Elitism in Tamriel

Xjcon · March 2016

Valrien wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Ah good ol Elitists. Gotta love having someone make you feel bad about your build, play style, etc. It may be easy to ignore but personally it still sometimes gets to me. For instance I was tanking vet EH and it was a normal run with no issues until the last boss. He took a little longer than normal to get down but we still finished him off without a group wipe. After we finished I get a message from one of the DPS saying my tanking was bad and I need to hold the boss better which I had aggro on the entire time. After telling him that he said "well if you run with my groups then they would call you out on your tanking and you need to change it". I should also mention that he was the only person who had a problem with me. So that's how I began to hate elitists and you should never make anyone feel bad about playing a game they enjoy. Idc who you are. That just is not acceptable IMO.

While he may have said it wrong, his intentions were (maybe) in the right place. Calling someone out on their mistakes is usually the best way to get people to improve, because if they don't know what they're doing wrong how can they improve?

You may have been holding aggro, but was the boss moving? If he was then your group-mate might mean that you could have been pulling him out of the AoE DoTs that the DPS are laying down, causing the fight to go longer. Some people love getting the most DPS they can so they can get pretty salty if the boss is moving all over the arena...the rest of the group may not have been like that though so that's why they didn't have a problem or they simply didn't notice.

All in all a lot of people have very good intentions and simply say things the wrong way...people just shouldn't get too pissed about it. The best thing is to talk to them and see what they mean. If they're simple being an arsehole just to be one then you can go off on them but some people genuinely want to help even if they're unable to communicate it well.

@FLuFFyxMuFFiN

I tanked him how I always tank him. He stays in one spot. He rotated a little bit during the fight because I had to get out of the fire for a minute but other than that he never left the area I was tanking him in. And my other group members said I did a fine job and they never have any issues with me. So I am going to go ahead and say that it was an error on the other persons end ( but thats okay because we still finished it ) because that was the only time I have ever dealt with anyone like him other than the guy who was being DPS instead of heals (he was our healer) and yelled at me for dying but thats different story.

It's just a crap player who can't adjust to something he isn't used to. Even if there was something you did wrong but you 1 shot the boss how was it wrong? I don't care if you run circles around the boss while holding aggro so long as the boss doesn't turn and smack me.

A tank should be able to keep the boss in one place. Many builds (especially with the new relevance of Wall of Elements) use AoE DoTs and they are a HUGE increase to damage. It's not just the tanks job to hold aggro, it's to support the group. Buffs, staying still, maybe some off-DPS. Hell I can hold aggro on my full-DPS and slot a skill to stay alive but that doesn't make me a proper tank.

Adaptation is a good skill to have, but I have a right to say something to my tank if he/she can't stay close to my Wall and Liquid Lightning. If someone does something wrong (yes, even if you end up finishing the run) tell them. Don't shelter them from the fact that they did something wrong just because you're afraid to hurt their feelings.

I'm sorry but you lost me at the phrase "you have a right to say something"

If you go to a random group expecting it to be like when you run it with your friends or guildies your going to most likely be disapointed.

True Elite players will just adapt and move on after its over. No need to be the teacher the person never asked for.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2016

Valrien wrote: »

If someone does something wrong (yes, even if you end up finishing the run) tell them. Don't shelter them from the fact that they did something wrong just because you're afraid to hurt their feelings.

No. 200% NO.

- If you have completed the run, then you have what you wanted (and the person did not play that bad otherwise you would not have completed the run - maybe just person just played differently from you, that's all).

- Do NOT, EVER, give advice to someone who did not ask for it - that's counterproductive

- Be VERY CAREFUL of people's feelings - they're more important than your little ego.

Just shut up, say "thank you" and move on.

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Resipsa131 · March 2016

Ran the daily at lunch today on my Tank with a decent healer that knew what he was doing and two horrendous DPS. It certainly makes it challenging to get the most out of limited DPS and certainly challenges the tank and healer.

