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No magicka regen in hide (pvp)

Bulljoker
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This question is for pvp
so.. magicka nightblade can be invisible like .. forever.

what if they had NO MAGICKA REGEN while invisible and moving?
Edited by Bulljoker on March 20, 2016 1:19PM
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No magicka regen in hide (pvp) 58 votes

No regen at all
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No regen while moving
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Full regen as it is now
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  • Olern
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    No regen at all
    I think if there's no stamina regen while stealthing, it should be the same for magicka. What I'd RATHER see, is they go back to regaining stamina while stealthing.
  • mertusta
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    Use detect pots, aoe skills, caltropts etc. Case solved.
  • Bulljoker
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    No regen while moving
    mertusta wrote: »
    Use detect pots, aoe skills, caltropts etc. Case solved.

    no it's not solved, it's about magicka vs. stamina build
    also it makes sense.. they are invisible, it shoudnt be easy.. so just like stamina can't regen in stealth(also you need stamina for sprint,block,cc break,roll dodge) why the hell not make magicka nightblades not regenerating magicka in invisiblity. nightblades are way too much OP right now, they are not even running magicka regen now, just HUGE AOE BURST, kill bunch of ppl and go on, meanwhile they can block and rolldodge.. stamina can't do any of this, they jump into alot of enemies.. what now, aoe and detonation everywhere so i have to block, but if i do that i am out of stamina and i can't do damage


    SO WHY THE HELL NOT NERF ATLEAST MAGICKA NBS THIS WAY
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  • olsborg
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    No regen while moving
    Currently your stamina will regen if youre standing still and in stealth, should be the same for magicka tbh. If youre cloaking tho youre not technically stealthing since your invisible, having no stamina or magicka regen in cloak (i think if one goes so should the other) it would be too severe for this kinda gameplay.
    Edited by olsborg on March 20, 2016 1:51PM

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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    No regen at all
    mertusta wrote: »
    Use detect pots, aoe skills, caltropts etc. Case solved.

    Oh look another NB saying "AOE this and that" because of you NBs crying detection potions got nerfed again and a NB is stealth lock for 3 seconds now and AOEs are not a solution because hey 2 steps and their out of it cloaking away again.

    No magicka regen when under cloak effects and honestly under the effects of a damage shield too is only fair seeing how stamina users can't regen when blocking or moving when crouched or even when sprinting. But oh that would make stamina users OP again and force magicka users to cry forever again saying they need buffed again.
  • rokrdt05
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    Full regen as it is now
    I see two very distinct things from what the poll is asking and what people are thinking of.

    Sure if someone is sneaking (using crouch) to move around then yes I would say there should be no magicka regen as this applies to stamina.

    However if what you are really asking for is there to be no regen while invisible I.E. invis pots, cloak... then no it should be left as it is. Contrary to what people are saying it cost magicka to keep cloak up, it cannot be done indefinitely unless you have a full regen build in which case you don't have that much damage to contend with. Add on top of magicka NB's using cloak with blur to move faster and now you have 2 skills costing magicka which is still draining on your resources. My magicka NB has a build that has a mix of sustain and damage... I can tell you right now that I cannot keep cloak up with only 2k regen and buffs and keep attacking.

    With this patch there were counters to stealth added in on top of what's there... adding a magicka regen nerf is a little too much imo.
    Edited by rokrdt05 on March 20, 2016 2:59PM
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  • Strider_Roshin
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    No regen at all
    There should be no magicka regen when blocking, dodge rolling, bashing, sneaking, sprinting, or for 2 seconds while breaking free. Also every damage shield activation should have a 4 second cooldown where reapplying another damage shield within 4 seconds resets the cooldown and increases the cost by 33%. Sounds like something that would destroy magicka build's regen right? Sounds like a scum bag thing to do right? Welcome to the world of stamina builds. It sucks.
  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    No regen at all
    This really only concerns a nightblade.

    Magicka Nightblade's can cloak permanently without sneaking. So there is no loosing stamina.
    Stamina Nightblade's have to be in sneak to move around invisible but now we have 0 stamina while moving around...

    Sound's like double standard's to me.

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  • milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
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    Full regen as it is now
    I support full regen while both stealthing and running. There is absolutely no good reason for ZOS to have removed Stamina regen while crouched or sprinting.

    The nerf to dodge-rolling was a much needed balancing act, and it was enough, IMHO.

    If you're going to build for Stamina regeneration, you should reap the rewards.

    If they're so concerned about regen builds spiraling out of control, then maybe it's time they put soft caps back.

