Rate your PvP experience after the Thieves Guild update

Satiar · March 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

For some reason all my abilities lag even if there's only like 200 ping could understand if it showed 400+ but lag at 200 is just terrible for some reason.

Perhaps the fix was just to change the numbers

Same here. FPS seems fine, ping seems fine, game feels like 10fps - 600ms. Combine this with the constant random frame rate dips that seems to occur for no real reason other than magic and that's my experience on a nearly empty Cyrodiil campaign.

Yes, you can now stack 60 people indefinitely at a keep due to forward camps, and valiantly hold off the 20 enemies who managed to get in by setting up as much counter siege as they have players. The hour+ keep fights with 800+ latency for the duration are a vast improvement.

Truly, a victory for small man groups everywhere.

Erondil · March 2016

The first week was a nightmare, impossible to group because of crashes, tons of bugs (some at least are now fixed) and the only active CP campaign was laggy from midday to 3am. Now its getting better and,as somebody who enjoy everything from solo to 10-12 man group I really appreciate the changes; a group of 6-8 is really strong in this patch and its what I prefer. Nonetheless, it feels like adding more people to the group is more a disadvantage than anything with the mobility change, the new proxi and the new sets so I guess people who enjoy bigger groups dont like it as much as I do.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

Erondil wrote: »

The first week was a nightmare, impossible to group because of crashes, tons of bugs (some at least are now fixed) and the only active CP campaign was laggy from midday to 3am. Now its getting better and,as somebody who enjoy everything from solo to 10-12 man group I really appreciate the changes; a group of 6-8 is really strong in this patch and its what I prefer. Nonetheless, it feels like adding more people to the group is more a disadvantage than anything with the mobility change, the new proxi and the new sets so I guess people who enjoy bigger groups dont like it as much as I do.

I don't know what you're smoking. Each additional person is an additional Shooting Star rechargeable battery. If adding more people is a disadvantage, then when people hate tell me that I'm bad for being in a group, I can just reply with, "I'm actually playing the game on hard mode because being in a bigger group puts me at a disadvantage"?

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Ffastyl wrote: »

The no CP fights have been amazing, but AD heavily outnumbers people all the time. #PopulationImbalanceIsBack

That's cuz the other two factions refuse to give up their paragon points.

aLi3nZ · March 2016

I vote 10 because I just joined a dueling guild and I have proxy det unlocked along with 3x peices of the new transmutation pvp set for mega sustain. 2k Magika regen 3300 spell damage and no more boring overload spamming from me. Also learnt block animation cancelling from another sorc which is faster than bash ani cancelling. As a sorc of course I will be happy with the cp point changes. Quite a big buff there. More damage with elemental and more defense with hardy.

ColdTurdLife · March 2016

Everyone has Magic Det? There is no strive to build the best character possible everyone wants everything handed to them...CP change is amazing, but the PvP rank change and easy AP for xp skill lines in cyrodil are going to ruin PvP

zyk · March 2016

Aside from the bugs and lag, what I dislike the most about this patch is the complete irrelevance of the Alliance War.

Out of context fighting is boring. Playing for AP alone is boring. Losing home keeps without defense because 75% of the faction is stuck at a tick quagmire on the other side of the map is idiotic. That those players don't realize they're just being farmed also idiotic.

Sallington · March 2016

I ran into battle and lost all audio.

8/10 would unsubscribe again

TheHsN · March 2016

My rate is 1 That is why you can see below...

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

TheHsN wrote: »

My rate is 1 That is why you can see below...

Have you tried turning your lag off and then on again?

Tomato · March 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

My rate is 1 That is why you can see below...

Have you tried turning your lag off and then on again?

That's easy... Just uninstall ESO

KenaPKK · March 2016

Ffastyl wrote: »

The no CP fights have been amazing, but AD heavily outnumbers people all the time. #PopulationImbalanceIsBack

Hm. My guys and I took DC's home keeps back and dethroned the emp on Azura's last week. I suppose it might be time to return. The fights were a lot of fun, and lagless.

Niaver · March 2016

I like siege changes, i like forward camps.
The lag can be horrible, fps can be horrible, enemies and allies can be invisible.
I still can enjoy PvP if i play not in prime-time. But we need capturable cities in Cyro and capturable districts in IC.

newtinmpls · March 2016

VD set and IC ganking

Solariken · March 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Need another cp-enabled vet campaign, less lag, and balance sorc shields. Also finish the Imp City DLC with significant PvP objectives... Then I'm happy. Overall it feels better to me than last patch.

