Radiant Distruction - Ridiculous

Waffennacht · March 2016

TheLordSoth wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheLordSoth wrote: »

Zyle wrote: »

My new requirement for these threads: How much health did you have when you got hit with RD?

I had about 50%.

You had 50% health and no shield.... im gonna guess light or med armor, and you're surprised an execute did high dmg?

Well the class I was playing has no shield, the diff. between Med and hvy armor is so minimal it wouldn't have mattered all that much. So what's your point?

Point is, yes everyone has a shield, and without any shield it means you get critically hit. Meaning, that that RO hit you for the most possible over the ticks. With no shield u gotta have impen. People can run 80% crit with 80% modifier easily.

Your build is very susceptible to critical attacks, that's why the high numbers. Not the move itself. My wrath would show a recap of 10k and that's in 1 sec in the same circumstances or my frag would be 13kish in 1 sec

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2016

Something else to consider is that execute damage over a certain amount is meaningless (same goes for a self heal). lets say your average eso player has 25k health in cyro, so 25% health (where most executes including radiant really start to get good) is 6.25k. So if you are at that level of health, whether you get hit for 8k or 18k, doesnt matter a whole lot. Either way you are dead. I know it is not perfectly that simple as you can have heals and damage hit at the same time, but I think the lesson is the big numbers you see, dont mean as much as you think.

This is similar to the really big heals you are seeing from Burning Embers. Whether something heals you or 20k or 200k, really doesnt matter. Either way, you are full.

natewook · March 2016

"every class has an execute" really, than whats an siphoning NB builds execute again?

Destyran · March 2016

So many qq sounds like lazor beam. L2p get gud understand the ability before whinging about it on your op sorc or nb

natewook · March 2016

natewook wrote: »

"every class has an execute" really, than whats an siphoning NB builds execute again?

crickets.... see? the only execute ability NB's have is assassins blade, which is absolutely worthless for an magic NB build being that you have to be right on top of your target. which is something you never ever do in light armor!

natewook · March 2016

oh and I almost forgot to mention, dude spear spam is worse than the Jesus beam. because not only will you be three shot'ed but you'll be stun locked the entire time. but you know, given the Jesus beam, spear spam, AND Radiant Destruction temp is easily the strongest class in PVP.

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

Today I died to a player hitting me for 3 dmg with dark flare trauma I think I hold the world record for least damage done by a player on a lethal hit or I guess the other guy does. Just wanted to share that. During a stream so iris recorded too

Vangy · March 2016

Reb wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

. If you want to use it in battle it should have some form of a trade off in the sense that you should be vulnerable and unable to block. "

whilst channeling radiant you are self snared and cannot block ....so, you were saying ?

Vangy wrote: »

Im okay with RDs damage and undodgeable status. However, I do feel that the range on this needs to be toned down a little. The number of temps ive seen just spamming this ability even when opponents are at full life is starting to become ridiculous lol. If you want to use it in battle it should have some form of a trade off in the sense that you should be vulnerable and unable to block. With its current range, it can be safely spammed at quite a distance thereby removing any danger to the temp. However, this is just my opinion. On a 1 v 1 the temp is just asking to eat a wb/frag in the face -_-"

Next time maybe complete reading a post before saying something stupid/irrelevant. -_-" Just to reiterate, yes RD can be interrupted and should put the templar in danger. But with RD's current range, its not going to get interrupted easily or put any smart templar in danger. Most templars cast this from the edge of groups where they are nice and safe from danger. You'd need some form of ranged interrupt such as force shock or poison injection. Any non-ranged char is going to risk eating 2-3 seconds of ticks before being able to interrupt it due to RDs range. Hence why I am ok with RD but just a little annoyed with its range. Again this is just my opinion.

Destyran · March 2016

@ZOS_CoriJ can you close this qq thread please its not productive.

Vangy · March 2016

Quoting you from an earlier discussion @Destyran :

"We suck all of our abilities hit like a fairy and grant the enemy a powerful combat state our jesus beam is more like a tickle beam now our toppling charge doesnt seem to wanna work half the time. Some of our stam morphs are *** expensive our passives suck compared to every other class. Ohh and our ultis suck balls. Nova aoe capped and radial you have to be inside your enemy and rememberance lets you stand really still while enemys kill you. Since battke spirit passive. But please nerf us again because we still have breath of life and its not fair when 20 of us run in agroup. Why cant you just add these changes on to battle spirit so we are only *** in pvp cmon let us have our real jesus beam in pve stop lying in the tool tip. If a sorcs light attack over load can do as much damage as the old jesus beam why not nerf that?? Ohh wait we have BoL. Phew. Next time im in a fight ill look at the flick in mah wrist till i die."

