Let's talk the new group-finder tool

Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

PREMADE GROUPS DOES NOW GET REWARDS!

Woo hoo!

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

- But you still gotta wait 10+ mins for queue to pop

D'oh!

That was my exact reaction too, when someone told me that premade-groups got rewards. Then, ey, wait, queue-time!

Edit:
Stealing in Hew's Bane or doing quests for the Tamriel Hero title is a nice way to waste time while waiting... Saviour of Nirn, too. And Wrothgar! Just be careful about the cliffs, they kill too easily.. Fall dmg op

failkiwib16_ESO · March 2016

hmm I normally shop flowers on a full map, when I queque for a dungeon ... I heard that the que will reset if I teleport between maps, so I always start searching when I am in crowded areas with good guildtraders.

Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

hmm I normally shop flowers on a full map, when I queque for a dungeon ... I heard that the que will reset if I teleport between maps, so I always start searching when I am in crowded areas with good guildtraders.

Huh, never thought about that. It doesn't make any sense though, lol.

failkiwib16_ESO · March 2016

Well I haven't dared to test it yet, so I can't say for sure wether or not it is true. I just don't want to have my que reset after 5min or more, where I have been in line for a dungeon for several minutes. >.<

Buying cheap flowers is good, because I get them sent to me by mail, so they don't clog up my inventory when I get into a group and get ported to a dungeon.

Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

Anyone else that didn't recieve their reward after completing White-Gold Tower using the Random Normal Dungeon? Zzz. Was painful enough to complete it with 2 randoms, and now we don't even get a reward. (Says In Progress, but we did kill Kena ;_;)

Orion_Sixx · March 2016

I would just be happy if they did away with not allowing cross alliances or change it to allow friends list que, atleast then we can run with friends easier.

NateAssassin · March 2016

What's the reward for finishing the dungeon?

UrQuan · March 2016

Orion_Sixx wrote: »

I would just be happy if they did away with not allowing cross alliances or change it to allow friends list que, atleast then we can run with friends easier.

Well then get ready to be happy! The Thieves Guild update came with unrestricted cross-alliances grouping for dungeons. No more needing to game the group finder queue to hopefully get grouped with the cross-alliance people you wanted to group with: now you can just invite them directly to group. That's the change in TG I've been the most excited about, and I've used it a bunch of times since the update.

UrQuan · March 2016

NateAssassin wrote: »

What's the reward for finishing the dungeon?

For your first random dungeon of the day at VR16 it's just over 100K XP (might be less if you're not an ESO+ member), a random set piece, a few soul gems, and a rare crafting style material. On your second random dungeon it's about 30K XP, and similar but somewhat less good items as rewards. I can't remember if the set piece is VR15 instead of VR16 on your second one, or if it's blue instead of purple.

Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

Full premade-group time still exist. I just want an eta on a fix ._.!

wolfydog · March 2016

I haven't had many issues with the group finder except, if I'm feeling lazy one night and don't want to tank or heal, and just want to dps, I never get into a dungeon. I have been que for over an hour more then once. If I leave and switch to tank or healer I get into a group instantly.

Teridaxus · March 2016

As tank i love it.
I guess healers probaly too.

Fruitmass · March 2016

wolfydog wrote: »

I haven't had many issues with the group finder except, if I'm feeling lazy one night and don't want to tank or heal, and just want to dps, I never get into a dungeon. I have been que for over an hour more then once. If I leave and switch to tank or healer I get into a group instantly.

Well that's in large part because there's no shortage of DPS. Where as Healers are less common and Tanks are rare indeed (and getting rarer). This leads to dps getting stuck in a huge pool all waiting in line for a spot to become available and with fewer Tanks or Healers to pair up with, there are fewer spots available. Leading to longer wait times.

ZOS really needs to do more to make the Healer and Tank roles more enticing to players. If not for the sake of added variety in gameplay in general, then at least for the sake of efficiency when using the Group Finder tool. More Tanks and Healers queuing into the Group Finder means more DPS getting paired up, meaning shorter wait times.

Wolfen_Steiner · March 2016

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

As tank i love it.
I guess healers probaly too.

And all the people who select those roles despite the fact they're DPS love it too lol

Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

Wolfen_Steiner wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

As tank i love it.
I guess healers probaly too.

And all the people who select those roles despite the fact they're DPS love it too lol

That is the worst. People selecting all 3 roles - then ends up doing none ;D

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Wolfen_Steiner wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

As tank i love it.
I guess healers probaly too.

