The change from DX9 to DX11 as a consumer of this game is costing me more money to run.

Troneon · March 2016

1st World Problems.....

NeoXanthus · March 2016

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Idk how you manage that. I run two sli gtx 460 2 gb ddr5, with 16 gb of ddr3 ram a HDD with a phenom II x4 965 that bottle necks my gpu out put. I run this game on max settings -grass and i put up 70+ fps.
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I would suspect you are running at 1920x1080.

Robbmrp · March 2016

Mason22 wrote: »

I think Peter would just talk to Mort directly.

If the op was any character on Family Guy it wouldn't be Mort.... That guys cheap as ****....

BoloBoffin · March 2016

Maybe we could get a Kickstarter going for your power bill. I'm in for a quarter!

Selstad · March 2016

NeoXanthus wrote: »

It is not just power usage it is also premature wear and tear. Playing this game after the DX11 upgrade is now like folding@home, bitcoining, and or GPU password cracking. Four of the GPUs are now running at 99% when only in gaming operation. Aside from the power and cooling increase plus the cost to run them in this DX11 mode, I suspect the cards are not rated to run that way for extended periods of time.

I'm finding it a bit perplexing that 4 cards are running at 99% capacity, where as mine - a GTX 950 - is running the game at high graphics yet doesn't utilize a near 100% of the GPU load. This game - though it has nice graphics - shouldn't suck so many GPUs dry. Are you sure everything is working as it should?

NeoXanthus · March 2016

Selstad wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

It is not just power usage it is also premature wear and tear. Playing this game after the DX11 upgrade is now like folding@home, bitcoining, and or GPU password cracking. Four of the GPUs are now running at 99% when only in gaming operation. Aside from the power and cooling increase plus the cost to run them in this DX11 mode, I suspect the cards are not rated to run that way for extended periods of time.

I'm finding it a bit perplexing that 4 cards are running at 99% capacity, where as mine - a GTX 950 - is running the game at high graphics yet doesn't utilize a near 100% of the GPU load. This game - though it has nice graphics - shouldn't suck so many GPUs dry. Are you sure everything is working as it should?

I am fairly sure everything is working correctly. I use MSI afterburner via an android to monitor it. Running at lower resolutions does work better but at native resolution of 7680x1440 DX11 is running at 30 tp 50 fps at 99% on 4 cards. DX9 works at 7680x1440 at 90 - 100 fps at 50% on all cards. To be very honest the only improvement in graphics quality in game I have seen in DX11 mode are some NPC faces and water. Other than that it looks the same.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Sad this guy has all this equipment and no idea how to configure it properly.

danno8 · March 2016

Lewis CK sums up this thread nicely in 2 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFsOUbZ0Lr0

Selstad · March 2016

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Selstad wrote: »

NeoXanthus wrote: »

It is not just power usage it is also premature wear and tear. Playing this game after the DX11 upgrade is now like folding@home, bitcoining, and or GPU password cracking. Four of the GPUs are now running at 99% when only in gaming operation. Aside from the power and cooling increase plus the cost to run them in this DX11 mode, I suspect the cards are not rated to run that way for extended periods of time.

I'm finding it a bit perplexing that 4 cards are running at 99% capacity, where as mine - a GTX 950 - is running the game at high graphics yet doesn't utilize a near 100% of the GPU load. This game - though it has nice graphics - shouldn't suck so many GPUs dry. Are you sure everything is working as it should?

I am fairly sure everything is working correctly. I use MSI afterburner via an android to monitor it. Running at lower resolutions does work better but at native resolution of 7680x1440 DX11 is running at 30 tp 50 fps at 99% on 4 cards. DX9 works at 7680x1440 at 90 - 100 fps at 50% on all cards. To be very honest the only improvement in graphics quality in game I have seen in DX11 mode are some NPC faces and water. Other than that it looks the same.

Very peculiar, I'm running a single GTX 950 on high settings with a 1920x1080 resolution, my GPU load at the most is at average 58% using GPU-Z with an interval of 1 sec per parsing. Either the game isn't optimized to utilize that high resolution or there's something configured wrong. You shouldn't experience such a massive GPU load on 4 cards with this game, even at that resolution, and especially with those cards. I'm suspecting there's something more at hand than ESO's changing to a DX11 standard.

Katahdin · March 2016

Lmao

You paid 6k for a computer and you're complaining about a power cost increase of 7-10 cents an hour increase.....lol.

If it breaks your budget so bad, sell the machine and get one that takes less power to run.

Games and technology advance. Get with the times or get left behind. Sorry, but you got no arguement.

Guess I'm lucky, my 4 gig card that cost $250 in a machine I built 1 year ago for 1/4 to 1/3 of the cost of yours runs the game just fine. I rarely get lag even in Cyrodil.

NeoXanthus · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sad this guy has all this equipment and no idea how to configure it properly.

This is not configuration issue, this is a simple DX9 vs DX11 performance. It is not just related to ESO or Nvidia or my rig. The problem is DX9 is faster than DX11 and as the resolution increase the problem get worse. I am assuming most rigs in this forum are only 1920x1080. The problem at 1920x1080 would be barely noticeable but increase the resolution to 4k or 7680x1440 and the gap between DX9 and DX11 is huge.