I was going to list these points ^

Stamplar feels a little weaker due to CP physical reduction. I respecced to Magplar, which feels a little better than pre-patch.

notimetocare · March 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Why does the scale not go into the negative?

Because that would be stupid.

Personally its far better for me overall, though it still needs work. I enjoy multiple classes, so the AP changes were great. The majority of the time, latency is far more managable. I have had a few times of 800+ ms, but Im rarely over 350/400 even at prime time.

notimetocare · March 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I really enjoy this new patch, especially the new performances and every single counter they brought to ballgroups. I would have gone for the total removal of AOE caps but I guess we're gonna have to deal with this for now.

I would like to give a special shoutout to @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @Wrobel and their team for changing the purge, barrier, maneuver mechanisms, and to have brought tons of fixes to LoS checks and long range abilities/buffs. I can already notice positive performance impacts with multiple players on the screen and I am looking forward to more optimisation regarding aoe fights calculation. When large groups spam their AOEs on top of each other (24 VS 24), we still get major latency issues.

My framerates also got much much better and now allow me to run the game with the 64bits client in high graphics instead of medium with no fps penality (30 during large fights and stable at 60 with vsync on the rest of the time) running in full 4k resolution.

Overall, even though there are some annoying bugs, and some balance fixes that I don't specifically agree with, I'm very happy of the efforts of the development team.

Keep up the good work!

Dude, can you tell me what game you're playing now? Cuz it certainly isn't ESO. You are about literally the only person who's said this patch has had a positive improvement to to pvp performance wise.

And just 'some annoying bugs'? I'm sorry, but things like Scales getting you killed with bugged resource drain instead of protecting you isn't just an annoyance.

Even before the fix, I still managed to play my stam dk just fine. Framterate is hit or miss but after their first framerate fix ive almost never dropped under 30 fps which is fully playable. Latency is down overall, though not gone. Big difference between expecting 800ms when you hit a fight and being annoyed because this fight is at 800ms.

Skinzz · March 2016

Okay the zergs for xb1 n/a are even bigger than before. I moved arouns to 4 campaigns and AD zerg trains everywhere

Lava_Croft · March 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Why does the scale not go into the negative?

Because that would be stupid.

Personally its far better for me overall, though it still needs work. I enjoy multiple classes, so the AP changes were great. The majority of the time, latency is far more managable. I have had a few times of 800+ ms, but Im rarely over 350/400 even at prime time.

I guess you either play on a near empty campaign or a totally different game altogether.

Jaronking · March 2016

Personally Am not having fun PVPing since the update its no longer fun.Maybe its just the first day but Idk just not the same.

kevlarto_ESO · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

I really enjoy this new patch, especially the new performances and every single counter they brought to ballgroups. I would have gone for the total removal of AOE caps but I guess we're gonna have to deal with this for now.

I would like to give a special shoutout to @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @Wrobel and their team for changing the purge, barrier, maneuver mechanisms, and to have brought tons of fixes to LoS checks and long range abilities/buffs. I can already notice positive performance impacts with multiple players on the screen and I am looking forward to more optimisation regarding aoe fights calculation. When large groups spam their AOEs on top of each other (24 VS 24), we still get major latency issues.

My framerates also got much much better and now allow me to run the game with the 64bits client in high graphics instead of medium with no fps penality (30 during large fights and stable at 60 with vsync on the rest of the time) running in full 4k resolution.

Overall, even though there are some annoying bugs, and some balance fixes that I don't specifically agree with, I'm very happy of the efforts of the development team.

Keep up the good work!

I agree with this ^^^ about the same feelings here.

MarrazzMist · March 2016

Iyas wrote: »

Only problem is still the lag on EU primetime servers. Except that I love the game.

I was running yesterday with the guild, we were big group and occationally run along side with other group. This was also primetime EU.

For me (and other guildies) lag was significantly better. Sure, it was there, but I used to get 1 frame per second when lots of other players around. Now I was able to move and cast all the time. Only one crach in the beginning.

I also liked that people were spread a bit more, battle field felt larger when players weren't stacked so closely.

Worst bugs were with sound, but that doesn't prevent the battle. For me overall experience was better than before.

Durham · March 2016

So many issues with the pvp side of the game very frustrating

Knootewoot · March 2016

I rate it:

cdobratz · March 2016

1. Magic templars got one hell of a buff. With the thaumaturge changes, the det, dark flare, toppling charge/invasion (get over it not working, its not that big of a deal, invasion is fine), jabs combo is extremely strong.
2. All melee range classes are kind of in a pickle with snare spam, which I think hinders the game.
3. Stam sorcs need some god damn love
4. Magic dk's could use a little love for their whips imo.