Daraugh · March 2016

Thelon wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

This one is storm proof, she carries an umbrella with her in case of cold wet rains.

Ah yes! So you have seen this one diving into dungeons with her mighty Umbrella of the Fanciful Cocktail Drink!

Krist · March 2016

One thing you have to remember about elitists is that they are not as elite as they pretend. They run with others that are good because they cannot make up the difference for bad players, and that bothers them. Basically they NEED others that are good at their job. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't get mad or out of sorts with them for what they are asking for.

I have avoided teams like that, because I solo so much I have no clue or desire to know what it is they are expecting.

I have a guild that tells you exactly how to build your character if you want to run with them on group dungeons etc, from which powers to choose to which armor to wear. If you do not match up to exactly what they say/want, you cannot join their delves. They are very nice people, but they fall into the category I said above, they cannot compensate for anything out of order.
I will say no one has ever complained about me when I have run in groups, but always waiting because I dont pay any mind to what they think is "the best" this week. I play my part be it tank, dps, or healer, and sometimes I have to play more than one part because someone else is lacking. I am okay with that, makes me feel.....elite!

Valrien · March 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

If someone does something wrong (yes, even if you end up finishing the run) tell them. Don't shelter them from the fact that they did something wrong just because you're afraid to hurt their feelings.

No. 200% NO.

- If you have completed the run, then you have what you wanted (and the person did not play that bad otherwise you would not have completed the run - maybe just person just played differently from you, that's all).

- Do NOT, EVER, give advice to someone who did not ask for it - that's counterproductive

- Be VERY CAREFUL of people's feelings - they're more important than your little ego.

Just shut up, say "thank you" and move on.

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My point is not about playing badly, although that's an aspect...but if people make a mistake that otherwise could have made the fight easier then why hold it back? Then they'll just keep making the same mistake until someone else tells them.

-What progress does that make? They can take your advice if they want, if they don't then nothing changes but if they take it then things were changed for the better. There is a difference between "playing differently" and "making a mistake".

-Some people don't know any better. If they don't know they made a mistake how can they ask for advice?

-My ego is not what's important here. Yes, I have an ego...anyone you talk to that knows me in-game can confirm that, but how is making someone aware of their mistake egotistical? I know what I should do, I know how I handle things in a fight. I probably won't ever run with that player again unless we hit it off or the group finder/zone chat puts us together again if they're a part of a PUG so what they do doesn't afterwards probably won't affect me in the slightest.

Call me an elitist if you want, that's how I operate and I haven't had it thrown back in my face yet so something works. Some of the players I've helped are still good friends with me.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2016

Valrien wrote: »

My point is not about playing badly, although that's an aspect...but if people make a mistake that otherwise could have made the fight easier then why hold it back? Then they'll just keep making the same mistake until someone else tells them.

-What progress does that make? They can take your advice if they want, if they don't then nothing changes but if they take it then things were changed for the better. There is a difference between "playing differently" and "making a mistake".

-Some people don't know any better. If they don't know they made a mistake how can they ask for advice?

-My ego is not what's important here. Yes, I have an ego...anyone you talk to that knows me in-game can confirm that, but how is making someone aware of their mistake egotistical? I know what I should do, I know how I handle things in a fight. I probably won't ever run with that player again unless we hit it off or the group finder/zone chat puts us together again if they're a part of a PUG so what they do doesn't afterwards probably won't affect me in the slightest.

Call me an elitist if you want, that's how I operate and I haven't had it thrown back in my face yet so something works. Some of the players I've helped are still good friends with me.

I haven't called you anything, and have purposedly NOT used the word "elitist" or anything like it.

The problem is that the difference between advice and criticism is mostly subjective and differs from person to person and situation to situation. Same applies to the difference between "playing differently" and "playing bad" or "making a mistake".

Yes, people will go on making the same mistake again and again, regardless if someone tells them or not. They will change it if when they become aware of it being a mistake - and that has nothing to do with you telling them or not. Unless they're ready to hear it, you "advice" will (best case) do nothing or (worst case) create conflict.

