Infused shoulders

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Jules wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

The first DLC was a PVP DLC and people still insist PVP has had no updates.

This dude does NOT.

IC A PVP UPDATE? What are you smoking bro?

Filled to the brim with 2 new dungeons and smothered in pve mobs and bosses everywhere. Nothing claimable. Not districts or anything at all. No leaderboards or objectives or ffs even a flag or area to take or fight over. Just die respawn die respawn. Nothing to actually accomplish and streamlined spawns that make for boring, tedious, repetitive gameplay. Just bc you happen to be able to kill people in IC does not make IC a "PVP DLC", it makes it a shoddy attempt at both that remains almost entirely unfinished. And that was all PVP got in 2 years of this game since launch.

Let's count what PVE got.
Every zone besides 1 in the game.
Craglorn update. 2 trials and VDSA.
Undaunted / daily pledges update.
Wrothgar update. And VMSA.
And now Hews Bane update. Another trial.

Yeah that's what I thought.

Very clearly sold and described as a pvp expansion.

http://www.gameplanet.com.au/pc/news/g55a71a9df2cea/Zenimax-details-The-Imperial-City-TESOs-first-expansion/

Also Wrobel said when asked about why they were doing a PVP expansion first he said "PVE has gotten all the love for a long time. Now its PVP's turn IC is a PVP expansion.". So you might want to talk to ZOS because they think it WAS a PVP expansion. I remember you guys talking about IC being so awesome. You wanted all these sheep to slaughter. You guys were literally drooling over being able to loot people who cant fight back.

So ya it absolutely was a pvp expansion. It just shows that you guys have no idea what you want.

Actually it was Rick Lambert who said this:

I've seen this mentioned a few times in various threads now, so i'll clarify some here. Imperial City is meant for the PVP player - it's their turn for some love. If you love PVE and are clamoring for more of that type of content, the Orsinium DLC will be exactly what you want.

Recremen · March 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

The first DLC was a PVP DLC and people still insist PVP has had no updates.

Totally a PvP update. That's why Brian Wheeler is on record stating that IC was "basically a PvE zone with PvP enabled."

That's a way better description, I think. It's still super fun and the best place to go for lagless fights right now, but all the Daedra floating around makes it less than ideal.

RadioheadSh0t · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

The first DLC was a PVP DLC and people still insist PVP has had no updates.

This dude does NOT.

IC A PVP UPDATE? What are you smoking bro?

Filled to the brim with 2 new dungeons and smothered in pve mobs and bosses everywhere. Nothing claimable. Not districts or anything at all. No leaderboards or objectives or ffs even a flag or area to take or fight over. Just die respawn die respawn. Nothing to actually accomplish and streamlined spawns that make for boring, tedious, repetitive gameplay. Just bc you happen to be able to kill people in IC does not make IC a "PVP DLC", it makes it a shoddy attempt at both that remains almost entirely unfinished. And that was all PVP got in 2 years of this game since launch.

Let's count what PVE got.
Every zone besides 1 in the game.
Craglorn update. 2 trials and VDSA.
Undaunted / daily pledges update.
Wrothgar update. And VMSA.
And now Hews Bane update. Another trial.

Yeah that's what I thought.

Very clearly sold and described as a pvp expansion.

http://www.gameplanet.com.au/pc/news/g55a71a9df2cea/Zenimax-details-The-Imperial-City-TESOs-first-expansion/

Also Wrobel said when asked about why they were doing a PVP expansion first he said "PVE has gotten all the love for a long time. Now its PVP's turn IC is a PVP expansion.". So you might want to talk to ZOS because they think it WAS a PVP expansion. I remember you guys talking about IC being so awesome. You wanted all these sheep to slaughter. You guys were literally drooling over being able to loot people who cant fight back.

So ya it absolutely was a pvp expansion. It just shows that you guys have no idea what you want.

Actually it was Rick Lambert who said this:

I've seen this mentioned a few times in various threads now, so i'll clarify some here. Imperial City is meant for the PVP player - it's their turn for some love. If you love PVE and are clamoring for more of that type of content, the Orsinium DLC will be exactly what you want.

What they "advertised" it as and what it actually is are two different things. For over a year it was advertised as aPvP update, and then everything they advertised they removed, like the capturing districts. It's like they dangled a donut in front of the PvP community to keep us going, and once we finally got it, we realized it's a plastic squeak toy.