Also the thread was titled please delete templar class.. If that isnt QQ I dont know what is. So based on your logic, when you QQ its all okay, but when other people QQ only 20% of what you QQ thread needs to be closed? Talk about hypocrisy.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

natewook wrote: »

oh and I almost forgot to mention, dude spear spam is worse than the Jesus beam. because not only will you be three shot'ed but you'll be stun locked the entire time. but you know, given the Jesus beam, spear spam, AND Radiant Destruction temp is easily the strongest class in PVP.

....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Your funny.

Destyran · March 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Quoting you from an earlier discussion @Destyran :

"We suck all of our abilities hit like a fairy and grant the enemy a powerful combat state our jesus beam is more like a tickle beam now our toppling charge doesnt seem to wanna work half the time. Some of our stam morphs are *** expensive our passives suck compared to every other class. Ohh and our ultis suck balls. Nova aoe capped and radial you have to be inside your enemy and rememberance lets you stand really still while enemys kill you. Since battke spirit passive. But please nerf us again because we still have breath of life and its not fair when 20 of us run in agroup. Why cant you just add these changes on to battle spirit so we are only *** in pvp cmon let us have our real jesus beam in pve stop lying in the tool tip. If a sorcs light attack over load can do as much damage as the old jesus beam why not nerf that?? Ohh wait we have BoL. Phew. Next time im in a fight ill look at the flick in mah wrist till i die."

Also the thread was titled please delete templar class.. If that isnt QQ I dont know what is. So based on your logic, when you QQ its all okay, but when other people QQ only 20% of what you QQ thread needs to be closed? Talk about hypocrisy.

I was just pointing out flaws of the class I honestly didnt care i meant it was unloved And wanted people's attention. And it did start alot of creative discussion about things. Unlike this thread where people don't understand the ability. But yes i could of went about it better. But eh i loved the tesults and interesting conversations that took place

bsmorrowb14_ESO · March 2016

The only thing that needs to change with Radiant Destruction is the animation. Instead of coming out of our hand (like the overplayed Iron Man concept).... if we could get a hip thrusting animation where each thrust pulses out of shot of Radiant Destruction. This would make me happy.

puffy99 · March 2016

bsmorrowb14_ESO wrote: »

The only thing that needs to change with Radiant Destruction is the animation. Instead of coming out of our hand (like the overplayed Iron Man concept).... if we could get a hip thrusting animation where each thrust pulses out of shot of Radiant Destruction. This would make me happy.

too early in the morning for that visual but yes I agree. I would support this change!
lol

TheLordSoth · March 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

oh and I almost forgot to mention, dude spear spam is worse than the Jesus beam. because not only will you be three shot'ed but you'll be stun locked the entire time. but you know, given the Jesus beam, spear spam, AND Radiant Destruction temp is easily the strongest class in PVP.

....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Your funny.

Well, considering just about everything in this Online version of what was a good game, is stun/lock thats about what you should expect. Go into any sewer area. Seemed the extent of the developers imagination was to stun/lockl the player so that the 100 mobs that suddenly appear can beat them to death.
I have my own theory of why this is, but I'll save that for another time.
What makes me laugh is the dolt that says LTP . I am still waiting for one of them to tell me how you "Play" when you can not even move or use an ability because you are stun locked. Oh yeah, break free. But then u either have no stam as you have used it in battle, or will have none when you break free.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2016

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

"every class has an execute" really, than whats an siphoning NB builds execute again?

crickets.... see? the only execute ability NB's have is assassins blade, which is absolutely worthless for an magic NB build being that you have to be right on top of your target. which is something you never ever do in light armor!

Are you trolling or do you not understand how morphs work in this game? Magic NBs have this skill called assassins blade which you so cleverly pointed out. You can morph it to impale, which allows it to be used at range. It scales off magic and hits like a freaking truck if your enemy is below 25% health. Not sure what else to say on that...

Wreuntzylla · March 2016

natewook wrote: »

natewook wrote: »

"every class has an execute" really, than whats an siphoning NB builds execute again?

crickets.... see? the only execute ability NB's have is assassins blade, which is absolutely worthless for an magic NB build being that you have to be right on top of your target. which is something you never ever do in light armor!

O rly? I must be doing it wrong, then.