    :)
  • Ffastyl
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    No regen while moving
    I feel like we wouldn't be having these discussions if the game weren't suffering from deeply rooted power creep.
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  • Waffennacht
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    Ffastyl wrote: »
    I feel like we wouldn't be having these discussions if the game weren't suffering from deeply rooted power creep.

    I disagree, this very issue has been fought over for over a year. It's just when someone finally faces a few good NBs in a row...

    It's gonna be a while before the power in PvP will be close to what it was before damage reduction.

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  • kaithuzar
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    I disagree with the options, because I feel it's currently broke.
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    Full regen as it is now
    Invisable batswarm already suffered huge nerfs in the thieves guild patch and you want to stop magicka regen for the few situations where batswarm still works properly?
  • WreckfulAbandon
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    If you want to talk about double standards then why does Vigor not pop the user out of stealth while magicka abilities do?

    Cloak will never be nerfed enough for some ppl... Meanwhile the true PvPers adapt, learn to cope, and never had a problem in the first place...
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  • Strider_Roshin
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    No regen at all
    If you want to talk about double standards then why does Vigor not pop the user out of stealth while magicka abilities do?

    Cloak will never be nerfed enough for some ppl... Meanwhile the true PvPers adapt, learn to cope, and never had a problem in the first place...

    I'd love to know why GDB breaks stealth but bursting spikes out of my back with hardened armor doesn't. Explain that one.
    Edited by Strider_Roshin on March 21, 2016 11:55AM
  • EsoRecon
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    Full regen as it is now
    And I am primarly a stam user
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  • Hurika
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    I think no magicka regen while shields are up sound fair too then if we're nerfing other classes ability to survive. I"m not a magicka NB but it's not really a change that needed to them - there's plenty of ways to deal with cloak.
  • Autolycus
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    Quick question OP, ever played a vr16 magblade in pvp? This isn't as black&white as you're implying. You have to build for permacloaking, and permacloaking doesn't get you kills. The best NBs in cyro, imho, are those that aren't even using cloak. As a general rule, building for that kind of regen is a big sacrifice in terms of damage. People who run 2k+ regen are sinking a whole lot into a dump stat, when they could be putting it into something useful like damage or mitigation.

    Taking away mag recovery while cloaking wouldn't accomplish a whole lot - that magblade would have enough magicka to lose you long before they ran out of resources.
    Edited by Autolycus on March 21, 2016 7:56PM
  • RAGUNAnoOne
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    Full regen as it is now
    Are you joking? cloak can now be rendered 100% useless by using magelight with no CC link and you want more nerfs because you refuse to slot it or use any other of the 10 cloak counters!?
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  • LBxFinalDeath
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    What I'd like to see is no magicka regen if you have shields up.
  • Vangy
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    Here's a little story. Yesterday I was on my DC toon near aleswell on TF. 2 mag blades from AD kept farming people with their invis, lotus fan, soul tether cheese. There i was having my dinner while my toon was perched atop the keep wall watching the same bunch of DC running and dying, running and dying, running and dying doing NOTHING different after every respawn. They didnt even TRY to counter. No caltrops, no aoe no nothing. They just keep running over and over again to Ales farm to get farmed (lol right?). Which left me laughing my ass off. So eventually I felt sorry for these clowns so I threw on rml and walked up with them on their next charge. Saw the nbs, i walked right up to their face and did nothing but rml + hardened ward spam + immovable pot. The 2 nbs ( both very high ranking, i think one general and the other a prelate) got their butts handed to them cos they couldnt go into stealth and were swarmed by the 20 DC there.

    Moral of the story. Use the counters given to us please. A magblade with no cloak is a deadblade. Your game plan should be "how do I stop him from cloaking". If ur a magicka toon, you have the best and most ridiculous counter available in this game. MAGELIGHT. Just walk up to them and hit it. GG nb. Its funny how the forum was filled with OMG magelight going to be SOOO OP nbs are screwed and yet, post TG, barely ANYONE slots magelight and the whole world is STILL whining about nbs going into cloak. COME ON GUYS. USE the OP skill given to us please?
    Edited by Vangy on March 22, 2016 9:43AM
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  • Daraugh
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    Full regen as it is now
    All you'd end up hurting is pve built magblades, pvpers have lots of cloak counters. Use those.
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  • Autolycus
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    Everyone has cheesy wombos. I can DB of Smiting + Deep Breathe on my DK and accomplish the same thing. Quit calling for nerfs; you're wasting everyone's time.
    Edited by Autolycus on March 22, 2016 1:45PM
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