Proximity detonation in cyro.

olsborg · March 2016

So, what happened...everyone is running around with proxy detonation up all the time, you basicly cant run around for more then 5 seconds before you either see a group running around with proxy or someone is trying to gank you with it, not sure about you, but if so many are using one ability to this kind of extent, something needs to change. Just my two scents.

Leandor · March 2016

olsborg wrote: »

Just my two scents.

Did you fart and burp at the same time then?

SCNR

Durham · March 2016

I think it good right now on 10+ targets. However on 1-4 it's to much .... The multiplier need to be change + the base value needs to lowered but the damage ramp needs to be increased especially after 4 ......

LegacyDM · March 2016

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

SymbioteKing26 · March 2016

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

LegacyDM · March 2016

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Don't stand in the circle and hit them from range. Invest in some spell resistance eg. 2 piece Heavy armor impen. Invest in cp magicka reduction. The rest you'll have to figure out based on your build and play style . Me personally, I'm a nb sap essence both range and up close combat. They hit me I just heal myself back up.

Bashev · March 2016

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Don't stand in the circle and hit them from range. Invest in some spell resistance eg. 2 piece Heavy armor impen. Invest in cp magicka reduction. The rest you'll have to figure out based on your build and play style .

You sound so innocent.

olsborg · March 2016

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Don't stand in the circle and hit them from range. Invest in some spell resistance eg. 2 piece Heavy armor impen. Invest in cp magicka reduction. The rest you'll have to figure out based on your build and play style . Me personally, I'm a nb sap essence both range and up close combat. They hit me I just heal myself back up.

Im not standing in the circle, I do hit them from a range, but it still doesnt change the fact that half the people in cyro is running around with constant proxy up.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Zos messed up, they reduced the base dmg by 15%, then introduced a dot cp that increases proxy.

olsborg · March 2016

Leandor wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Just my two scents.

Did you fart and burp at the same time then?

SCNR

Thank you for your constructive contribution to this thread.

smacx250 · March 2016

A whole bunch of people who were looking at a long wait to get it just got it, and now they are eagerly trying it out. Probably in many circumstances, where it doesn't make sense. Give it some time and then see how it plays out.

LegacyDM · March 2016

Bashev wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Don't stand in the circle and hit them from range. Invest in some spell resistance eg. 2 piece Heavy armor impen. Invest in cp magicka reduction. The rest you'll have to figure out based on your build and play style .

You sound so innocent.

Maybe.,. I've only been playing since beta and have taken me a long time to theory craft a build that mitigates almost everything while giving me surivabilty with damage.

Bofrari · March 2016

L2P.

Leandor · March 2016

olsborg wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Just my two scents.

Did you fart and burp at the same time then?

SCNR

Thank you for your constructive contribution to this thread.

Lighten up, mate. Just a pun about your typo. You know, scent, as in smelling things...

Tomato · March 2016

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Magnum shot

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Tomato wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Magnum shot

Blocking, impen, elemental defender.

Master_Kas · March 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tomato wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Magnum shot

Blocking, impen, elemental defender.

Also harness magicka helps, meaning this ability wont crit.

The blade cloak from Dual wield reduces its damage by 20% aswell.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tomato wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Magnum shot

Blocking, impen, elemental defender.

Also harness magicka helps, meaning this ability wont crit.

The blade cloak from Dual wield reduces its damage by 20% aswell.

Any shield means it won't crit, including something like igneous.

AbraXuSeXile · March 2016

Shouldnt of changed proxy, shoulda been how it used to be then you cant keep 100% of time and at least took a bit of skill to use.

AshTal · March 2016

Inevitable det is a bit weak its the only attack against huge zergs. It takes so long to cast its not much use

Proximity detonation is however over powered - just get a DK leap into a group and spam it. I no longer see steel tornado on every death screen its pox det being spammed by zerg groups.

AddictionX · March 2016

I vote to delete this skill

it never lived up to its intent

olsborg · March 2016

AshTal wrote: »

Inevitable det is a bit weak its the only attack against huge zergs. It takes so long to cast its not much use

Proximity detonation is however over powered - just get a DK leap into a group and spam it. I no longer see steel tornado on every death screen its pox det being spammed by zerg groups.

Yea this is one of my major points/issue with this skill, big groups run around recasting this to kill small scalers or soloers unlycky or stupid enough to not run fast enough. Zergs just load up on this, then jump in on oponenets...its putting the bomb into bombgroup in a manner that I doubt was intended for this skill..

