Elitism in Tamriel

AOECAPS

I've recently noticed an uptick in elitism since more and more ppl (cough sorcs) are completing maelstrom I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it. From players announcing that they are a "storm caller"looking for a group at the Undaunted Enclave or sending out lists of "great and terrible players" has anyone else noticed this recently or have I been blind to this crap for to long.

Xendyn

Lists?

anitajoneb17_ESO

Platform ? Server ?

Xjcon

Sending out lists of good and bad people? Do you have said list? Is this something you see in /z? There is and will always be people in general chat who want to think they are Elite. Been in groups where the leader was advertising looking for super high dps yet their own dps was low.

lolo_01b16_ESO

I've never seen anyone linking his stormproof achivement when he was looking for a daily group.
Also people that ask for others to link achievements before they join a group are usually bad players that want to make sure the other people can carry them through the content. Good players will either provide some tips for you to become better or just finish the dungeon no matter how much you contribute to the fight.

Faasnu

I'm sorry but I understand looking for players to do a difficult dungeon or trial and requiring the specific achievements. I've met quite a few players who refused to listen to my group's advices and, for example, continued to dps in full heavy armor and sword and shield. This situation really happened and the guy was vr14 (it was before the vr16 update). Nobody wants to work twice as hard to complete the dungeon just because one person refuses to learn. Elitism is bad, of course, I'm not saying it's not, just don't forget about the other side of the coin. I've been stuck in a bad group many times, trying to complete an easy dungeon for over an hour and then been called names for quitting. It's not like bad players are always nice and always try to improve themselves. I'm paying for the game and I'm choosing who to spend my time with, and I spent enough of my time trying to teach people who knew better/didn't react at all/could barely speak english/refused to join teamspeak. I guess people who group up only with those who have achievements just want to have a fun, painless run. I doubt they are sooo proud of themselves because they are 'elite', they just want to avoid frustration.

Valrien

Faasnu wrote: »

I'm sorry but I understand looking for players to do a difficult dungeon or trial and requiring the specific achievements. I've met quite a few players who refused to listen to my group's advices and, for example, continued to dps in full heavy armor and sword and shield. This situation really happened and the guy was vr14 (it was before the vr16 update). Nobody wants to work twice as hard to complete the dungeon just because one person refuses to learn. Elitism is bad, of course, I'm not saying it's not, just don't forget about the other side of the coin. I've been stuck in a bad group many times, trying to complete an easy dungeon for over an hour and then been called names for quitting. It's not like bad players are always nice and always try to improve themselves. I'm paying for the game and I'm choosing who to spend my time with, and I spent enough of my time trying to teach people who knew better/didn't react at all/could barely speak english/refused to join teamspeak. I guess people who group up only with those who have achievements just want to have a fun, painless run. I doubt they are sooo proud of themselves because they are 'elite', they just want to avoid frustration.

What he said. I would consider myself a good player and I'll run with a bad player if they're willing to maybe pick up a few pieces of advice I give them to improve. Sometimes though there are players who are absolute jerks AND don't have any skill to back it up. That's where it gets frustrating, because they'll "play the way they want" at the expense of my group who's basically doing a dungeon with three people (which is fine on an easy pledge but on a hard-ish pledge like vICP they'd better be doing SOMETHING) because one can't be bothered to pull their weight on his 3 heavy/3 medium/1 light stamina resto staff altmer DD light attack build.

/endrant

Judas Helviaryn

Elitism is always going to be a problem, too many people leave their egos unchecked on the internet. The responsible thing is to ignore them, the righteous thing is to one-up them.

Here's your shot.

mattgbrowneub17_ESO

This is a new and interesting way to ask for a VMA nerf...

dodgehopper_ESO

I agree with the sentiment people need to build for their role, but honestly heavy armor needs more use, and a lot of other specs need to be given a breath of life again (not to be confused with the templar skill).

Kammakazi

"Vee R Six-Teen Stormproof Magicka Sorcerer DEE PEE ESS LFG"

Xjcon

Kammakazi wrote: »

"Vee R Six-Teen Stormproof Magicka Sorcerer DEE PEE ESS LFG"

Link me your VICP clear first please

Makkir

Xjcon wrote: »

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Kammakazi wrote: »

"Vee R Six-Teen Stormproof Magicka Sorcerer DEE PEE ESS LFG"

Link me your VICP clear first please

Cadwells Gold or GTFO

Thelon

Robo_Hobo

Makkir wrote: »

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Xjcon wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

"Vee R Six-Teen Stormproof Magicka Sorcerer DEE PEE ESS LFG"

Link me your VICP clear first please

Cadwells Gold or GTFO

Master Anglers only

Xjcon

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

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Makkir wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

"Vee R Six-Teen Stormproof Magicka Sorcerer DEE PEE ESS LFG"

Link me your VICP clear first please

Cadwells Gold or GTFO

Master Anglers only

Lol

Kammakazi

"Sorry I only play with people with 50 Blacksmithing."

mb10

I've met some absolutely horrendous vr16 players recently for undaunted. Genuinely had no clue how to fight some of the bosses.