I'm not saying noone should ever provide help or give advice. I'm just saying that everyone should be careful with it, and that PUGs are most probably not the place to do so.

I often run Fungal grotto as "random vet dungeon" since the update. With randoms PUGs. It usually all goes well (the dungeon is not difficult anyway) and people are nice. Still, there is *always* a problem (and a few wipes) at Gamyne Bandu - people don't seem to understand that they have to spread apart from each other in order to be able to dodge her pink ray attack. I gave up explaining, because either people take it as a criticism, or they don't get it, or they don't care. They're just not ready for advice.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

If someone does something wrong (yes, even if you end up finishing the run) tell them. Don't shelter them from the fact that they did something wrong just because you're afraid to hurt their feelings.

No. 200% NO.

- If you have completed the run, then you have what you wanted (and the person did not play that bad otherwise you would not have completed the run - maybe just person just played differently from you, that's all).

- Do NOT, EVER, give advice to someone who did not ask for it - that's counterproductive

- Be VERY CAREFUL of people's feelings - they're more important than your little ego.

Just shut up, say "thank you" and move on.

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1 question - why should I care about people who dont care about me? This is very hypocritical to expect others to help you, carry you and care about your feelings when you dont care about their time and feelings after 1000th wipe.
Also carrying other people through dungeons is possible, but I see no point in doing it. An if a person doesnt want to cooperate, I leave. I used to carry, but the only thing I ever saw from those types is hypocrisy and toxicity (blaming healers, lying about their role, etc). They will ride through the dailies on your shoulders and proceed making fun of "no-lifers" and "elitists". They're only friendly to likeminded people so they're not any better than any elitist. Except that with elitists there's a chance they can back up their words.

UrQuan · March 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

If someone does something wrong (yes, even if you end up finishing the run) tell them. Don't shelter them from the fact that they did something wrong just because you're afraid to hurt their feelings.

No. 200% NO.

- If you have completed the run, then you have what you wanted (and the person did not play that bad otherwise you would not have completed the run - maybe just person just played differently from you, that's all).

- Do NOT, EVER, give advice to someone who did not ask for it - that's counterproductive

- Be VERY CAREFUL of people's feelings - they're more important than your little ego.

Just shut up, say "thank you" and move on.

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I totally disagree with this. If someone has advice for me on something I could do differently or better, I want to hear it whether I've asked for advice or not, and whether we've been successful or not. It's all about how you frame the advice though - don't be an abrasive jerk about it, and keep it friendly.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

why should I care about people who dont care about me? This is very hypocritical to expect others to help you, carry you and care about your feelings when you dont care about their time and feelings after 1000th wipe.

Scenario was about a completed dungeon run - not a 1000wipe dungeon run.

If you assume that anyone who (according to you) doesn't play as efficiently as you is an exploiter being carried by you, then just avoid PUGs altogether.
In my opinion, as long as the dungeon is completed without too much trouble, it doesn't matter.

Valrien · March 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

My point is not about playing badly, although that's an aspect...but if people make a mistake that otherwise could have made the fight easier then why hold it back? Then they'll just keep making the same mistake until someone else tells them.

-What progress does that make? They can take your advice if they want, if they don't then nothing changes but if they take it then things were changed for the better. There is a difference between "playing differently" and "making a mistake".

-Some people don't know any better. If they don't know they made a mistake how can they ask for advice?

-My ego is not what's important here. Yes, I have an ego...anyone you talk to that knows me in-game can confirm that, but how is making someone aware of their mistake egotistical? I know what I should do, I know how I handle things in a fight. I probably won't ever run with that player again unless we hit it off or the group finder/zone chat puts us together again if they're a part of a PUG so what they do doesn't afterwards probably won't affect me in the slightest.

Call me an elitist if you want, that's how I operate and I haven't had it thrown back in my face yet so something works. Some of the players I've helped are still good friends with me.