They gutted the PvP elements they advertised it having. The expansion has zero PvP objectives, and it's filled with PvE.

If that's their idea of "showing PvP some love," then we really are screwed...

Akgurd · March 2016

[snip]

It was pure fail and waste of development resource. We don't need boring grind zone in PvP. We need the game fixed rather than adding more bugs and ghost towns.
[edited for bashing]

RadioheadSh0t · March 2016

Akgurd wrote: »

[snip].

It was pure fail and waste of development resource. We don't need boring grind zone in PvP. We need the game fixed rather than adding more bugs and ghost towns.

One of the most frustrating parts of IC is that if the Districts were PvP areas, they would be a lot of fun to fight in. They're well designed areas with good elevation, layout, and design, but without PvP objectives and littered with annoying NPCs that make one bad dodge roll a fatal mistake, they're empty and boring.
[edited to remove quote]

GRxKnight · March 2016

IC was fun to fight in the first week or two after release (right there you can see it's a pve update)...mostly the sewers because that's where everyone was located...outside of bombing a group clearing a mini boss, or the center, there really wasn't much pvp to be had there as there was no objectives to be fighting over...so while zos night have advertised IC as a PvP update, what they advertised (which iirc was something along the lines of capture-able districts and clear objectives) and what they delivered were two completely different things

DjKahun · March 2016

Don't see how infused is bad? I run infused on big pieces and divines on small as criticals don't affect sorc shields.. At least it's not all well-fitted! lol

_Chaos · March 2016

DjKahun wrote: »

I run infused on big pieces

The answer is in the question, young grasshopper.

Sallington · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

The first DLC was a PVP DLC and people still insist PVP has had no updates.

This dude does NOT.

IC A PVP UPDATE? What are you smoking bro?

Filled to the brim with 2 new dungeons and smothered in pve mobs and bosses everywhere. Nothing claimable. Not districts or anything at all. No leaderboards or objectives or ffs even a flag or area to take or fight over. Just die respawn die respawn. Nothing to actually accomplish and streamlined spawns that make for boring, tedious, repetitive gameplay. Just bc you happen to be able to kill people in IC does not make IC a "PVP DLC", it makes it a shoddy attempt at both that remains almost entirely unfinished. And that was all PVP got in 2 years of this game since launch.

Let's count what PVE got.
Every zone besides 1 in the game.
Craglorn update. 2 trials and VDSA.
Undaunted / daily pledges update.
Wrothgar update. And VMSA.
And now Hews Bane update. Another trial.

Yeah that's what I thought.

Very clearly sold and described as a pvp expansion.

http://www.gameplanet.com.au/pc/news/g55a71a9df2cea/Zenimax-details-The-Imperial-City-TESOs-first-expansion/

Also Wrobel said when asked about why they were doing a PVP expansion first he said "PVE has gotten all the love for a long time. Now its PVP's turn IC is a PVP expansion.". So you might want to talk to ZOS because they think it WAS a PVP expansion. I remember you guys talking about IC being so awesome. You wanted all these sheep to slaughter. You guys were literally drooling over being able to loot people who cant fight back.

So ya it absolutely was a pvp expansion. It just shows that you guys have no idea what you want.

Actually it was Rick Lambert who said this:

I've seen this mentioned a few times in various threads now, so i'll clarify some here. Imperial City is meant for the PVP player - it's their turn for some love. If you love PVE and are clamoring for more of that type of content, the Orsinium DLC will be exactly what you want.

They also clearly advertised and sold Cyrodil as a PvP zone that can handle " hundreds of players on screen at once." A phrase they've even taken off their site at this point.

[snip]
[edited for baiting]

Moglijuana · March 2016

Akgurd wrote: »

Current PvE is boring as hell because it's always the same crap over and over. I don't see how someone enjoys that.

Let pvp players role as random boss in the PvE dungeon and we'll for sure enjoy the match against PvE players

Dude...that would be an AWESOME idea! I would LOVE to be a boss in a Vet dungeon lolololol. Imagine seeing PvE heroes go up against a proxy det, meteor, fossilize, talons combo lol.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Sallington wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

The first DLC was a PVP DLC and people still insist PVP has had no updates.

This dude does NOT.

IC A PVP UPDATE? What are you smoking bro?

