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How is the new radiant Magelight?
flguy147ub17_ESO
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Hey i play on PS4 but was going to see how the new radiant magelight has been for PC players. Is it good or not? Was thinking of leveling it up before our TG launches next week.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »Hey i play on PS4 but was going to see how the new radiant magelight has been for PC players. Is it good or not? Was thinking of leveling it up before our TG launches next week.
I assume it would be good, 1 bar, free 2% max magicka, 2% mag regen and 10% crit as well as 50% stealth dmg reduction and a 12m range to stop people stealthing.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarok100ub17_ESO wrote: »I hate it personally. I liked it when it just stayed on.
Whats wrong with it?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It only stays on for 8 seconds now. It's also useless as an actual light source, where it was great before in dark PVE dungeons.
However, night blades are still crying about it, so it must be good.
Also, I don't think you need it slotted on every bar anymore.2 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you're talking about PVP, then yes RML is a really good choice. My main is a Stamina Nightblade and imo RML is pretty strong right now.
That said, only a few players seem to understand how to use the active portion of the skill effectively. I assume there will be a bit of a learning curve as people figure it out. I had a 1v1 with a decent Magicka Sorc where he just alternated streak and RML to completely nullify any Cloaking I tried.
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The_Outsider wrote: »If you're talking about PVP, then yes RML is a really good choice. My main is a Stamina Nightblade and imo RML is pretty strong right now.
That said, only a few players seem to understand how to use the active portion of the skill effectively. I assume there will be a bit of a learning curve as people figure it out. I had a 1v1 with a decent Magicka Sorc where he just alternated streak and RML to completely nullify any Cloaking I tried.
I'm on the fence about the change. I used the old radiant mage light for the detection to find other nightblades on my own nightblade.
I'm pretty sure the new one ruin's this completely. If i use the ability and find someone, they are pretty much alerted by my presence.
I prefer the other RML and would totally kiss up to zos to change it back.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on March 15, 2016 10:30PMPS4 NA DC2 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭@GreenSoup2HoT
Does activating the skill pull you out of stealth?
I never considered how the skill mechanics would affect stealthers who wanted to find stealthers.
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The_Outsider wrote: »@GreenSoup2HoT
Does activating the skill pull you out of stealth?
I never considered how the skill mechanics would affect stealthers who wanted to find stealthers.
Depend's what update your talking about. However the toggled version befor TG DLC and the new version coming in TG DLC can be both cast from stealth.
I personally used Radiant Mage Light when it was a toggle to find other sneaker's (cloaking nigthblades more specifically) on my stamina nightblade. It did not matter if they cloaked near me i could see them.... without them seeing me also.
However with the new changes to Radiant Mage Light i cannot do this to the same effect. It is now an active skill that prevents anyone in your radius once used to stand up (revealing anyone in sneak and prevents them from cloaking for 3 second's). Rather then enemy's just walking into my radius with the toggle, i have to spam this ability every 6 second's. The worst part is my enemy will now know they have been revealed and most likely buff up.
This was a dynamic of the game i really enjoyed. Almost like a stealth mini game since all my targets were in stealth just like i was. I like to call it "counter-ganking" since i'm ganking, the ganker's.
Since i was a Vampire i was very efficient at moving around with double take looking for stealthed player's. I was using the sentry set also. I was a true sentry. Nopebody got past me, not even magicka nightblade's. I also had to sacrifice a lot (fear/piercing mark) to get this setup to work to double slot RML.
This playstyle is now gone though. I guess i'm going to have to quit the game
. I hate how the game's range of play-style's keep's getting thinner and thinner. At least i was not running a 100% weapon damage build like every other stamina nb. 
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on March 16, 2016 2:32AMPS4 NA DC1 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The_Outsider wrote: »@GreenSoup2HoT
Does activating the skill pull you out of stealth?
I never considered how the skill mechanics would affect stealthers who wanted to find stealthers.
Depend's what update your talking about. However the toggled version befor TG DLC and the new version coming in TG DLC can be both cast from stealth.
I personally used Radiant Mage Light when it was a toggle to find other sneaker's (cloaking nigthblades more specifically) on my stamina nightblade. It did not matter if they cloaked near me i could see them.... without them seeing me also.
However with the new changes to Radiant Mage Light i cannot do this to the same effect. It is now an active skill that prevents anyone in your radius once used to stand up (revealing anyone in sneak and prevents them from cloaking for 3 second's). Rather then enemy's just walking into my radius with the toggle, i have to spam this ability every 6 second's. The worst part is my enemy will now know they have been revealed and most likely buff up.
This was a dynamic of the game i really enjoyed. Almost like a stealth mini game since all my targets were in stealth just like i was. I like to call it "counter-ganking" since i'm ganking, the ganker's.