And all the people who select those roles despite the fact they're DPS love it too lol

That is the worst. People selecting all 3 roles - then ends up doing none ;D

Not necessarily. A guildie of mine does all 3 outstandingly, carries stuff for all three roles in his inventory, and can do any of the three roles even in vICP or vWGT. Requires a talented player, but they do exist. He has a templar - it's the most versatile class.

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Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Wolfen_Steiner wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

As tank i love it.
I guess healers probaly too.

And all the people who select those roles despite the fact they're DPS love it too lol

That is the worst. People selecting all 3 roles - then ends up doing none ;D

Not necessarily. A guildie of mine does all 3 outstandingly, carries stuff for all three roles in his inventory, and can do any of the three roles even in vICP or vWGT. Requires a talented player, but they do exist. He has a templar - it's the most versatile class.

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I'm not talking about those who actually CAN - but there are a lot of players who put themselves as tank/healer just to get a group faster, without knowing how todo any of them.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Wolfen_Steiner wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

As tank i love it.
I guess healers probaly too.

And all the people who select those roles despite the fact they're DPS love it too lol

That is the worst. People selecting all 3 roles - then ends up doing none ;D

Not necessarily. A guildie of mine does all 3 outstandingly, carries stuff for all three roles in his inventory, and can do any of the three roles even in vICP or vWGT. Requires a talented player, but they do exist. He has a templar - it's the most versatile class.

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I'm not talking about those who actually CAN - but there are a lot of players who put themselves as tank/healer just to get a group faster, without knowing how to do any of them.

Sure, but I mentioned it because there are preconceived false ideas about that, and if he says openly "I can take whatever role you want", let alone signing up for all three roles in the grouping tool - because he will probably get kicked. Even though, in his case, it's true, he can do anything - and very well.

My sorc also heals very well (apart from vCOA, vICP and vWGT). But I don't even mention it, even if groups are waiting for a healer. I don't want to deal with this crappy argument anymore "but you're no templar"... I just DPS, problem solved for me (but not for them).

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Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Wolfen_Steiner wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

As tank i love it.
I guess healers probaly too.

And all the people who select those roles despite the fact they're DPS love it too lol

That is the worst. People selecting all 3 roles - then ends up doing none ;D

Not necessarily. A guildie of mine does all 3 outstandingly, carries stuff for all three roles in his inventory, and can do any of the three roles even in vICP or vWGT. Requires a talented player, but they do exist. He has a templar - it's the most versatile class.

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I'm not talking about those who actually CAN - but there are a lot of players who put themselves as tank/healer just to get a group faster, without knowing how to do any of them.

Sure, but I mentioned it because there are preconceived false ideas about that, and if he says openly "I can take whatever role you want", let alone signing up for all three roles in the grouping tool - because he will probably get kicked. Even though, in his case, it's true, he can do anything - and very well.

My sorc also heals very well (apart from vCOA, vICP and vWGT). But I don't even mention it, even if groups are waiting for a healer. I don't want to deal with this crappy argument anymore "but you're no templar"... I just DPS, problem solved for me (but not for them).

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Haha yeh. I've done that a few times. One of my Dark Flares outdamage the amount of damage they can put out in 30s LOL. Ive just went with full DPS and healed myself & occasionally the tank. I can do it faster on my own- than keeping them alive

TotterTates · March 2016

I have avoided pugs like the plague for the past 1 1/2 years... until TG.

I was encouraged to "give it a try" by a friend and I have to admit, I have enjoyed pugging tremendously.

That's not to say I haven't had my WTF moments, as many of my viewers can attest to (fortunately, they make for good twitch streams lol).

My biggest issue is with people not admitting to not knowing the encounter. I have zero issue running with new/inexperienced players, in fact I love explaining encounters and watching the group develop and improve... but I feel that many people are scared to admit that they have no idea what they're doing.

This is one of our failures as a community at large. The dungeon finder is now a wonderful way for new players to experience content. If we as seasoned veterans queue for the dungeon finder, we need to accept the overwhelming chances that our fellow group members are not on par with our dedicated groups. This doesn't mean they're all super casual "my character fights with his fists because he's a monk" players, in fact, many are openly receptive to advice and strategies.

TLDR: Endgame players that queue for group dungeons need to be willing to lead with a soft hand. New players shouldn't have to be scared to admit that they don't know the encounters.

captainwolfos · March 2016

TotterTates wrote: »

I have avoided pugs like the plague for the past 1 1/2 years... until TG.