Filled to the brim with 2 new dungeons and smothered in pve mobs and bosses everywhere. Nothing claimable. Not districts or anything at all. No leaderboards or objectives or ffs even a flag or area to take or fight over. Just die respawn die respawn. Nothing to actually accomplish and streamlined spawns that make for boring, tedious, repetitive gameplay. Just bc you happen to be able to kill people in IC does not make IC a "PVP DLC", it makes it a shoddy attempt at both that remains almost entirely unfinished. And that was all PVP got in 2 years of this game since launch.

Let's count what PVE got.
Every zone besides 1 in the game.
Craglorn update. 2 trials and VDSA.
Undaunted / daily pledges update.
Wrothgar update. And VMSA.
And now Hews Bane update. Another trial.

Yeah that's what I thought.

Very clearly sold and described as a pvp expansion.

http://www.gameplanet.com.au/pc/news/g55a71a9df2cea/Zenimax-details-The-Imperial-City-TESOs-first-expansion/

Also Wrobel said when asked about why they were doing a PVP expansion first he said "PVE has gotten all the love for a long time. Now its PVP's turn IC is a PVP expansion.". So you might want to talk to ZOS because they think it WAS a PVP expansion. I remember you guys talking about IC being so awesome. You wanted all these sheep to slaughter. You guys were literally drooling over being able to loot people who cant fight back.

So ya it absolutely was a pvp expansion. It just shows that you guys have no idea what you want.

Actually it was Rick Lambert who said this:

I've seen this mentioned a few times in various threads now, so i'll clarify some here. Imperial City is meant for the PVP player - it's their turn for some love. If you love PVE and are clamoring for more of that type of content, the Orsinium DLC will be exactly what you want.

They also clearly advertised and sold Cyrodil as a PvP zone that can handle " hundreds of players on screen at once." A phrase they've even taken off their site at this point.

[snip]

Its not "white knighting" to discuss factual information. I was talking to someone else about how the IC DLC was a PVP DLC and not a PVE DLC. Has nothing to do with defending or not defending ZOS. I was just pointing out I was correct.
[edited to remove quote]

DjKahun · March 2016

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

I run infused on big pieces

The answer is in the question, young grasshopper.

but tell me how would impenetrable give me any bonus at all as I said sorcerer shields are not affected by criticals and the shields are up 100% I would rather have more max magicka/more spell damage over having a bonus that would only affect me when I'm down to my health which is pretty much never? & isn't helmet classed as a big piece?

frozywozy · March 2016

DjKahun wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

I run infused on big pieces

The answer is in the question, young grasshopper.

but tell me how would impenetrable give me any bonus at all as I said sorcerer shields are not affected by criticals and the shields are up 100% I would rather have more max magicka/more spell damage over having a bonus that would only affect me when I'm down to my health which is pretty much never? & isn't helmet classed as a big piece?

Magicka sorcerer is the only class/spec in the game that doesn't need to wear impen since shields cannot be crit yet today. Enjoy stacking more magicka and get all 3 advantages in the meantime (damage, defense, sustain).

DjKahun · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

I run infused on big pieces

The answer is in the question, young grasshopper.

but tell me how would impenetrable give me any bonus at all as I said sorcerer shields are not affected by criticals and the shields are up 100% I would rather have more max magicka/more spell damage over having a bonus that would only affect me when I'm down to my health which is pretty much never? & isn't helmet classed as a big piece?

Magicka sorcerer is the only class/spec in the game that doesn't need to wear impen since shields cannot be crit yet today. Enjoy stacking more magicka and get all 3 advantages in the meantime (damage, defense, sustain).

That's exactly what I thought. So don't know what that guy is on about lol I run all impen on my stamplar as he does not have a lot of shields to stack like my sorcerer does which is not affected by crits that's why I found infused & divines to benefit me a lot more.

_Chaos · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

You guys were literally drooling over being able to loot people who cant fight back.

No that is absolutely not what we wanted. Actually, that's literally PVE to a T.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

So ya it absolutely was a pvp expansion. It just shows that you guys have no idea what you want.

Actually it was Rick Lambert who said this:

I've seen this mentioned a few times in various threads now, so i'll clarify some here. Imperial City is meant for the PVP player - it's their turn for some love. If you love PVE and are clamoring for more of that type of content, the Orsinium DLC will be exactly what you want.

No Idea what we want? All because some ZOSE employee said it was for the PVPer's?
Do you believe everything they say? Do you blindly follow without looking at the content yourself?

It's absolutely a PVE zone with PVP enabled. There's not ONE SINGLE PVP OBJECTIVE IN THE ENTIRE AREA.