Look at this Toms hardware comparison with AMD on Dirt between DX11 and DX9 at 2560x1600. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dirt-2-performance-benchmark,2508-8.html

zantsuken · March 2016

I have noticed some choppiness and odd lag when entering populated ares with the DX11 change. My framerate will say it is running between 55-60 FPS but sometimes the screen pauses for just a moment, then moves again. It did not do this in the past with DX9.

NeoXanthus · March 2016

Katahdin wrote: »

Lmao

Games and technology advance. Get with the times or get left behind. Sorry, but you got no arguement.

I am not stuck looking at old technology it is Just because DX11 is newer does not make it better than DX9 for gaming. Look at it in reverse let’s say somebody had a technology DX9 that would use 30% less power and be 70% faster frame rate on large resolutions, the only drawback is NPC faces don’t look quite as real and water is not as real ether.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

NeoXanthus wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sad this guy has all this equipment and no idea how to configure it properly.

This is not configuration issue, this is a simple DX9 vs DX11 performance. It is not just related to ESO or Nvidia or my rig. The problem is DX9 is faster than DX11 and as the resolution increase the problem get worse. I am assuming most rigs in this forum are only 1920x1080. The problem at 1920x1080 would be barely noticeable but increase the resolution to 4k or 7680x1440 and the gap between DX9 and DX11 is huge.

Look at this Toms hardware comparison with AMD on Dirt between DX11 and DX9 at 2560x1600. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dirt-2-performance-benchmark,2508-8.html

You should try and find a local computer store see if a tech can help you configure it correctly so you dont have these issues.

Bodycounter · March 2016

Firstly: Your GPU can't be the bottleneck of your system. Either your computer is badly optimized for Eso or Eso is badly optimized for your setup (i could imagine, that Eso is not able to properly run at your resolution).

Secondly: It's possible, that your CPU bottlenecks your system. It has to do a lot of math for your setup to function properly. What's your CPU?

AhPook_Is_Here · March 2016

NeoXanthus wrote: »

I run Quad-SLI liquid cooled factory overclocked GTX Titans attached to three GSYNC displays with a combined resolution of 7680x1440. When the game was in DX9 mode the cards ran at about 50% usage each and the FPS was between 90 and 100fps (capped at 100 with FRAPS.) My power supplies for the system are dual 1500 watt and a single 750 watt. They all connect into a L6-30 twist lock PDU that supplies only 220v power. The wattage is measured at the wall when the game was in DX9 mode it was around 1220 watts with about 100 watt in variances. Now is DX11 mode FPS are around 35 to 50 although with GSYNC all still looks great, but the video cards are at 99% usage and my wattage measured at the wall is 1870 watts with about 150watt in variances. That is about a 650 watt increase.

When the computer was in DX9 mode:
Winter cost is about $0.13 an hour
Summer cost is about $0.16 an hour

Computer in DX11 mode:
Winter cost is about $0.21 an hour
Summer cost will be about $0.32 an hour

Not to mention the air-condition works harder when the computer is putting off more heat, and with the ridiculous grinds in this game this is going to get expensive. Yeah, yeah, I know this system was very expensive 2+ years ago but that is CAPEX not OPEX cost. You should have a choice to change it back to DX9.

That's handy, you only need a 6 amp breaker for all that juice. Seriously though, is your electric bill really a big deal? Maybe it was a co-op project Zeni did with Southern Company?

Acrolas · March 2016

A two-night stand costs twice as much as a one-night stand.
I've done the math.

Bring back one-night stands! And Darien!

NeoXanthus · March 2016

Bodycounter wrote: »

Firstly: Your GPU can't be the bottleneck of your system. Either your computer is badly optimized for Eso or Eso is badly optimized for your setup (i could imagine, that Eso is not able to properly run at your resolution).

Secondly: It's possible, that your CPU bottlenecks your system. It has to do a lot of math for your setup to function properly. What's your CPU?

The CPU is getting long in the tooth but I don't see it being utilize more than 60% on any one core. It is a Intel i7-4960X not-overclocked.

Wolfshead · March 2016

@NeoXanthus

If you run windows 10 which i guess you do you should have got DX11 for it is stand in windows 10 so blame that you get high power cost for you run DX 11 is just stupid and by look at you rig you sure can afford.

Beside most new game use DX11 and DX11 have been out since Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 10 so blame DX11 for you high power cost is just not true i would check with your power company if the have rise your power cost.

If you read this DirectX 11 it say nothing about you get high power cost just for runing DX11

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

ESO isn't optimized for SLI or Crossfire.

OP is just bragging how he can *** money away. Post us a fresh PIC OP. Better have a badasss lighting system in it.

Marktoneth3 · March 2016

daemonios wrote: »

With your budget, I don't know why you didn't go the REAL liquid cooling way...

liquid cooling have much higher heat output bro

Samsayia · March 2016

Its the part where he's ignoring everyone telling him to **** off with his money and still trying to have conversations with the people telling him that he's configured his system wrong is fairly well played, but, also makes denotations.

