Question about Infinite crafting bags

Sparda10 · March 2016

I just read an article related to these bags

http://esoacademy.com/news/infinite-crafting-space-bags/

my question is: what happens if once they are available I subscribe to ESO PLUS and move all my crafting stuff to those infinite bags, then I fill my inventory again with other stuffs, but then after a while I decide I dont wanna pay a monthly fee any longer? what will happen to those crafting mats?

DjSolJAH · March 2016

Lame you have to have ESO plus for crafting bags? I was looking forward to those... Not so much now

myrrrorb14_ESO · March 2016

I assume they will lock the bags. You will no longer be able to add anything from them or use them while still they are still in it. You will be able to withdraw from it and deposit it into your inventory or bank account. They have not said this, but that is how I've seen it in a different game.

Waffennacht · March 2016

That bums me out, no way would I keep a subscription indefinitely

Elektrakosh · March 2016

Not interested in them now. Sod. That.

myrrrorb14_ESO · March 2016

If it's popular enough they may make a crown purchase item that works similarly. Perhaps a limited inventory, 1 per crafting profession. At the moment it is billed as an ESO Plus exclusive.

phaneub17_ESO · March 2016

I'm fine using alts as mules, just a few extra log in and log outs, no big deal.

Katahdin · March 2016

Infinite bags are an eso plus exclusive. They have not said if they will release limited bags as a crown store purchase. IMO they should.

Preyfar · March 2016

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Selstad · March 2016

If you cancel your subscription, Zenimax will hold your crafting items ransom for; One billion gold!
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KanedaSyndrome · March 2016

Just make them cost 1 million per 10 slots please? That way we can burn off some gold, but still making it extremely expensive, keeping plenty of incentive for going ESO+.

Perhaps add limited bags in 10-slot increments for 1000-2000 crowns as well. Finally something I'll pay crowns for (aside from DLCs). I don't want to pay crowns for all the cosmetic stuff, but for "Quality of Life"-improvements I'm in.

Other ideas for "Quality of Life"-improvements + cool stuff:

Loot Filters
Pet Auto Loots
Wardrobe to preview gear/crafts (although this really should be a core feature)
Faction changes
Multi Person Emotes (Invite another player to dance with you, and both characters will do a synchronised dance, or performance with music instruments, or their pets will play together)
Bard songs (currently reserved for NPCs)
+many other ideas

Sparda10 · March 2016

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

starkerealm · March 2016

Sparda10 wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

That might be a bit excessive, but there does need to should be a way for non-subscribers to get access to this.

ESO runs a balance between giving subscribers benefits vs relegating "free players" to second class status. Depending on how these are set up, at the very least, there should probably be some way to buy the crafting storage slots with crowns, if not gold.

And I say this as someone who has no intention of letting their ESO+ sub lapse.

PlagueMonk · March 2016

Sparda10 wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

All you have to do is read what you wrote there.....(I highlighted the important word). You are "avoiding" monthly fees by doing it on the cheap. Zenimax wants to REWARD those who are willing to keep a monthly sub.

This is flat out a PERK for using the sub model (which btw Zenimax would prefer) which, imho, is long overdue because a measly 10% exp is not holding much water.

Sparda10 · March 2016

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Sparda10 wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

All you have to do is read what you wrote there.....(I highlighted the important word). You are "avoiding" monthly fees by doing it on the cheap. Zenimax wants to REWARD those who are willing to keep a monthly sub.

This is flat out a PERK for using the sub model (which btw Zenimax would prefer) which, imho, is long overdue because a measly 10% exp is not holding much water.

Then they shouldnt offer the DLC outside the subscription in the first place... By forcing users to subscribe to get the bags they are just rippin off people that already bought them. 10% bonuses and the crafting bags alone arent enough to pay $15 every month for something I already purchased.

nine9six · March 2016

Sparda10 wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

lol

Gidorick · March 2016

From this post here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212349/an-idea-for-how-crafting-bags-could-be-implemented-for-eso-members

Gidorick wrote: »

So, ZOS has announced that they are considering having crafting specific inventory as an ESO+ benefit. There are many ways this can be accomplished, my suggestion is as follows:

Crafting Bags could be items that take up one inventory slot, but can be opened to reveal that bag's contents and inventory. Crafting bags can be coded so that the crafting materials for that particular bag are automatically placed in that bag if that bag is in the players inventory when they harvest the material. Alternatively, players could place their previously gained items directly in the bag.These bags could be never-full bags so players could gather as much of the craft's materials as they want or they could simply be large enough to carry one stack of each material type for that particular craft. The bags should reject any items that are not crafting materials for their specific craft.