If you're wearing different monster helm and shoulder set with "fighters guild victor" as your title you arent exactly putting yourself in the shop window.

Vangy

Well.... Ive got 2 guilds who are full of elite players who've done all trials completed vMSA etc etc. The thing is, we dont go to zone chat and LFG. We just play with guildies.... People on zone chat going LFG and boasting about stormproof or whatever arent really elite... They probably are good at the game but dont have any friends to play with cos thyre prolly jerks. So long story short, if someone is boasting in zone chat about how awesome they are... they prolly arent all that awesome...

LadyNalcarya

Well, I finished all trials and hardmodes (except vMoL obviously), but my vMA char often wears Volunteer title. Same for my pvp char. And my dsa char, who wears mismatched monster set (kena helm and bloodspawn shoulder) on top of that XD Simply because it compliments my maelstrom weapons.
I pug sometimes when I just need some undaunted exp and almost all dungeons are *** easy anyway. I found my current teammates in random groups - one was for banished cells at lvl9, another was a spontaneous SO run, so imo pugging can be quite benificial. Not all "randoms" you meet are bound to be bad.
Though if I'm LF1M for vWGT or something, I would prefer those who link the achievement for clearing the dungeon. And tbh I dont find stormproof sorcs that impressive, since I know how easy it is on sorcs. Flawless non-sorc (especially stamina build), that is something much more impressive.

Reznique

AOYEKAPSSS

LadyNalcarya

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

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Makkir wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

"Vee R Six-Teen Stormproof Magicka Sorcerer DEE PEE ESS LFG"

Link me your VICP clear first please

Cadwells Gold or GTFO

Master Anglers only

Dem fishermen are so elitist!

DaveMoeDee

mb10 wrote: »

I've met some absolutely horrendous vr16 players recently for undaunted. Genuinely had no clue how to fight some of the bosses.

If you're wearing different monster helm and shoulder set with "fighters guild victor" as your title you arent exactly putting yourself in the shop window.

Maybe they are fighting them for the first time. Tell them the mechanics.

elantaura

I had some great runs with first time pvpers doing a vet pledge all vet 16 the other day, they have been helping me in pvp and like my helmets lol ( actually got to say say have been really nice all around) but they listened about the mechanics same respect I gave them in pvp for weeks now too.
Left a guild I was in for a long time because of elitism, not to me but to my friends, first thing they always did was pick on the " new guy" and final straw kicked a friend from pledges for only having 4100 weapon damage? I'd rather go do pledges with nice, calm willing to listen first timers than elitist gits. Stupid thing is I remember when those "elitist" started and how rubish they were!

Humatiel

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, I finished all trials and hardmodes (except vMoL obviously), but my vMA char often wears Volunteer title. Same for my pvp char. And my dsa char, who wears mismatched monster set (kena helm and bloodspawn shoulder) on top of that XD Simply because it compliments my maelstrom weapons.
I pug sometimes when I just need some undaunted exp and almost all dungeons are *** easy anyway. I found my current teammates in random groups - one was for banished cells at lvl9, another was a spontaneous SO run, so imo pugging can be quite benificial. Not all "randoms" you meet are bound to be bad.
Though if I'm LF1M for vWGT or something, I would prefer those who link the achievement for clearing the dungeon. And tbh I dont find stormproof sorcs that impressive, since I know how easy it is on sorcs. Flawless non-sorc (especially stamina build), that is something much more impressive.

the vast majority of the playerbase cannot complete vma at all so your stance on maybe flawless (which less than 1% of the population has) but only flawless if its not a sorc is considered good by your standards. Hate to break it to you but sounds a bit elitist.

Toxic_Hemlock

I avoid all group dungeons and content for many reasons, and most of those have been posted in this thread. Thanks for not making me regret my decision.

Yours Truly

A Pug

LadyNalcarya

Humatiel wrote: »

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KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, I finished all trials and hardmodes (except vMoL obviously), but my vMA char often wears Volunteer title. Same for my pvp char. And my dsa char, who wears mismatched monster set (kena helm and bloodspawn shoulder) on top of that XD Simply because it compliments my maelstrom weapons.
I pug sometimes when I just need some undaunted exp and almost all dungeons are *** easy anyway. I found my current teammates in random groups - one was for banished cells at lvl9, another was a spontaneous SO run, so imo pugging can be quite benificial. Not all "randoms" you meet are bound to be bad.
Though if I'm LF1M for vWGT or something, I would prefer those who link the achievement for clearing the dungeon. And tbh I dont find stormproof sorcs that impressive, since I know how easy it is on sorcs. Flawless non-sorc (especially stamina build), that is something much more impressive.

the vast majority of the playerbase cannot complete vma at all so your stance on maybe flawless (which less than 1% of the population has) but only flawless if its not a sorc is considered good by your standards. Hate to break it to you but sounds a bit elitist.

Well, this might be a touchy subject for you and it might affect your reading skills, but I didnt say that non-sorc flawless conquerors are the only player I consider good - or the only players I play with. I just said that vMA clear on sorc is not that impressive. And dont know about you, but by "impressive" I mean something exceptional... There are a lot of "Stormproof" sorcs (and the number is growing with the new save feature), but only a few stamina players with Flawless title on the whole server.