Please, do go on about how it's absolutely a pvp expansion and somehow ZOS words equate to us not knowing what we want.
@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Prabooo · March 2016

People talk about the lack of PvP objectives in IC, although I disagree: the main motivation for PvP is PvP alone ... Kill or be killed

GRxKnight · March 2016

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

You guys were literally drooling over being able to loot people who cant fight back.

No that is absolutely not what we wanted. Actually, that's literally PVE to a T.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

So ya it absolutely was a pvp expansion. It just shows that you guys have no idea what you want.

Actually it was Rick Lambert who said this:

I've seen this mentioned a few times in various threads now, so i'll clarify some here. Imperial City is meant for the PVP player - it's their turn for some love. If you love PVE and are clamoring for more of that type of content, the Orsinium DLC will be exactly what you want.

No Idea what we want? All because some ZOSE employee said it was for the PVPer's?
Do you believe everything they say? Do you blindly follow without looking at the content yourself?

It's absolutely a PVE zone with PVP enabled. There's not ONE SINGLE PVP OBJECTIVE IN THE ENTIRE AREA.

Please, do go on about how it's absolutely a pvp expansion and somehow ZOS words equate to us not knowing what we want.
@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

The guy is obviously a pve scrub that's upset that we change the game too much so as to make his pve runs a little more challenging...heaven forbid that this game be anything but a face roll for PvE...

Sallington · March 2016

Prabooo wrote: »

People talk about the lack of PvP objectives in IC, although I disagree: the main motivation for PvP is PvP alone ... Kill or be killed

You just described a team deathmatch. No one is asking for that.

_Chaos · March 2016

Prabooo wrote: »

People talk about the lack of PvP objectives in IC, although I disagree: the main motivation for PvP is PvP alone ... Kill or be killed

This isn't Team Death Match.

GRxKnight · March 2016

Prabooo wrote: »

People talk about the lack of PvP objectives in IC, although I disagree: the main motivation for PvP is PvP alone ... Kill or be killed

There are no objectives in IC so one goes there except for PVErs and people grinding exp...sounds like a pve zone to me

kuro-dono · March 2016

lol. some people dont know difference between pvp and ava. this is Essentially AvA game with PVE on the side. and yeah Imperial city dlc is PVE content with PVP as an sidekick to atract pvp:ers to farm the pve heroes who cant defend themself against players since they too damn used to fight npc:s.

All welcome to the land of greenery where sheeps are getting slauhtered by hungry wolfs.

I bet all those frustrated pvp folks who farm the pve folks are feeling huge ego booster same time when they can shout> MOMMY LOOK I ONE SHOT THESE N00BS!

frozywozy · March 2016

kuro-dono wrote: »

lol. some people dont know difference between pvp and ava. this is Essentially AvA game with PVE on the side. and yeah Imperial city dlc is PVE content with PVP as an sidekick to atract pvp:ers to farm the pve heroes who cant defend themself against players since they too damn used to fight npc:s.

All welcome to the land of greenery where sheeps are getting slauhtered by hungry wolfs.

I bet all those frustrated pvp folks who farm the pve folks are feeling huge ego booster same time when they can shout> MOMMY LOOK I ONE SHOT THESE N00BS!

wot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

I still have to shake my head at people who insist this wasnt put out by ZOS as a PVP expansion. I showed you links where they call it a PVP expansion. Where PVE players are told we can just wait for Orisnium because PVP deserve love first. Then people insist that ZOS doesnt like PVP. Mind boggling lol.

Joy_Division · March 2016

DjKahun wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

I run infused on big pieces

The answer is in the question, young grasshopper.

but tell me how would impenetrable give me any bonus at all as I said sorcerer shields are not affected by criticals and the shields are up 100% I would rather have more max magicka/more spell damage over having a bonus that would only affect me when I'm down to my health which is pretty much never? & isn't helmet classed as a big piece?

Most people do fill their quota on "Kill Sorcerer" bounties.

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I still have to shake my head at people who insist this wasnt put out by ZOS as a PVP expansion. I showed you links where they call it a PVP expansion. Where PVE players are told we can just wait for Orisnium because PVP deserve love first. Then people insist that ZOS doesnt like PVP. Mind boggling lol.

Its not a PVP update, it was in its early incarnation that was showed at the guild summit in 2014 but that all changed with the B2P and they changed it from a PVP update to a PVe grind zone.