Psilent · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

I really enjoy this new patch, especially the new performances and every single counter they brought to ballgroups. I would have gone for the total removal of AOE caps but I guess we're gonna have to deal with this for now.

I would like to give a special shoutout to @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @Wrobel and their team for changing the purge, barrier, maneuver mechanisms, and to have brought tons of fixes to LoS checks and long range abilities/buffs. I can already notice positive performance impacts with multiple players on the screen and I am looking forward to more optimisation regarding aoe fights calculation. When large groups spam their AOEs on top of each other (24 VS 24), we still get major latency issues.

My framerates also got much much better and now allow me to run the game with the 64bits client in high graphics instead of medium with no fps penality (30 during large fights and stable at 60 with vsync on the rest of the time) running in full 4k resolution.

Overall, even though there are some annoying bugs, and some balance fixes that I don't specifically agree with, I'm very happy of the efforts of the development team.

Keep up the good work!

@frozywozy what are your system specs? ZOS CS says the latency and frame rates are due to poor internet connection and graphics/processing cores. So I'm curious what your system setup is to achieve that level of performance.

Jsmalls · March 2016

Not sure why everyone is hating on this update. The change to the gap closers made this game playable again for me. I also think the champion point changes were also nicely done I see myself spreading my points rather than stacking into two stars. All in all I say well done so far.

Zheg · March 2016

Psilent wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I really enjoy this new patch, especially the new performances and every single counter they brought to ballgroups. I would have gone for the total removal of AOE caps but I guess we're gonna have to deal with this for now.

I would like to give a special shoutout to @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @Wrobel and their team for changing the purge, barrier, maneuver mechanisms, and to have brought tons of fixes to LoS checks and long range abilities/buffs. I can already notice positive performance impacts with multiple players on the screen and I am looking forward to more optimisation regarding aoe fights calculation. When large groups spam their AOEs on top of each other (24 VS 24), we still get major latency issues.

My framerates also got much much better and now allow me to run the game with the 64bits client in high graphics instead of medium with no fps penality (30 during large fights and stable at 60 with vsync on the rest of the time) running in full 4k resolution.

Overall, even though there are some annoying bugs, and some balance fixes that I don't specifically agree with, I'm very happy of the efforts of the development team.

Keep up the good work!

@frozywozy what are your system specs? ZOS CS says the latency and frame rates are due to poor internet connection and graphics/processing cores. So I'm curious what your system setup is to achieve that level of performance.

I upgraded to 1gb internet last week and pvp is still an absolute *** show. I ragequit last night after crashing 5 times in a row. Hold on, I just realized it's been 15 minutes since I last reset my router though...

frozywozy · March 2016

Psilent wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I really enjoy this new patch, especially the new performances and every single counter they brought to ballgroups. I would have gone for the total removal of AOE caps but I guess we're gonna have to deal with this for now.

I would like to give a special shoutout to @ZOS_BrianWheeler , @Wrobel and their team for changing the purge, barrier, maneuver mechanisms, and to have brought tons of fixes to LoS checks and long range abilities/buffs. I can already notice positive performance impacts with multiple players on the screen and I am looking forward to more optimisation regarding aoe fights calculation. When large groups spam their AOEs on top of each other (24 VS 24), we still get major latency issues.

My framerates also got much much better and now allow me to run the game with the 64bits client in high graphics instead of medium with no fps penality (30 during large fights and stable at 60 with vsync on the rest of the time) running in full 4k resolution.

Overall, even though there are some annoying bugs, and some balance fixes that I don't specifically agree with, I'm very happy of the efforts of the development team.

Keep up the good work!

@frozywozy what are your system specs? ZOS CS says the latency and frame rates are due to poor internet connection and graphics/processing cores. So I'm curious what your system setup is to achieve that level of performance.

Operating System : Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU : Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
RAM : 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 1600MHz
Motherboard : ASUSTeK Z87-PRO (SOCKET 1150)
Graphics : EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti
Display : Asus PB287Q 28" 4k (3840x2160@60Hz)
Storage : 250GB Samsung SSD 840 EVO
Audio : Steelseries H-Wireless Headset
Keyboard : Logitech g910+
Mouse : Razer Deathadder black edition

Graphic settings :

Details : High
Shadow Quality : Low
View Distance : 50
V-Sync : On
Ambient Occlusion : Off
Dept of Field : Off

I heard people like @Soulac complaining about performances during 1.6 and he said he was running the same setup as I do so I'm not sure if it has really something to do with hardwares.

Lava_Croft · March 2016

No PC can keep up with endlessly respawning zergs due to the reintroduction of Forward Camps.