Since i was a Vampire i was very efficient at moving around with double take looking for stealthed player's. I was using the sentry set also. I was a true sentry. Nopebody got past me, not even magicka nightblade's. I also had to sacrifice a lot (fear/piercing mark) to get this setup to work to double slot RML.
This playstyle is now gone though. I guess i'm going to have to quit the game. I hate how the game's range of play-style's keep's getting thinner and thinner. At least i was not running a 100% weapon damage build like every other stamina nb.
Ah Ok. I was taking about post-TG RML. I forget TG isn't on consoles yet. RML actually got a huuuuuge buff in terms of the skill itself, but I'm not sure it will work for the niche that you found for it.
I can't for sure confirm for you if using it breaks your own stealth since I haven't used it since TG patch (I'm Stam, myself).
But even if it does break your stealth, you may be able to keep your sentry-type ganker-ganker playstyle by getting a little tankier or tweaking your build other ways. That way you wouldn't care if they saw you! And then there's always detect pots + Sentry set. That combo is strong just by itself for what you're trying to do, I'd think!0 -
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✭✭@The_Outsider
Post Patch my enemy would still not see me. It's just they will get revealed when i use RML. I'll just have to crank up my damage with cleaver alchemist and jump em when i catch em. You can cast magelight from stealth.
If anything it is not that big of a change because i can now empower from stealth with the new RML. However the sentry set technically become's useless because once i reveal my enemy i will not get any bonus damage from the set.
I need to do some testing with the sentry and RML. The dlc come's out next week for me.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on March 16, 2016 3:33AMPS4 NA DC0 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh, right on!
@flguy147ub17_ESO , to answer your question, yes. I would totally level it up. Especially if you play a Magicka build or would like some added utility vs Stealth damage/Nightblades0 -
Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnarok100ub17_ESO wrote: »I hate it personally. I liked it when it just stayed on.
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Major improvement for PvE use, probably a nuisance in Cyrodiil. While it is nice to have the extra slot, I don't that the slot makes up for having to remember to cast over and over again. This is irrelevant in PvE where you just want the buff.0 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I am a huge fan of the new Radiant Magelight in Cyrodiil. Inner Light is an inconvenience to NBs because they should be able to get out of range if they stun you. However, Radiant Magelight completely trolls them because even a stun won't keep you down long enough for them to get out of range. My favorite thing about it is that there is no longer a permanent visual indicator to tell them that you are using it. I like it enough to spec back and forth between inner and radiant when I go between PvE and PvP.Edited by timidobserver on March 16, 2016 6:23AMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)0 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Major improvement for PvE use, probably a nuisance in Cyrodiil. While it is nice to have the extra slot, I don't that the slot makes up for having to remember to cast over and over again. This is irrelevant in PvE where you just want the buff.
Ya, this is kinda what I meant earlier, it's really strong but most in cyrodiil haven't figured out how to use it well yet. When people figure it out...I'll just drop Cloak off my bars...0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Major improvement for PvE use, probably a nuisance in Cyrodiil. While it is nice to have the extra slot, I don't that the slot makes up for having to remember to cast over and over again. This is irrelevant in PvE where you just want the buff.
You only really need to cast it over and over if you're actively trying to flush out a stealthed player. Like, anytime a night blade vanishes right in your face. Other than that, keep the passive stealth damage reduction and stun immunity.
Night blades are complaining about this for a reason, stealth is their only real defense. It really sucks for them and everyone can use this. On the other hand, their irritating class play style and broken stealth mechanics have been begging for something like this forever.2 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Major improvement for PvE use, probably a nuisance in Cyrodiil. While it is nice to have the extra slot, I don't that the slot makes up for having to remember to cast over and over again. This is irrelevant in PvE where you just want the buff.
You only really need to cast it over and over if you're actively trying to flush out a stealthed player. Like, anytime a night blade vanishes right in your face. Other than that, keep the passive stealth damage reduction and stun immunity.
Night blades are complaining about this for a reason, stealth is their only real defense. It really sucks for them and everyone can use this. On the other hand, their irritating class play style and broken stealth mechanics have been begging for something like this forever.
I guess im the only nightblade who flushes out other nightblades with the old rml while in stealth.....
i hate how i have to cast this *** now over and over now...PS4 NA DC0 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have mixed feelings. I appreciate the buff to a previous lackluster morph, but having to constantly recast it is annoying. I haven't decided if I am going to keep it or go back to detect pots. There's no cooldown on RML, which is a big perk in its favor.
That said, if you've got it slotted, you can seriously ruin a NB ganker's day. They can't just cloak and run away from a failed gank attempt now.Edited by NBrookus on March 18, 2016 3:58AM0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm really surprised that there isn't ten times the crying about this.