I was encouraged to "give it a try" by a friend and I have to admit, I have enjoyed pugging tremendously.

That's not to say I haven't had my WTF moments, as many of my viewers can attest to (fortunately, they make for good twitch streams lol).

My biggest issue is with people not admitting to not knowing the encounter. I have zero issue running with new/inexperienced players, in fact I love explaining encounters and watching the group develop and improve... but I feel that many people are scared to admit that they have no idea what they're doing.

This is one of our failures as a community at large. The dungeon finder is now a wonderful way for new players to experience content. If we as seasoned veterans queue for the dungeon finder, we need to accept the overwhelming chances that our fellow group members are not on par with our dedicated groups. This doesn't mean they're all super casual "my character fights with his fists because he's a monk" players, in fact, many are openly receptive to advice and strategies.

TLDR: Endgame players that queue for group dungeons need to be willing to lead with a soft hand. New players shouldn't have to be scared to admit that they don't know the encounters.

I've largely avoided doing group content because I've only run maybe two of the original group dungeons (and that was before level scaling; I just bulldozed through with a vet character to get them off my map).

I'd like to complete them, but because I have no idea what I'm doing I mostly just steer clear.

Thank you for not hating us XD

ArchMikem · March 2016

Valve wrote: »

There needs to be a way of helping educate players about how to build their characters and how to play their role effectively.

So then people should play the way they like...so long as they do it a certain way and don't suck at it..?

Hazethemadman · March 2016

This is a relevant issue, and yes there should be some organization based on experience to put like-minded people together.

The thing is, a system that categorizes you based on experience already exists. It's called 'CP Level'.

All they have to do is either

A- Put groups together based on having similar CP Levels as standard procedure.
B- Create an option to group up based on CP Level and add a disclaimer that says, "this option may increase qeue times in the group finder."

Even if they are a low level, if they have the CP and they qeue up via the CP Level system then they most likely know what they are doing and/or have adequate gear.

Just my 2 cents on the issue.

Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Valve wrote: »

There needs to be a way of helping educate players about how to build their characters and how to play their role effectively.

So then people should play the way they like...so long as they do it a certain way and don't suck at it..?

Just basic guides. Fortunately, this gme offers a lot of versatility, BUT. It doesn't help anyone if you keep spamming light-attacks only, or using bow when you're Magicka etc. Just some basic stuff, rly.

The CP-lvl seems like a nice way tbh.

Lieblingsjunge · March 2016

captainwolfos wrote: »

TotterTates wrote: »

I have avoided pugs like the plague for the past 1 1/2 years... until TG.

I was encouraged to "give it a try" by a friend and I have to admit, I have enjoyed pugging tremendously.

That's not to say I haven't had my WTF moments, as many of my viewers can attest to (fortunately, they make for good twitch streams lol).

My biggest issue is with people not admitting to not knowing the encounter. I have zero issue running with new/inexperienced players, in fact I love explaining encounters and watching the group develop and improve... but I feel that many people are scared to admit that they have no idea what they're doing.

This is one of our failures as a community at large. The dungeon finder is now a wonderful way for new players to experience content. If we as seasoned veterans queue for the dungeon finder, we need to accept the overwhelming chances that our fellow group members are not on par with our dedicated groups. This doesn't mean they're all super casual "my character fights with his fists because he's a monk" players, in fact, many are openly receptive to advice and strategies.

TLDR: Endgame players that queue for group dungeons need to be willing to lead with a soft hand. New players shouldn't have to be scared to admit that they don't know the encounters.

I've largely avoided doing group content because I've only run maybe two of the original group dungeons (and that was before level scaling; I just bulldozed through with a vet character to get them off my map).

I'd like to complete them, but because I have no idea what I'm doing I mostly just steer clear.

Thank you for not hating us XD

There is never a reason to hate people for their lvl of gameplay, not at all. We all start somewhere

But the main problem I've encountered is people not responding when you ask them "Hey, have you done this before? If not, I could explain the boss-mechanics!" And then they end up dying over and over again to one boss, because they don't respond or don't ask for help. I know that there is a lot of people out there - who wants to help players and respond to their questions! But people actually need to ask those questions, or say yes when they're offered help. Being silent doesn't solve anything. E.g. killing the snake on the Lamia-boss. You don't do that, but if people don't listen when you tell them - how can one help people understand?

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Anyway. Been a while now. Is the fix implemented yet?

I havent rly been around to look for it.