I'm the only one who is scared about every next patch they do?

Definitely nerfed. Single greens are much more common now. I haven't seen a double blue safebox since the patch. And to anyone who thinks troves are a reliable source of income, lol. Just lol.

First troves, now safeboxes. I can safely say the Thieves Guild update has been the worst thing to happen to thieves since justice was implemented.

Contraptions wrote: »

Definitely nerfed. Single greens are much more common now. I haven't seen a double blue safebox since the patch. And to anyone who thinks troves are a reliable source of income, lol. Just lol.

First troves, now safeboxes. I can safely say the Thieves Guild update has been the worst thing to happen to thieves since justice was implemented.

So it's not just me. Great.

Yah the quicker respawn doesn't help when you were already spreading yourself out over many areas already. So this is basically a huge nerf.

For comparison I went around killing mobs for 20 minutes and found my income increasing by around the same amount when you take into account dropped gold and sellable items.

Safeboxes were the more intricate and engaging way to make more money for more risk, now it just more risk.

Is patch 2-3-7 live yet?
My game version says 2.3.6.x ..

I have indeed had double blue lockboxes since patch, but the spawn rate is WAY too high now. I literally cannot get to them fast enough to keep up in several of my farm spots. I can now safely destroy any greens I find as well as whites like I used to. I will be selling 140 blues per day now. Funny thing is, if I choose a city to farm, it will still appear just as empty to other players, but the difference is that I am now getting richer.

Instead of making such broad changes to an otherwise fun and well-implemented system, they should have just made the hint that tells players where boxes can be found more obvious, if that is possible.

Not that I ever opened a lot of Safeboxes before, but now I see no reason to open any of them as they are the highest risk activity you can do in the Thieves/Legerdemain outside of Murder and I don't murder NPCs.

If the return is not worth the risk then I see no need to take the risk.

staracino_ESO wrote: »

Ok so why can't the players who complained explore and find the boxes for themselves?

Also, I do not need to run to multiple boxes, I do because it would be boring otherwise. I can just sit in one spot and farm them like the original troves. That's irony, there.

I didn't see anyone complain about it, at least not here. Gotta admit I was thinking last night it might be nice to have an instanced box for the quest esp in a small area like Baandari Outpost. Sure wouldnt have wanted to get it nerfed for the career thieves, tho.

Xendyn wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

Ok so why can't the players who complained explore and find the boxes for themselves?

Also, I do not need to run to multiple boxes, I do because it would be boring otherwise. I can just sit in one spot and farm them like the original troves. That's irony, there.

I didn't see anyone complain about it, at least not here. Gotta admit I was thinking last night it might be nice to have an instanced box for the quest esp in a small area like Baandari Outpost. Sure wouldnt have wanted to get it nerfed for the career thieves, tho.

Players who were doing the tip board quests were running into problems because the lock boxes in some zones were being farmed out. Not by individual players, but by everyone who got that tip board assignment, and had it overlap with their's.

This was a bigger issue for players who hadn't hit vet, and were restricted to the five non-vet zones for their tip board missions. It was never as much of an issue for vet players who could go into silver and gold zones for their lockboxes.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Playing devils advocate here so bear with me. If they didnt reduce the blue items from these boxes they would all be camped 24 hours a day like the thieves troves were. You wont be able to loot them because they will have become a far greater source of gold than they were before. That would defeat the purpose of improving the spawn.

Yeah, I'm inclined to think this was a necessary change, at least for the non-vet zones. But, probably shouldn't have been implemented for Silver and Gold zones. Though, I'm not 100% sure if the system is set up to handle selective changes like that.

Xendyn wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

Ok so why can't the players who complained explore and find the boxes for themselves?

Also, I do not need to run to multiple boxes, I do because it would be boring otherwise. I can just sit in one spot and farm them like the original troves. That's irony, there.

I didn't see anyone complain about it, at least not here. Gotta admit I was thinking last night it might be nice to have an instanced box for the quest esp in a small area like Baandari Outpost. Sure wouldnt have wanted to get it nerfed for the career thieves, tho.

Didn't mean to double quote, but... a separate issue.

The tip board quests stick circles on the map to suggest places you can go looking for strong boxes (or pickpocket targets, or whatever), but it's not mandatory that you get those from those places. This is especially true in Malabal Tor and Grahtwood, where there are actually much better places to find strong boxes than inside those circles.

For non-vets this actually made life much more difficult than it needed to be. Because you had players thinking they couldn't just find a lockbox in Malabal Tor, it needed to be in the Trading Post (which only has three or four boxes total, as I recall). So it was entirely possible the quest would point you to an area where no boxes had spawned at all, and if they did, you were in direct competition with other players for them.

starkerealm wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

Ok so why can't the players who complained explore and find the boxes for themselves?

Also, I do not need to run to multiple boxes, I do because it would be boring otherwise. I can just sit in one spot and farm them like the original troves. That's irony, there.

I didn't see anyone complain about it, at least not here. Gotta admit I was thinking last night it might be nice to have an instanced box for the quest esp in a small area like Baandari Outpost. Sure wouldnt have wanted to get it nerfed for the career thieves, tho.