I haven't called you anything, and have purposedly NOT used the word "elitist" or anything like it.

The problem is that the difference between advice and criticism is mostly subjective and differs from person to person and situation to situation. Same applies to the difference between "playing differently" and "playing bad" or "making a mistake".

Yes, people will go on making the same mistake again and again, regardless if someone tells them or not. They will change it if when they become aware of it being a mistake - and that has nothing to do with you telling them or not. Unless they're ready to hear it, you "advice" will (best case) do nothing or (worst case) create conflict.

I'm not saying noone should ever provide help or give advice. I'm just saying that everyone should be careful with it, and that PUGs are most probably not the place to do so.

I often run Fungal grotto as "random vet dungeon" since the update. With randoms PUGs. It usually all goes well (the dungeon is not difficult anyway) and people are nice. Still, there is *always* a problem (and a few wipes) at Gamyne Bandu - people don't seem to understand that they have to spread apart from each other in order to be able to dodge her pink ray attack. I gave up explaining, because either people take it as a criticism, or they don't get it, or they don't care. They're just not ready for advice.

I didn't necessarily say you were or would, but I figured there's always "that one guy" who calls someone who's trying to offer advice an elitist so I should just put that little disclaimer there.

I will pretty much agree with you, people will or won't take my advice but I have to at least try. It either makes a better player, or nothing changes for the worse, and like I said before it's very unlikely I'll get to group with them again either way so I couldn't care less either way.

Also, while those definitions are subjective the way I see "playing badly" or "making a mistake" is simply that they are doing things wrong that have nothing to do with playstyle. For example, not killing Bandu's shadows that pin an ally is a BIG mistake but isn't playstyle related. Playing differently would be having a hybrid DPS build, or even just using a stamina character as I play magicka, which while I don't consider hybrids good it's something they're happy playing and it doesn't impact me negatively in any way except that I or the healer or the tank may have to do more DPS to make up for it while not killing the shadow clone could potentially mean someone's death depending on who they're running with.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

why should I care about people who dont care about me? This is very hypocritical to expect others to help you, carry you and care about your feelings when you dont care about their time and feelings after 1000th wipe.

Scenario was about a completed dungeon run - not a 1000wipe dungeon run.

If you assume that anyone who (according to you) doesn't play as efficiently as you is an exploiter being carried by you, then just avoid PUGs altogether.
In my opinion, as long as the dungeon is completed without too much trouble, it doesn't matter.

Well, its possible to finish a dungeon that would normally take anywhere betwen 15 and 40 minutes in a couple of hours with 1000 of wipes. That's a quite possible scenario when a group is average and cant really make up for missing dps or heals.
Many people dont have infinite time to play and expect to finish the dungeon in reasonable time... Nothing elite in it, just an average run. Im not talking about speedruns and no-deaths of course.
Also you didnt answer my question: why you're more equal than others and why the others owe you all their time and effort when you dont wanna put any effort?
And I have one more queston - why do you assume that everyone who pugs is a bad and selfish player? That's the minority actually, most of people are more or less adequate and I've met some really good players in random groups.

Xjcon · March 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

why should I care about people who dont care about me? This is very hypocritical to expect others to help you, carry you and care about your feelings when you dont care about their time and feelings after 1000th wipe.

Scenario was about a completed dungeon run - not a 1000wipe dungeon run.

If you assume that anyone who (according to you) doesn't play as efficiently as you is an exploiter being carried by you, then just avoid PUGs altogether.
In my opinion, as long as the dungeon is completed without too much trouble, it doesn't matter.

Well, its possible to finish a dungeon that would normally take anywhere betwen 15 and 40 minutes in a couple of hours with 1000 of wipes. That's a quite possible scenario when a group is average and cant really make up for missing dps or heals.
Many people dont have infinite time to play and expect to finish the dungeon in reasonable time... Nothing elite in it, just an average run. Im not talking about speedruns and no-deaths of course.
Also you didnt answer my question: why you're more equal than others and why the others owe you all their time and effort when you dont wanna put any effort?
And I have one more queston - why do you assume that everyone who pugs is a bad and selfish player? That's the minority actually, most of people are more or less adequate and I've met some really good players in random groups.

