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Proximity detonation in cyro.
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »SymbioteKing26 wrote: »joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.
Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?
Magnum shot
Blocking, impen, elemental defender.
Also harness magicka helps, meaning this ability wont crit.
The blade cloak from Dual wield reduces its damage by 20% aswell.
Any shield means it won't crit, including something like igneous.
Cool. So stamina build's are just as the mercy of magicka detonation. So.... should i re-roll magicka now or ?
I guess i'm going to have to create a bombard build. Keep those proxi det user's frozen in place. Not really sure what to do xD.
You have 8 slots.0 -
Lettigall✭✭✭✭✭
✭Proxy is too effective against single player and small groups. There should be some player cap where proxy do little damage but if more people around damage should rise more rapidly. Other solution could be if there more active proxy detonations in area less effective it is. Right now zergbuster ability(lol) is one of the reasons why people zerg.Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!3 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Proxy is too effective against single player and small groups. There should be some player cap where proxy do little damage but if more people around damage should rise more rapidly. Other solution could be if there more active proxy detonations in area less effective it is. Right now zergbuster ability(lol) is one of the reasons why people zerg.
Well i've seen quite a few people take out a group of like 10? on their own. In a group of 3-4 you could do serious dmg to a zerg, haven't seen VD yet either.PS4 EU DC
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The single target damage should never hit for more than 2k, but I am okay with the damage against more than 1 opponent.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think I like where it's at right now, the damage against a single target isn't all that much more than some single target abilities... and you have to wait 8 seconds for it to fire. What makes it really great is that players like to bunch up... heh.Edited by Domander on March 14, 2016 7:22AM0 -
Astanphaeus✭✭✭✭✭Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.3 -
Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Astanphaeus wrote: »Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.
Well, although I think proxy det is ok, the main differences is that proxy let's you setup for burst.
The numbers people throw around are kind of crazy. If you have that much of a problem, put impenetrable on all armor pieces and stack some CP resistant. Now that players can make a crit 2x or greater than a non-crit, you potentially reduce damage by almost 50%.1 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Astanphaeus wrote: »Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.
ST is problem, PD is a problem too. In a larger PoV, almost all the AOE in this game are too strong, and the global DPS is too high. Their is clearely a DPS/mitigation problem since 1.62 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Astanphaeus wrote: »Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.
i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.
Which of the two would you rather happen to you?
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.
i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.
being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.
against a stam build, its so easy to cc break and pop a heal.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on March 14, 2016 2:49PMPS4 NA DC2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Astanphaeus wrote: »Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.
i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.
Which of the two would you rather happen to you?
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.
i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.
being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.
against a stam build, its so easy to pop a heal and be fine.
The stam one would use bats/steel.
Because 12m high dmg aoe execute.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Astanphaeus wrote: »Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.
i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.
Which of the two would you rather happen to you?
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.
i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.
being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.
against a stam build, its so easy to pop a heal and be fine.
The stam one would use bats/steel.
Because 12m high dmg aoe execute.
steel tornado only execute's when you are at low health. i think its 25% hp
steel tornado is 9 meters now too.
that combo is easy to defend against also. no stun compared to soul tether. not saying it isnt effective, i run that also. i execute for my magicka buddies who use proxi.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on March 14, 2016 2:53PMPS4 NA DC0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Astanphaeus wrote: »Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.
i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.
Which of the two would you rather happen to you?
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.
i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.
being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.
against a stam build, its so easy to pop a heal and be fine.
The stam one would use bats/steel.
Because 12m high dmg aoe execute.
steel tornado only execute's when you are at low health. i think its 25% hp
steel tornado is 9 meters now too.
that combo is easy to defend against also. no stun compared to soul tether. not saying it isnt effective, i run that also. i execute for my magicka buddies who use proxi.
It starts doing increased dmg when your below 50% hp, range got reduced but dmg is increased :PPS4 EU DC
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think it good right now on 10+ targets. However on 1-4 it's to much .... The multiplier need to be change + the base value needs to lowered but the damage ramp needs to be increased especially after 4 ......
this 9k+ on an aoe attack vs a single target is by far to much this needs to be below 2.5k and have increased multiplyers vs multiple targets.
steel tornado does only a ton of dmg vs targets nearly dead aka below 25% life above that its normal aoe dmg its advantage was its huge circle wich is gone by now aswell. and as long as proxy is a delayed ability not a casted dmg - above 2,5k vs a single target is not warranted.Astanphaeus wrote: »Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.Edited by Tankqull on March 14, 2016 4:41PMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Level66Charizard wrote: »I picked the other morph like an idiot
The other morph is good for ranged builds, sorc/ desto nb's etc...PS4 EU DC
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DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭Or you could run 100 elemental defender, 48 in resist. 7 Inpen in light armor, prox det by four players.... Yawn. Steel tornado.... Wrecking blow .... Dead. You have to build to defend just as much as to deliver damage. You choose to qq rather than adapt and overcome. Semper Fidelis.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Astanphaeus wrote: »Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.
i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.
Which of the two would you rather happen to you?
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence
nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.
i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.
being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.
against a stam build, its so easy to pop a heal and be fine.
The stam one would use bats/steel.
Because 12m high dmg aoe execute.
steel tornado only execute's when you are at low health. i think its 25% hp
steel tornado is 9 meters now too.
that combo is easy to defend against also. no stun compared to soul tether. not saying it isnt effective, i run that also. i execute for my magicka buddies who use proxi.
It starts doing increased dmg when your below 50% hp, range got reduced but dmg is increased :P
I was thinking of somthing else.
Steel Tornado has multiple phases of increased damage. Example with 3k damage.
100% hp : 3000 / 3450 (Ruffian)
50% hp : 6000 / 6900 (Ruffian)
25% hp (Slaughter Passive) : 7200 / 8100 (w Ruffian)
So yeah the damage can ramp up depending the circumstances.
How much did the damage get increased?
I saw the patch notes state the damage got increased per level because of the reduced range but no actual numbers.
Thanks for pointing out steel tornado ramps up at 50%. The tooltip's for executes and steel tornado need to be more specific.
It's like the critical values. How does someone know how much % the values are without the people who tested it out. xD
Thanks again.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on March 14, 2016 7:08PMPS4 NA DC0 -
dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Inevitable det is a bit weak its the only attack against huge zergs. It takes so long to cast its not much use
Proximity detonation is however over powered - just get a DK leap into a group and spam it. I no longer see steel tornado on every death screen its pox det being spammed by zerg groups.
how exactly do you spam an 8 second move lol. but yes thats a powerful combo
I think he means "spam" as in recast everytime the 8s is up, wich isnt rly spamming, but you get the idea..
clearly, but do we really need to overemphasize everything? really? its literally the slowest move in the game, calling it spamable is just being misrepresentitive on purpose to *** and moan
we all know what spam is.
prox det, cast a few instants-light weave/block some cc's, cleanse, attack some more,recast prox... not spam lol0 -
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