Didn't mean to double quote, but... a separate issue.

The tip board quests stick circles on the map to suggest places you can go looking for strong boxes (or pickpocket targets, or whatever), but it's not mandatory that you get those from those places. This is especially true in Malabal Tor and Grahtwood, where there are actually much better places to find strong boxes than inside those circles.

For non-vets this actually made life much more difficult than it needed to be. Because you had players thinking they couldn't just find a lockbox in Malabal Tor, it needed to be in the Trading Post (which only has three or four boxes total, as I recall). So it was entirely possible the quest would point you to an area where no boxes had spawned at all, and if they did, you were in direct competition with other players for them.

Yah I guess that's why I had trouble figuring out why people were having so much trouble finding safeboxes.

I never went to the cirlces on the maps. The quest does say "any safebox in Grahtwood", for instance, not sure why it circles only 2 cities.

danno8 wrote: »

Hmmm, I'm starting to see a lot more blues now.....

Maybe

starkerealm wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

Ok so why can't the players who complained explore and find the boxes for themselves?

Also, I do not need to run to multiple boxes, I do because it would be boring otherwise. I can just sit in one spot and farm them like the original troves. That's irony, there.

I didn't see anyone complain about it, at least not here. Gotta admit I was thinking last night it might be nice to have an instanced box for the quest esp in a small area like Baandari Outpost. Sure wouldnt have wanted to get it nerfed for the career thieves, tho.

Didn't mean to double quote, but... a separate issue.

The tip board quests stick circles on the map to suggest places you can go looking for strong boxes (or pickpocket targets, or whatever), but it's not mandatory that you get those from those places. This is especially true in Malabal Tor and Grahtwood, where there are actually much better places to find strong boxes than inside those circles.

For non-vets this actually made life much more difficult than it needed to be. Because you had players thinking they couldn't just find a lockbox in Malabal Tor, it needed to be in the Trading Post (which only has three or four boxes total, as I recall). So it was entirely possible the quest would point you to an area where no boxes had spawned at all, and if they did, you were in direct competition with other players for them.

Yah I guess that's why I had trouble figuring out why people were having so much trouble finding safeboxes.

I never went to the cirlces on the maps. The quest does say "any safebox in Grahtwood", for instance, not sure why it circles only 2 cities.

It's the normal structure for the game. It says, "hey, get an item I need, or do a thing, here let me circle it on your map." You don't usually get those when you can run halfway across the map and get the same result. Note, I said, "usually," there are a few exceptions I can think of, like getting your hands on a Red Rook disguise in the "wrong" part of Glenumbra. But, normally? The quest markers do tell you where to go. And, most players will simply follow their quest marker.

EDIT: Wait, I'm a derp.

I kinda suspect that at some point in testing the circles were added, either to give people an idea of where to search, or because there was some other mechanic at work. But instead of it being viewed as a suggestion, people were taking it as a hard rule.

Sorry about going off on a weird tangent back there.

danno8 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Playing devils advocate here so bear with me. If they didnt reduce the blue items from these boxes they would all be camped 24 hours a day like the thieves troves were. You wont be able to loot them because they will have become a far greater source of gold than they were before. That would defeat the purpose of improving the spawn.

I don't think they should have changed them at all.

I had no problem finding lockboxes before for the TG quests, so to me this is just a nerf in the quality of stuff you get from them.

Well a lot of people have. They couldnt just up the spawn rate and leave the loot. A flood of gold is not good for the economy. It will cause the prices of everything to go up. Nevermind the issue with people using bots to camp the spawn points I mentioned earlier.

Nestor wrote: »

I just pickpocket people for these quests. I did not even know a Safebox loot could be an alternative. Unless there are other quests later on after you have felt up everyone in Tamriel picking pockets.

There's (at least) three different tip board missions. "Pickpocket 3 items with X keyword in Y, Z, and A, zones... or just pickpocket 10 people in those zones." "Crack a strongbox in zone X, one in Y, and one in Z." And, "get me three laundered treasure items with X or Y keyword."

The pickpocketing has to be pickpocketing. Murder doesn't work. Stealing random stuff doesn't work.

Strongboxes can be any strongbox in that zone. Pickpocketing doesn't work, random stealing doesn't count.

Three Laundered Items can be acquired anyway you want, but all three need to have the right keywords, and none of them can be stolen (that is to say, they MUST be laundered before turning them in).

EDIT: the first zone will always be one of the initial three zones. So it can be Glenumbra, Stonefalls, Auridon, Stormhaven, Deshann, Grahtwood, Rivenspire, Shadowfen, or Greenshade. The next two will always be the following two zones in that alliance. So if you start with Rivenspire, your second zone will be Alik'r, and your final one will be Bangkorai.

starkerealm wrote: »

The pickpocket quests do seem to be the most common, though. But, I'm not sure if that's just a statistical anomaly.

Those are the only ones I have gotten, is to go pick pockets.

I steal the boxes in craglorn bank many many times a day. Almost always 2 blue items inside.

Wrothgar boxes will have one or two greens. But never two blues. Mostly one green.
Is this to be expected every where now?