I finished a 20 night blade bounty in record time yesterday, just hunting them down around the edges of a siege. Turn on radiant, oh look there's two trying to sneak up and gank the guys on the catapult! Dead.0 -
sluice✭✭✭✭Do you guys think that the new Radiant Magelight would work on a resto staff bar?
Also does it break your own stealth when you use it from stealth?PSN: sluiceqc (NA-PS4) CP: 551+
I strictly play on Daggerfall Covenant for when it comes to PvPDaggerfall Covenant
sluice - Orc Sorcerer (50)
Anýa - Bosmer Nightblade (0..50)
Aldmeri Dominion (PvE only)
Arýä - Altmer Sorcerer (50)
Marksar - Breton Templar (50)
Maksar - Bosmer Nightblade (50)
sluice - Imperial Dragonknight (0..50) R.I.P.
Ebonheart Pact
Can't-Heal-Stupid - Argonian Templar (0..50)
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do you guys think that the new Radiant Magelight would work on a resto staff bar?
Also does it break your own stealth when you use it from stealth?
why would you use it on your offbar when you can empower(by might of the guild passive) your attacks with it?spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Do you guys think that the new Radiant Magelight would work on a resto staff bar?
Also does it break your own stealth when you use it from stealth?
1. It works perfectly on the resto bar, just having it slotted and resto out makes you take 50% less damage from stealth attacks. It's ridiculous.
2. You can use it in stealth to find and kill other stealthed players.
Once the player is revealed, you have about six seconds to swap bars and kill them. If you have a friend with you, they die 99% of the time. Stealth is the nightblade primary defense, fighting without it leaves them basically naked. And magelight is spammable, so you can always find them again.1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭More people are catching on to this in group PVP.
Last night I saw at least three sorcs on my team streaking around Spamming radiant magelight. Their groups tore up all of the night blades found.0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm really surprised that there isn't ten times the crying about this.
I finished a 20 night blade bounty in record time yesterday, just hunting them down around the edges of a siege. Turn on radiant, oh look there's two trying to sneak up and gank the guys on the catapult! Dead.
Crying over the new TG mage light or the old one?
It's a lot harder to find nightblade's now with the new one. You have to assume they are around you and pop RML. Compared to the old toggle, it was always active.
I really hate the new change. I have a feeling it was Zos peeling back performance issue's. Since RML when it was a toggle was a pulsating detection radius. Now it's just temporary.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on March 20, 2016 2:09AMPS4 NA DC0 -
sluice✭✭✭✭Do you guys think that the new Radiant Magelight would work on a resto staff bar?
Also does it break your own stealth when you use it from stealth?
1. It works perfectly on the resto bar, just having it slotted and resto out makes you take 50% less damage from stealth attacks. It's ridiculous.
2. You can use it in stealth to find and kill other stealthed players.
Once the player is revealed, you have about six seconds to swap bars and kill them. If you have a friend with you, they die 99% of the time. Stealth is the nightblade primary defense, fighting without it leaves them basically naked. And magelight is spammable, so you can always find them again.
Nice, I'm looking forward to the new magelight now
Still unsure what I will remove from my bar, but since it seems to work on the resto bar, it will be easier to swap out a shield (Harness Magicka?) than something on my first bar.
I actually prefer the new magelight:
-Larger radius
-Don't need to have it on two bars, and/or always re-toggle it
-Locked them out of stealth for 6 secondesPSN: sluiceqc (NA-PS4) CP: 551+
I strictly play on Daggerfall Covenant for when it comes to PvPDaggerfall Covenant
sluice - Orc Sorcerer (50)
Anýa - Bosmer Nightblade (0..50)
Aldmeri Dominion (PvE only)
Arýä - Altmer Sorcerer (50)
Marksar - Breton Templar (50)
Maksar - Bosmer Nightblade (50)
sluice - Imperial Dragonknight (0..50) R.I.P.
Ebonheart Pact
Can't-Heal-Stupid - Argonian Templar (0..50)
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bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is far superior. Only used on one bar.no toggle. Reduce stealth damage to you and allies without activation, 12 meter detection, keeps them revealed even when out of radius, reletivley low mag cost even for Stam user, 10% critical without activation, grants empowering buff upon activation without a target, and there is no longer a ball floating around you when not activated to make your enemies aware you are running it.
All in all it is a much superior skill than previously.0 -
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✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »I'm on the fence about the change. I used the old radiant mage light for the detection to find other nightblades on my own nightblade.
I'm pretty sure the new one ruin's this completely. If i use the ability and find someone, they are pretty much alerted by my presence.
I prefer the other RML and would totally kiss up to zos to change it back.
I am right behind you in the Kiss up to get it back line.
I am used to being ganked in IC - I used to use magelight to have a fighting chance. .... not any more. It's crapTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0