I'm sorry but I doubt any reaches 1000 wipes....Ever in a Vet Dungeon. And if you want to make a point don't exaggerate so much.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Xjcon wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

why should I care about people who dont care about me? This is very hypocritical to expect others to help you, carry you and care about your feelings when you dont care about their time and feelings after 1000th wipe.

Scenario was about a completed dungeon run - not a 1000wipe dungeon run.

If you assume that anyone who (according to you) doesn't play as efficiently as you is an exploiter being carried by you, then just avoid PUGs altogether.
In my opinion, as long as the dungeon is completed without too much trouble, it doesn't matter.

Well, its possible to finish a dungeon that would normally take anywhere betwen 15 and 40 minutes in a couple of hours with 1000 of wipes. That's a quite possible scenario when a group is average and cant really make up for missing dps or heals.
Many people dont have infinite time to play and expect to finish the dungeon in reasonable time... Nothing elite in it, just an average run. Im not talking about speedruns and no-deaths of course.
Also you didnt answer my question: why you're more equal than others and why the others owe you all their time and effort when you dont wanna put any effort?
And I have one more queston - why do you assume that everyone who pugs is a bad and selfish player? That's the minority actually, most of people are more or less adequate and I've met some really good players in random groups.

I'm sorry but I doubt any reaches 1000 wipes....Ever in a Vet Dungeon. And if you want to make a point don't exaggerate so much.

Theoretically you can, but most people would disband or kick the 0 dps dd before that happens.

starkerealm · March 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

Elite my ass.

Ok, fine I'll do it.

Err, exactly how do I elite your ass?

You need a guar, some Cyrodiilic Brandy, and some peanut butter... also a high quality loadstone, or you'll never get the guar back. Don't even think about substituting Sujamma, the stench will be unbelievable.

MidnightBlue · March 2016

mb10 wrote: »

I've met some absolutely horrendous vr16 players recently for undaunted. Genuinely had no clue how to fight some of the bosses.

If you're wearing different monster helm and shoulder set with "fighters guild victor" as your title you arent exactly putting yourself in the shop window.

Bloodspawn with Kena is actually the best for a Stamblade right now, but I see your point.

Bossdonut · March 2016

LFM kingsfall normal must be 320 with ToM.

Lenikus · March 2016

Nah.. the achievement for Stormproof only means that they have (or had at some time in their character) a build that included either twice born or kagrenac's and nerien'eth, *or any of the 4 or 5 'approved' set-ups, or that they are a magicka sorc. There's not really any 'elitist' group that uses that as a filter... most guilds or whatever that could act like that usually are way more demanding, and more douch'y.
Not to mention people actually pay someone to go in their accounts and beat Vet Maelstrom ( a ridiculous violation of ToS, but it's not like they will admit to it )

AOECAPS · March 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Nah.. the achievement for Stormproof only means that they have (or had at some time in their character) a build that included either twice born or kagrenac's and nerien'eth, *or any of the 4 or 5 'approved' set-ups, or that they are a magicka sorc. There's not really any 'elitist' group that uses that as a filter... most guilds or whatever that could act like that usually are way more demanding, and more douch'y.
Not to mention people actually pay someone to go in their accounts and beat Vet Maelstrom ( a ridiculous violation of ToS, but it's not like they will admit to it )

Quite a few have lent the keys to their account that is true.

JubJub · March 2016

Molec wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

I've recently noticed an uptick in elitism since more and more ppl (cough sorcs) are completing maelstrom I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it. From players announcing that they are a "storm caller"looking for a group at the Undaunted Enclave or sending out lists of "great and terrible players" has anyone else noticed this recently or have I been blind to this crap for to long.