Each craft could have their own bag that could be purchased by ESO+ members. A player wanting to carry materials for all crafts could carry a total of 6 bags (and more if more crafting types are introduced!) and they would consume a total of six spaces.

These bags could be sold in an ESO+ exclusive section of crown store that has items that are only purchasable by ESO+ members. Once a player buys the bag, it is theirs. If a player leaves ESO+, they retain full rights and use of their Crafting Bags. Only their access to buy items from the ESO+ section of the Crown Store should be restricted. Bags shouldn't be able to be sold and they should be able to be freely moved from inventory to bank.

Let's assume the bags could be sold for 1500 Crowns each (and for what they offer that is probably a pretty fair price). A player who wants to subscribe to ESO+ for one month and buys all available Crafting Bags would spend 9000 Crowns on the one month of ESO+ and six crafting bags. A player who wishes to use their ESO+ Crowns could simply stay subscribed to ESO+ for six months and their monthly allotment of crowns would pay for the bags.

The Crafting Bags should not be the only items placed in the ESO+ section of the Crown Store. There could be a wide variety of items, pets, motifs, etc that are offered only to ESO+ members. ESO+ members could even be given a period of exclusivity on certain items by putting the item in the ESO+ section prior to offering the item in the public Crown Store.

For those of who you think this sounds familiar, these thoughts were previously expressed in my ESO+ Subscription Benefits Suggestion thread and my More Bags and Encumbrance Thread.

Thoughts?

Gidorick · March 2016

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Sparda10 wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

All you have to do is read what you wrote there.....(I highlighted the important word). You are "avoiding" monthly fees by doing it on the cheap. Zenimax wants to REWARD those who are willing to keep a monthly sub.

This is flat out a PERK for using the sub model (which btw Zenimax would prefer) which, imho, is long overdue because a measly 10% exp is not holding much water.

And they SHOULD reward ESO+ members, but not by essentially holding a more effective inventory method hostage. Inventory management is horrendous in ESO to fix it exclusively for ESO+ members is beyond skeevy.

Forestd16b14_ESO · March 2016

DjSolJAH wrote: »

Lame you have to have ESO plus for crafting bags? I was looking forward to those... Not so much now

Don't blame ZOS blame the people who want more to ESO plus.

Preyfar · March 2016

Sparda10 wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

What about people who play any MMO and buy expansions, and then the company later gives away those DLCs in a bundle package? The initial people paid $150-200+ for the game and expansions, plus monthly subscription costs. Sometimes new incentives are added, and ZOS even did that for people who bought the DLC prior by adding pets to the mix.

There's no way to make everyone happy, but ZOS took the steps to make sure that people who bought the DLC got a little something extra. Plus you'll always have the DLC even if your subscription ends.

Sparda10 · March 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

From this post here:

These bags could be sold in an ESO+ exclusive section of crown store that has items that are only purchasable by ESO+ members. Once a player buys the bag, it is theirs. If a player leaves ESO+, they retain full rights and use of their Crafting Bags. Only their access to buy items from the ESO+ section of the Crown Store should be restricted. Bags shouldn't be able to be sold and they should be able to be freely moved from inventory to bank.

THIS!!!!!

Taleof2Cities · March 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

And they SHOULD reward ESO+ members, but not by essentially holding a more effective inventory method hostage. Inventory management is horrendous in ESO to fix it exclusively for ESO+ members is beyond skeevy.

As an ESO+ member myself, I have to agree with this statement and the OP.

Sure, the crafting bags are a nice add-on for being ESO+. But, I think there is a compromise somewhere where ZOS can offer it to regular players either via the crown store (as discussed in this thread) or as an in-game reward.

Since these are only for inventory management, we're not talking about a P2W issue anywhere.

Seems win-win. ZOS could offer these for crowns ... and players dealing with inventory issues would be relieved of those burdens.