Vangy wrote: »

Reb wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

. If you want to use it in battle it should have some form of a trade off in the sense that you should be vulnerable and unable to block. "

whilst channeling radiant you are self snared and cannot block ....so, you were saying ?

Vangy wrote: »

Im okay with RDs damage and undodgeable status. However, I do feel that the range on this needs to be toned down a little. The number of temps ive seen just spamming this ability even when opponents are at full life is starting to become ridiculous lol. If you want to use it in battle it should have some form of a trade off in the sense that you should be vulnerable and unable to block. With its current range, it can be safely spammed at quite a distance thereby removing any danger to the temp. However, this is just my opinion. On a 1 v 1 the temp is just asking to eat a wb/frag in the face -_-"

Next time maybe complete reading a post before saying something stupid/irrelevant. -_-" Just to reiterate, yes RD can be interrupted and should put the templar in danger. But with RD's current range, its not going to get interrupted easily or put any smart templar in danger. Most templars cast this from the edge of groups where they are nice and safe from danger. You'd need some form of ranged interrupt such as force shock or poison injection. Any non-ranged char is going to risk eating 2-3 seconds of ticks before being able to interrupt it due to RDs range. Hence why I am ok with RD but just a little annoyed with its range. Again this is just my opinion.

More and more casters are using destro staff again and I have started to get hit with venom arrow. My original build was completely eviscerated. Ok, cast dark flare! <interrupt> Oh for pete's sake, channel radiant destro! <interrupt> Hmm, need to heal, healing ritual! <interrupt>

PvPers, don't get your panties in a bunch, the healing ritual thing is a joke!

In any case, the meta hasn't completed its shift yet and won't for a few more weeks. Right now people are looking at the spell power they need to give up in going from dual wield to staff and deciding how they want to play. My builds typically have at least one counter for each class. I just never needed a templar counter until this patch.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · March 2016

A few thoughts from a long time Magicka Templar ...

My RO tool tip value went from just under 9k (8998 I believe) to over 14600 last night. The best it had ever been was pre-Orsinium nerf, around 10k at VR10. It got nerfed down to tickle status until I reached VR16 and went with all gold gear. Only in the last few weeks did I start to feel as strong as I was 4 months ago. As of yesterday ... I'm melting faces. It's glorious.

With that said, I still use reflective light as my main attack. 3 fireballs hitting for about 7100 each (after empower) allows me to burn down multiple targets from 30 yards away. The only time I get into RO spamming is from on top of the keep walls or from the second row in a big fight.

The rest of the time I'm either doing heavy attacks with my staves to replenish health and magic, or using mist form to get out of dodge.

All in all this patch seems as if it was made for me. I'll take the win. Sure, it is probably a bit OP, but the last few months turned Templars into a punchline. Now we are back to being Mariano Rivera. I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

Vangy · March 2016

Destyran wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Quoting you from an earlier discussion @Destyran :

"We suck all of our abilities hit like a fairy and grant the enemy a powerful combat state our jesus beam is more like a tickle beam now our toppling charge doesnt seem to wanna work half the time. Some of our stam morphs are *** expensive our passives suck compared to every other class. Ohh and our ultis suck balls. Nova aoe capped and radial you have to be inside your enemy and rememberance lets you stand really still while enemys kill you. Since battke spirit passive. But please nerf us again because we still have breath of life and its not fair when 20 of us run in agroup. Why cant you just add these changes on to battle spirit so we are only *** in pvp cmon let us have our real jesus beam in pve stop lying in the tool tip. If a sorcs light attack over load can do as much damage as the old jesus beam why not nerf that?? Ohh wait we have BoL. Phew. Next time im in a fight ill look at the flick in mah wrist till i die."

Also the thread was titled please delete templar class.. If that isnt QQ I dont know what is. So based on your logic, when you QQ its all okay, but when other people QQ only 20% of what you QQ thread needs to be closed? Talk about hypocrisy.

I was just pointing out flaws of the class I honestly didnt care i meant it was unloved And wanted people's attention. And it did start alot of creative discussion about things. Unlike this thread where people don't understand the ability. But yes i could of went about it better. But eh i loved the tesults and interesting conversations that took place

Exactly, and people here are also pointing out things they think are flaws. Why should this thread be closed? I think there's lots of creative input here as well just like your older thread had. Why not let everyone speak their mind? Threads are only closed when things get so off topic that people start hurling insults at each other. So far this thread has remained more than modest imo.