A healer once said to the highly experienced group I was in "I get offended by low DPS and will forget to heal in such a situation" prior to running vWGT.... Ego driven moronic people

I was tanking vwgt with 2 first timers and a sorc dps. The sorc dude didnt say a word through the whole run until we beat it. He told us we were a bunch of casuals and that he literally carried us through with his dps alone. He told our healer she was terrible and should just spam bol the whole time. Called our other dps trash because he wasn't a sorc, and said I was a terrible tank because he kept dying to mobs (he ran into mobs without the team).

Valrien · March 2016

rossvoss wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

I've recently noticed an uptick in elitism since more and more ppl (cough sorcs) are completing maelstrom I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it. From players announcing that they are a "storm caller"looking for a group at the Undaunted Enclave or sending out lists of "great and terrible players" has anyone else noticed this recently or have I been blind to this crap for to long.

A healer once said to the highly experienced group I was in "I get offended by low DPS and will forget to heal in such a situation" prior to running vWGT.... Ego driven moronic people

I was tanking vwgt with 2 first timers and a sorc dps. The sorc dude didnt say a word through the whole run until we beat it. He told us we were a bunch of casuals and that he literally carried us through with his dps alone. He told our healer she was terrible and should just spam bol the whole time. Called our other dps trash because he wasn't a sorc, and said I was a terrible tank because he kept dying to mobs (he ran into mobs without the team).

lol, JUST based on his healer remark I would say he's probably one of the worse DPS in this game. "spam BoL"...doesn't he know that all healers need is Blood Altar!?

JubJub · March 2016

Valrien wrote: »

rossvoss wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

I've recently noticed an uptick in elitism since more and more ppl (cough sorcs) are completing maelstrom I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it. From players announcing that they are a "storm caller"looking for a group at the Undaunted Enclave or sending out lists of "great and terrible players" has anyone else noticed this recently or have I been blind to this crap for to long.

A healer once said to the highly experienced group I was in "I get offended by low DPS and will forget to heal in such a situation" prior to running vWGT.... Ego driven moronic people

I was tanking vwgt with 2 first timers and a sorc dps. The sorc dude didnt say a word through the whole run until we beat it. He told us we were a bunch of casuals and that he literally carried us through with his dps alone. He told our healer she was terrible and should just spam bol the whole time. Called our other dps trash because he wasn't a sorc, and said I was a terrible tank because he kept dying to mobs (he ran into mobs without the team).

lol, JUST based on his healer remark I would say he's probably one of the worse DPS in this game. "spam BoL"...doesn't he know that all healers need is Blood Altar!?

Haha yeah this is sort of a regular occurence on console I have meeting these types of know it all asswipes, hope its way different for you pc folk.

rokrdt05 · March 2016

If they are being elitist as you say, ask them to show you their, "The Flawless Conqueror" title and laugh as they stutter and make excuses as to why they don't have that yet.

Reykice · March 2016

AOECAPS wrote: »

I've recently noticed an uptick in elitism since more and more ppl (cough sorcs) are completing maelstrom I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it. From players announcing that they are a "storm caller"looking for a group at the Undaunted Enclave or sending out lists of "great and terrible players" has anyone else noticed this recently or have I been blind to this crap for to long.

If they have a good score and are in the top 100 then well, they are some of the best players. Its a way to find other good players i guess.... or just bragging for the hell of it, after all its not easy to beat that thing to make it to the top 100.

Naming and shaming is hated by ZOS but after you fail a dungeon because your dps does less dps than the tank or healer i bet you would have loved to know that player was bad so you can kick him from the start. That is why ZOS would not like such a list being made - people would be upset and leave the game, no matter if they are actually a bad player.

People just need to stop being offended by everything, if you are a decent player you will know it if not you need to improve or if you don`t care about it just don`t do groups. Simple as that. Mostly because some dungeons can`t be done with bad players, i don`t mind carrying or helping a new player who is there first, we`ve all been there. But he/she needs to be a decent player otherwise the Imp Prison can`t be done, it has dps checks, without that dps the npc enrages or you get swarmed by adds and everyone dies.