Jhunn · March 2016

Nothing wrong with proxy

GreenSoup2HoT · March 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tomato wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Magnum shot

Blocking, impen, elemental defender.

Also harness magicka helps, meaning this ability wont crit.

The blade cloak from Dual wield reduces its damage by 20% aswell.

Any shield means it won't crit, including something like igneous.

Cool. So stamina build's are just as the mercy of magicka detonation. So.... should i re-roll magicka now or ?

I guess i'm going to have to create a bombard build. Keep those proxi det user's frozen in place. Not really sure what to do xD.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · March 2016

AshTal wrote: »

Inevitable det is a bit weak its the only attack against huge zergs. It takes so long to cast its not much use

Proximity detonation is however over powered - just get a DK leap into a group and spam it. I no longer see steel tornado on every death screen its pox det being spammed by zerg groups.

how exactly do you spam an 8 second move lol. but yes thats a powerful combo

Docmandu · March 2016

Jhunn wrote: »

Nothing wrong with proxy

Nerf NBs :-)

olsborg · March 2016

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

Inevitable det is a bit weak its the only attack against huge zergs. It takes so long to cast its not much use

Proximity detonation is however over powered - just get a DK leap into a group and spam it. I no longer see steel tornado on every death screen its pox det being spammed by zerg groups.

how exactly do you spam an 8 second move lol. but yes thats a powerful combo

I think he means "spam" as in recast everytime the 8s is up, wich isnt rly spamming, but you get the idea..

Wreuntzylla · March 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tomato wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Magnum shot

Blocking, impen, elemental defender.

Also harness magicka helps, meaning this ability wont crit.

The blade cloak from Dual wield reduces its damage by 20% aswell.

Any shield means it won't crit, including something like igneous.

Cool. So stamina build's are just as the mercy of magicka detonation. So.... should i re-roll magicka now or ?

I guess i'm going to have to create a bombard build. Keep those proxi det user's frozen in place. Not really sure what to do xD.

It's the great sinusoid of MMO life.

The oscillation went IMPULSE-->STAMNADO-->PROXYDET. I'm oversimplifying, really, we also had bugged Elemental Blockade, early DK AoE, Bats before teh nerf, etc. But this captures the everyone-is-doing-it-now list.

This thread has some great advice from fellow stam users. I was going to also post a link to an impulse thread so that we could have advice from the magicka users in here, but really, just change the name of the ability in the comments and it would be the same thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162918/steel-tornado-the-new-impulse/p1

GreenSoup2HoT · March 2016

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tomato wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Magnum shot

Blocking, impen, elemental defender.

Also harness magicka helps, meaning this ability wont crit.

The blade cloak from Dual wield reduces its damage by 20% aswell.

Any shield means it won't crit, including something like igneous.

Cool. So stamina build's are just as the mercy of magicka detonation. So.... should i re-roll magicka now or ?

I guess i'm going to have to create a bombard build. Keep those proxi det user's frozen in place. Not really sure what to do xD.

It's the great sinusoid of MMO life.

The oscillation went IMPULSE-->STAMNADO-->PROXYDET. I'm oversimplifying, really, we also had bugged Elemental Blockade, early DK AoE, Bats before teh nerf, etc. But this captures the everyone-is-doing-it-now list.

This thread has some great advice from fellow stam users. I was going to also post a link to an impulse thread so that we could have advice from the magicka users in here, but really, just change the name of the ability in the comments and it would be the same thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162918/steel-tornado-the-new-impulse/p1

I completely agree with you.

All i can do now is try and come up with a solution to countering this. The best part is Siege is actually deadly now. So Cold harbor fire ballista's are going to be hot item's.

I really hope the player's on pc complain enough to get it changed befor the thieves guild dlc drop's for console's. I'm not looking forward to getting killed by proxi det every 2 second's.

Cathexis · March 2016

I am not surprised at all by the deterioration in the quality of combat and I'm not even playing the game anymore.

Xsorus · March 2016

I play a Prox Det/Tether NB....its fun as hell

However..like i've stated before

damage should of been lowered a ton..and the % bonus for every person hit should of been increased.

Basically it should absolutely rip the ass of a zerg ball to get hit by it..but at the same time it should do absolutely nothing in a 1 or 2 man fight...