Annalyse · March 2016

I understand the need to add something as an incentive to subscribe. However, there are a lot of us that just can't pay every single month even if we really wanted to, so I do think that they should offer at least a lesser version for a one time crown purchase.

Having this as only available for ESO plus actually forces me not to subscribe. I know that there will be some months where I am too broke and have to let it lapse, but I could not handle suddenly not having access to something like a crafting bag once I had gotten used to it. Easier to never have it than to have to deal with losing it repeatedly.

UrQuan · March 2016

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I assume they will lock the bags. You will no longer be able to add anything from them or use them while still they are still in it. You will be able to withdraw from it and deposit it into your inventory or bank account. They have not said this, but that is how I've seen it in a different game.

Doubtful that they'll work that way. It's more likely that they'll work in exactly the same way guild banks work. A simple check to see if your guild has 10 members becomes a simple check to see if you have the ESO+ buff. If you do, you can fully access your crafting bags. If you don't, but your crafting bag was previously activated, then you can withdraw anything that's already in there, but nothing new can go in it.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · March 2016

Sparda10 wrote: »

I just read an article related to these bags

http://esoacademy.com/news/infinite-crafting-space-bags/

my question is: what happens if once they are available I subscribe to ESO PLUS and move all my crafting stuff to those infinite bags, then I fill my inventory again with other stuffs, but then after a while I decide I dont wanna pay a monthly fee any longer? what will happen to those crafting mats?

Terrible. Not because its sub only but the whole carry infinite is anti elder scrolls...

PlagueMonk · March 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

And they SHOULD reward ESO+ members, but not by essentially holding a more effective inventory method hostage. Inventory management is horrendous in ESO to fix it exclusively for ESO+ members is beyond skeevy.

As an ESO+ member myself, I have to agree with this statement and the OP.

Sure, the crafting bags are a nice add-on for being ESO+. But, I think there is a compromise somewhere where ZOS can offer it to regular players either via the crown store (as discussed in this thread) or as an in-game reward.

Since these are only for inventory management, we're not talking about a P2W issue anywhere.

Seems win-win. ZOS could offer these for crowns ... and players dealing with inventory issues would be relieved of those burdens.

Then what would be the incentive to being an ESO + member if you can just buy them? They are looking for ways to get more people to become ESO+ (or in my case keep being one) and compromising would defeat that very purpose.

If this was something P2W then I would have a real problem with it but even you admitted all it is, is a quality of life gimmick and you don't NEED it to do anything in ESO. You want that perk you become an ESO+ member. period.

I find this situation similar to people QQing over wanting a monkey vanity pet. They keep begging Zenimax to put it in the crown store for them since it's not "fair" they have no access to it. Well people who have a monkey were beta testers and it proves we helped shape this game so if it were EVER offered to non-testers it would totally cheapen and make meaningless the reason for the pet even existing.

Xundiin · March 2016

Sparda10 wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

There shouldn't be a refund for DLC's purchased. If you didn't buy the DLC's but had a sub then let it lapse. You lose access to the DLC's. Only way to have them for both subbed and un-subbed is to purchase them.

Nerouyn · March 2016

ZO haven't actually committed to anything on crafting bags. They expressed their intentions and many of us have shared our views in response. What we actually get might be different.

IMO it would be a big mistake to restrict it to just subscribers. But their whole cash shop philosophy seems unrealistic to me.

Regardless of anything else, ESO's inventory management has always been one of the game's biggest handicaps. It's easily the worst I've ever encountered. This feature is to fix something which is HORRIBLY BROKEN and a massive deterrent to playing. Non-subscribers need to get at least a limited version with maybe better unlocked via payment.

hrothbern · March 2016

If buying a DLC gives you 6 months full availibilty of the crafters bag...

The crafters bag is still behind a paywall to make up for the costs of ZOS

and both subscribers and regular DLC buyers have it

lihentian · March 2016

Zos never give their attempt on making everyone sub. With four dlc a year you pay the same price each year only with less benefit.

However it has been proven that we don't have enough player willing to pay that much each year, it seem to me eso is committing suicide slowly....

RDMyers65b14_ESO · March 2016

Most players are subscribed according to a recent poll here on the forums. We need more benefits for being subscribed. These bags are a step in the right direction. If you want the benefits, then shell out the $15 a month. It's not that much. It is less than $0.50 a day. You can't even buy coffee for that price.