Vangy

I think way too many people tend to get mixed up with elite and elitist. The elite, to me, is people who are maybe the top 5% of players. The godly tanks who tank the whole frigging world while healing at the same time. Them healers who make trials look ezmode. Dat dps who blow bosses up in 20 seconds. These people sometimes prefer to play with their friends who are on the same level as them and I find nothing wrong with this cos they all have their reasons.

Elitist... Now this to me is a downright snob. Someone who isnt necessarily an elite player. Maybe thyre noob. Maybe thrye above average. Maybe they are truly elite. Whatever the case, the common link between them is that they are snobbish. They are the ones who link their FTC in every single trash pull/boss pull and say things like i carried you guys, your dps sucks, you should copy my build etc etc

You can be an elite player who prefers to play with other elite players without being elitist. Good players dont have the right to insult/demean newer players but they arent obliged to group up with noobs either. As long as everyone is polite about what thyre looking for in a group its fine.

So maybe if someone is looking for a speed run of vWGT etc, im sure they will ask for people with previous achieves and a gauge on dps etc etc. But this is a little overboard for a regular pledge run and I for one, have not seen this happening on NA PC, AD/DC. The most ive seen is, v16 group lfg v16 dps(tank/healer) gold key. Sometimes they state "experienced" as well when the pledge is COA/WGT/ICP.. Which to me is completely fine. These guys are just not interested in carrying and want to get the boring pledge over and done with after the 10000th time with no helm (maybe?).

Lyrander

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

I avoid all group dungeons and content for many reasons, and most of those have been posted in this thread. Thanks for not making me regret my decision.

Yours Truly

A Pug

There are no reasons in this World...

Play Skyrim.

Group content is fun. I have good guilds which i run with. But i use a PUG lots of times too. Due to the timezone im living in.

Have met bad players, good players, funny people, strange women and new friends. And all the 'bad' groups/player i met i try to forget.
Sometimes when its only one annoying Player i get on TS and talk to my friends about them. That keeps me calm and I can still complete the dungeon for the sake of the rest of the group.

LadyNalcarya

Vangy wrote: »

I think way too many people tend to get mixed up with elite and elitist. The elite, to me, is people who are maybe the top 5% of players. The godly tanks who tank the whole frigging world while healing at the same time. Them healers who make trials look ezmode. Dat dps who blow bosses up in 20 seconds. These people sometimes prefer to play with their friends who are on the same level as them and I find nothing wrong with this cos they all have their reasons.

Elitist... Now this to me is a downright snob. Someone who isnt necessarily an elite player. Maybe thyre noob. Maybe thrye above average. Maybe they are truly elite. Whatever the case, the common link between them is that they are snobbish. They are the ones who link their FTC in every single trash pull/boss pull and say things like i carried you guys, your dps sucks, you should copy my build etc etc

You can be an elite player who prefers to play with other elite players without being elitist. Good players dont have the right to insult/demean newer players but they arent obliged to group up with noobs either. As long as everyone is polite about what thyre looking for in a group its fine.

So maybe if someone is looking for a speed run of vWGT etc, im sure they will ask for people with previous achieves and a gauge on dps etc etc. But this is a little overboard for a regular pledge run and I for one, have not seen this happening on NA PC, AD/DC. The most ive seen is, v16 group lfg v16 dps(tank/healer) gold key. Sometimes they state "experienced" as well when the pledge is COA/WGT/ICP.. Which to me is completely fine. These guys are just not interested in carrying and want to get the boring pledge over and done with after the 10000th time with no helm (maybe?).

That's a good point.
Once I pugged with a guy who ensured me that he's experienced and has very high dps etc (I didnt even ask because the pledge was easy). He just started bragging. During the course of the dungeon I noticed that I'm doing like 80% of all damage, but then again, I didnt care because the pledge was easy and didnt say anything. The guy was still bragging how "everyone's impressed by his dps" and then suddenly started talking *** about my alliance. o.O Even though I didnt even started that topic and barely replied him. Nothing personal, he said, but your alliance is so crap, and "this char is just my alt, my main is in superior alliance", and "I know people from Hodor", and "You AD are not even capable of finishing WGT" (wut?), etc etc. Of course I left.
Or another guy who called me names in /z for not knowing a name of Deltia's build.
Or those random groups who think that nbs cant tank.
On the other hand, I dont see what's offensive in looking for experienced group. After all, no one can stop people from looking for casual group if they want to. I usually have limited time and simply cant afford spending 3 hours worth of wipes on planar inhibitor or flesh sculptor. Especially considering how sensitive many people are - multiple times I've met randoms who would take a simple question ("Do you have ele drain or siphon, by any chance?" or "Lets kill this miniboss first?" or something like this) as personal offense. So these days I'm only helping newbies from my guild, because a lot of casuals/newbies from /z are kinda hostile and unwilling to cooperate when it comes to teamwork and advices (even if theyre given in friendly manner and without criticism). I might be biased, but this is my personal experience.

SlayerTheDragon

Only in PVE.