You should at no point be upset you are called a bad player if realistic expectations are given along with a reasonable explanation aka you need 15k+ single target dps, 20k+ preferred. If you can`t reach that or don`t bother using addons, don`t know what skills are best etc, then play solo and nobody will bother you.

Reykice · March 2016

rokrdt05 wrote: »

If they are being elitist as you say, ask them to show you their, "The Flawless Conqueror" title and laugh as they stutter and make excuses as to why they don't have that yet.

Or show them your own title.... :-)

rokrdt05 · March 2016

Reykice wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

If they are being elitist as you say, ask them to show you their, "The Flawless Conqueror" title and laugh as they stutter and make excuses as to why they don't have that yet.

Or show them your own title.... :-)

Or that

AOECAPS · March 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I've never seen anyone linking his stormproof achivement when he was looking for a daily group.
Also people that ask for others to link achievements before they join a group are usually bad players that want to make sure the other people can carry them through the content. Good players will either provide some tips for you to become better or just finish the dungeon no matter how much you contribute to the fight.

Laughed at a guy in area chat when he said Storkproof looking for daily.said guy got butthurt and challenged me to duel. Since I haven't completed VMA said Stormproof sorc got beat twice in a row because he could do no damage without his ults.

Reykice wrote: »

AOECAPS wrote: »

I've recently noticed an uptick in elitism since more and more ppl (cough sorcs) are completing maelstrom I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it. From players announcing that they are a "storm caller"looking for a group at the Undaunted Enclave or sending out lists of "great and terrible players" has anyone else noticed this recently or have I been blind to this crap for to long.

If they have a good score and are in the top 100 then well, they are some of the best players. Its a way to find other good players i guess.... or just bragging for the hell of it, after all its not easy to beat that thing to make it to the top 100.

Naming and shaming is hated by ZOS but after you fail a dungeon because your dps does less dps than the tank or healer i bet you would have loved to know that player was bad so you can kick him from the start. That is why ZOS would not like such a list being made - people would be upset and leave the game, no matter if they are actually a bad player.

People just need to stop being offended by everything, if you are a decent player you will know it if not you need to improve or if you don`t care about it just don`t do groups. Simple as that. Mostly because some dungeons can`t be done with bad players, i don`t mind carrying or helping a new player who is there first, we`ve all been there. But he/she needs to be a decent player otherwise the Imp Prison can`t be done, it has dps checks, without that dps the npc enrages or you get swarmed by adds and everyone dies.

You should at no point be upset you are called a bad player if realistic expectations are given along with a reasonable explanation aka you need 15k+ single target dps, 20k+ preferred. If you can`t reach that or don`t bother using addons, don`t know what skills are best etc, then play solo and nobody will bother you.

Lol I'm in the top 100 have completed no death on ICP,WGt etc. but I don't go around stating stormproof looking for a group and just being a ***. Hell i still pug ever day and there are certain players that I will never play with because of bad experiences with lacking skill in dungeons and their are others who are pretentious AF and won't touch them either.i just think it's funny how a couple of people want to bag on everyone else that isn't in the circle jerk of greatness. Elitism at its best I guess

Valrien · March 2016

I love this thread lol.

Kippesnikke · March 2016

Valrien wrote: »

I love this thread lol.

yeah but be careful! AEOCAPS is in the top 100!

greylox · March 2016

Elitists, lol. Was running vet spindleclutch yesterday with 3 v16's (me included) and my v10 mate and one annoying bloke kept saying more damage, f'in noobs etc even though we were getting through it. I noticed he died a lot as well. Then two wipes on a boss and he blames everyone but himself and leaves, promptly followed by the other v16. So we look for more randoms to join, get a v1 and v12 and smash thru the rest of the pledge without any deaths because they knew how to play and understood their class.

Meanwhile the leet kid was probably off in the world raging at more people for being noobs. Makes me chuckle.