Suppose if everyone in this thread really wanted to get him to **** off with his money, you would need to, all at once, argue with him that his system is outdated for DX11 or argue with him that he doesn't know how to configure his own rig and that that is causing the overheating extra power strain. Or both at the same time.

Considering his rig set up and the differences between DX9 and 11 are a technological grey area where there's endless arguments for what is the "ultimate rig" and proper configuration this could be done. Just gonna leave that idea for anyone who reads enough new egg magazines to take that on, cuz I don't.

Asharin · March 2016

All that power, and he only gets about 10fps better than my old junk pc.
Quad core q6600 (overclocked naturaly) 16gb ram, ancient Radeon 6670 vid card, win 10.
I still get between 30 and 40 fps on average, granted I have to have subsampling on Medium, other settings don't seem to make any difference

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I full support the choice to spend $4k for high fidelity blurs in one's peripheral vision, but complaints about cost of ownership are hard to take seriously.

Same if you can accord a Lamborghini buy one but don't complain because the upkeep costs more then a 1999 dodge neon.

NeoXanthus · March 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

PIC OR YOU ARE LYING!!

99 percent ussage in DX11
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w500/NeoXanthus/cards_zpsfcdqk7xi.jpg

Monitors
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w500/NeoXanthus/monitors_zps5cphrj2m.jpg

Cooling
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w500/NeoXanthus/cooling_zpsczskge2x.jpg

inside
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w500/NeoXanthus/inside_zpsara5kjpn.jpg

The box is not pretty, no flashy lights, heck not even that clean. But it does have 4 Titan and brought to it's knees after the DX11 "upgrade."

LegacyDM · March 2016

You people are all missing the point. All he is asking for is a choice between dx9 and dx11. Albeit he looks silly because he had a 6k +$$$ machine, but his point is still valid. I myself have noticed a huge fps hit in cyrodil which is effecting my play. I used to be at 40 during rvr but now I'm at 15-25. By forcing people to go dx11 we all now have to shell out more $$$ to keep up with this game. Give us an option.

exeeter702 · March 2016

NeoXanthus wrote: »

I run Quad-SLI liquid cooled factory overclocked GTX Titans attached to three GSYNC displays with a combined resolution of 7680x1440. When the game was in DX9 mode the cards ran at about 50% usage each and the FPS was between 90 and 100fps (capped at 100 with FRAPS.) My power supplies for the system are dual 1500 watt and a single 750 watt. They all connect into a L6-30 twist lock PDU that supplies only 220v power. The wattage is measured at the wall when the game was in DX9 mode it was around 1220 watts with about 100 watt in variances. Now is DX11 mode FPS are around 35 to 50 although with GSYNC all still looks great, but the video cards are at 99% usage and my wattage measured at the wall is 1870 watts with about 150watt in variances. That is about a 650 watt increase.

When the computer was in DX9 mode:
Winter cost is about $0.13 an hour
Summer cost is about $0.16 an hour

Computer in DX11 mode:
Winter cost is about $0.21 an hour
Summer cost will be about $0.32 an hour

Not to mention the air-condition works harder when the computer is putting off more heat, and with the ridiculous grinds in this game this is going to get expensive. Yeah, yeah, I know this system was very expensive 2+ years ago but that is CAPEX not OPEX cost. You should have a choice to change it back to DX9.

Oh?

Selstad · March 2016

NeoXanthus wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

PIC OR YOU ARE LYING!!

99 percent ussage in DX11
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w500/NeoXanthus/cards_zpsfcdqk7xi.jpg

Monitors
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w500/NeoXanthus/monitors_zps5cphrj2m.jpg

Cooling
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w500/NeoXanthus/cooling_zpsczskge2x.jpg

inside
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w500/NeoXanthus/inside_zpsara5kjpn.jpg

The box is not pretty, no flashy lights, heck not even that clean. But it does have 4 Titan and brought to it's knees after the DX11 "upgrade."

How is your performance in other DX11 games? Do you experience the same FPS drop?

Lyrebon · March 2016

NeoXanthus wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

Xiana wrote: »

Running 4 Titans and complain about power usage? I'm speechless ...

@Xiana I know huh. He's easily got a $6k+ computer and complaining about $.32 cents an hour..... I guess after getting that rig they can't afford to buy anything else!

As for the computer cost 6k it was more than that. But everything system wise was my own decision. The change from DX9 to DX11 was something forced I see no benefit from it and it simply cost more to use for very little to any gain.

http://www.maximumpc.com/what-directx-11-is-and-what-it-means-to-you/

Can't ever imagine why gaming companies would want to upgrade *rolls eyes*

Also, I have a suggestion to cut your bills: Stop using so many monitors and GPUs. What are you? Tony Stark?

mattymaats · March 2016

After reading the OP

Sounds like first world problems man, if you want the game to keep progressing into the future what's the issue with you clocking up a a higher leccy bill? You already have a higher carbon footprint than Roman Abramovich with that rig.