IPC is nothing more then Craglorn where you can kill players, thats hardly PVP....every 3 meters is a pack of trash mobs, every single fight is interfered in by trash mobs, thats why no one goes there...complete waste of time...its nothing more then a PVe grind zone.

the only people there are those grinding toons of grinding trophies for a vault, no one would want to PVP in a zone where every single fight is decided and interupted by Craglorn type mobs....hence why the majority of PVP is in up top Cyrodiil.

Psilent · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I still have to shake my head at people who insist this wasnt put out by ZOS as a PVP expansion. I showed you links where they call it a PVP expansion. Where PVE players are told we can just wait for Orisnium because PVP deserve love first. Then people insist that ZOS doesnt like PVP. Mind boggling lol.

You just don't get it do you? If IC was a PvP expansion it would have changed the rules of Cyrodiil and how the map is played.

1. Sewer access would have been locked unless you met certain conditions in Cyrodiil.

2. Districts would have been able to be captured by alliances. Adding to the campaign score and preventing other alliances from resurrecting or popping up there until they retook it.

3. Quite possibly could have opened up changes for acquiring Emperor.

4. Most importantly, would be used today for active PvP. Right now, it's a ghost town.

All Imperial City is right now is a place that I can go quest and have the possibility of an enemy player attacking me. Reminds me of PvP servers on World of Warcraft. Sure, it's "Player vers Player", but not the type of PvP that I want for an AvAvA game.

Sallington · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I still have to shake my head at people who insist this wasnt put out by ZOS as a PVP expansion. I showed you links where they call it a PVP expansion. Where PVE players are told we can just wait for Orisnium because PVP deserve love first. Then people insist that ZOS doesnt like PVP. Mind boggling lol.

You need to separate ZOS statements and what actually happens.

If ZOS tells you that they are making trees green, and you log in and they are brown, are you just going to agree with ZOS that the trees are green?

DjKahun · March 2016

Psilent wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I still have to shake my head at people who insist this wasnt put out by ZOS as a PVP expansion. I showed you links where they call it a PVP expansion. Where PVE players are told we can just wait for Orisnium because PVP deserve love first. Then people insist that ZOS doesnt like PVP. Mind boggling lol.

You just don't get it do you? If IC was a PvP expansion it would have changed the rules of Cyrodiil and how the map is played.

1. Sewer access would have been locked unless you met certain conditions in Cyrodiil.

2. Districts would have been able to be captured by alliances. Adding to the campaign score and preventing other alliances from resurrecting or popping up there until they retook it.

3. Quite possibly could have opened up changes for acquiring Emperor.

4. Most importantly, would be used today for active PvP. Right now, it's a ghost town.

All Imperial City is right now is a place that I can go quest and have the possibility of an enemy player attacking me. Reminds me of PvP servers on World of Warcraft. Sure, it's "Player vers Player", but not the type of PvP that I want for an AvAvA game.

I don't mind IC as it is now, I love going around the sewers looking for people to kill that have been farming tel var stones for me

RadioheadSh0t · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I still have to shake my head at people who insist this wasnt put out by ZOS as a PVP expansion. I showed you links where they call it a PVP expansion. Where PVE players are told we can just wait for Orisnium because PVP deserve love first. Then people insist that ZOS doesnt like PVP. Mind boggling lol.

Wow... Just wow... What's mind-boggling is your insistence that IC is a PvP update...

ZOS could [urinate] on your head and tell you it's raining and you'd believe them and say "Hey guys come dance in the rain puddles with me!"

Ghost-Shot · March 2016

DjKahun wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

DjKahun wrote: »

I run infused on big pieces

The answer is in the question, young grasshopper.

but tell me how would impenetrable give me any bonus at all as I said sorcerer shields are not affected by criticals and the shields are up 100% I would rather have more max magicka/more spell damage over having a bonus that would only affect me when I'm down to my health which is pretty much never? & isn't helmet classed as a big piece?

1. It was a shoulder piece up for sale this week, infused is bad for that slot across the board, its literally 30 more magicka versus 250 crit resistance or ~75 regen.
2. Everything but a magicka sorc NEEDS impen on their gear and these traits should be determined by what an already incredibly strong spec wants although I would be ok if they made infuse/impen available on heads and divines/impen available on shoulders each week. Impen is the more widely useful trait though so if only one trait is possible it should be impen.