it but you can easily counter it. If you're getting killed constantly by it then review your build and CP, use shields, potions etc. I don't have a problem with people running proxy det at all because I know what to do.

You are misrepresenting my argument assuming that it has something to due to me dying to this skill therefore ill complain about it. When I have clearly said it should not do any damage on a single target.

I dont know how else to say it but ill say it again... Should not do any damage on a single target. But then again you're going to tell me review your this and this and this. Dude you must be a god send genius. You think just because there are ways to fight its ok to justify said brainless skill. It is not.

I think the damage is fine because of the cast time you get with inevitable and the fact you need to time proxy det right. The reason I'm fighting back is because my points do justify why I think the skill doesn't need nerfing as I will say again IT HAS BEEN NERFED ALREADY

You seem to be in complete denial of this previous point i made but ill quote myself.

"15 percent on one less person when you can still buff it by 20 percent empower through entropy."

L2p xD

Really now, since your ad are you on pc? Feel free to test that statement out.

So when you couldn't propose a solid counter argument you just drop a l2p comment. Thanks i knew i was right.

You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism.

Pronounced too-kwo-kwee. Literally translating as 'you too' this fallacy is also known as the appeal to hypocrisy. It is commonly employed as an effective red herring because it takes the heat off someone having to defend their argument, and instead shifts the focus back on to the person making the criticism.