Empower + Proxy detonation not working?

Croaxor · March 2016

I was wondering if it is intended that the empower buff does not stack with proxy detonation.
I have tested it multiple times with different abilities that trigger the empower buff, but in all cases i did not get the damage bonus.

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

it doesn't as best as I can tell on ps4. you still have the empower buff after casting proxy (I've been told is a clear sign it is not hitting that skill), and the mobs I was testing it on did not seem to take extra damage.. 20% would have been detectable to me after 40+ tests

JooPi · March 2016

Proxy dets damage is calculated the Moment u hit - u can cast on the off-bar, switch to the main-bar with DW on and get higher damage.

Did u try to have empower the Moment u "explode"?

Sorry for bad english and capital letters, german guy with mobilephones autocorrect here ^^

Xeven · March 2016

Empower WILL increase the tooltip damage for Curse, but it will NOT increase the actual damage.

I havent tested with Proxy yet.

I'm certain that ZOS hasn't either.

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Croaxor · March 2016

Empower requires an attack within 5 seconds, all methods i tried was within those 5 seconds. Also tried empower when casting, but that doesn't work either.

when proxy det is within 4-5 seconds i use the ability Empowered chains(Activates Empower). I tried the same with the mages guild passive (might of the guild) which grands empower after activating a mages guild ability.(vulcanic rune in this case)

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Croaxor wrote: »

Empower requires an attack within 5 seconds, all methods i tried was within those 5 seconds. Also tried empower when casting, but that doesn't work either.

when proxy det is within 4-5 seconds i use the ability Empowered chains(Activates Empower). I tried the same with the mages guild passive (might of the guild) which grands empower after activating a mages guild ability.(vulcanic rune in this case)

Isn't proxy considered a dot?

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

It fails it fails if it's right before u cast it. It also fails if u empower right before it explodes. I tested both I know I must have. This was a while ago tho

lolo_01b16_ESO · March 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Croaxor wrote: »

Empower requires an attack within 5 seconds, all methods i tried was within those 5 seconds. Also tried empower when casting, but that doesn't work either.

when proxy det is within 4-5 seconds i use the ability Empowered chains(Activates Empower). I tried the same with the mages guild passive (might of the guild) which grands empower after activating a mages guild ability.(vulcanic rune in this case)

Isn't proxy considered a dot?

Yes, proxy counts as dot and therefore can't benefit from empower.

Feisty_Khajiit128 · March 2016

Good.

Septimus_Magna · March 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Croaxor wrote: »

Empower requires an attack within 5 seconds, all methods i tried was within those 5 seconds. Also tried empower when casting, but that doesn't work either.

when proxy det is within 4-5 seconds i use the ability Empowered chains(Activates Empower). I tried the same with the mages guild passive (might of the guild) which grands empower after activating a mages guild ability.(vulcanic rune in this case)

Isn't proxy considered a dot?

Yes, proxy counts as dot and therefore can't benefit from empower.

How about Soul Tether?

Kammakazi · March 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Croaxor wrote: »

Empower requires an attack within 5 seconds, all methods i tried was within those 5 seconds. Also tried empower when casting, but that doesn't work either.

when proxy det is within 4-5 seconds i use the ability Empowered chains(Activates Empower). I tried the same with the mages guild passive (might of the guild) which grands empower after activating a mages guild ability.(vulcanic rune in this case)

Isn't proxy considered a dot?

Yes, proxy counts as dot and therefore can't benefit from empower.

How about Soul Tether?

Magicka Detonation and its morphs in general aren't affected by Empowered whatsoever. Both the base and its morphs are considered DoT abilities. The funny thing about Empower is that it can confuse you. You can cast an ability that grants Empower (Ambush, Mages Guild Might of the Guild, Empowering Chains, Solar Flare (and its morphs), and check tooltips for all your abilities where it be Single-Target/AoE, Channeled/Instant, or DoT or both, and it'll actually show you increased damage but it's just a UI glitch and it doesn't actually do increase damage if you actually cast the ability. Empower only gets consumed when you use an ability that is:

Single Target, Non-DoT
AoE, Non-DoT
Single Target Damage, but DoT afterwards. (This one's tricky. This category includes: Searing Strike, Eruption, Lotus Fan, Crippling Grasp, Blazing Spear, Sun Fire, Entropy, Cleave, Twin Slashes, Poison Arrow, Arrow Spray, Destructive Touch, Elemental Ring, Trap Beast, Entropy, Infectious Claws, Razor Caltrops, Meteor, Dawnbreaker, Storm Atronach, Radial Sweep)
In this category, only the INITIAL DAMAGE gets Empowered, the DoT afterwards isn't affected at all.

Extra: Daedric Minefield and Fire Rune aren't affected by Empower.

Croaxor · March 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Croaxor wrote: »

Empower requires an attack within 5 seconds, all methods i tried was within those 5 seconds. Also tried empower when casting, but that doesn't work either.

when proxy det is within 4-5 seconds i use the ability Empowered chains(Activates Empower). I tried the same with the mages guild passive (might of the guild) which grands empower after activating a mages guild ability.(vulcanic rune in this case)

Isn't proxy considered a dot?

Yes, proxy counts as dot and therefore can't benefit from empower.

How about Soul Tether?

Magicka Detonation and its morphs in general aren't affected by Empowered whatsoever. Both the base and its morphs are considered DoT abilities. The funny thing about Empower is that it can confuse you. You can cast an ability that grants Empower (Ambush, Mages Guild Might of the Guild, Empowering Chains, Solar Flare (and its morphs), and check tooltips for all your abilities where it be Single-Target/AoE, Channeled/Instant, or DoT or both, and it'll actually show you increased damage but it's just a UI glitch and it doesn't actually do increase damage if you actually cast the ability. Empower only gets consumed when you use an ability that is:
Single Target, Non-DoT

AoE, Non-DoT

Single Target Damage, but DoT afterwards. (This one's tricky. This category includes: Searing Strike, Eruption, Lotus Fan, Crippling Grasp, Blazing Spear, Sun Fire, Entropy, Cleave, Twin Slashes, Poison Arrow, Arrow Spray, Destructive Touch, Elemental Ring, Trap Beast, Entropy, Infectious Claws, Razor Caltrops, Meteor, Dawnbreaker, Storm Atronach, Radial Sweep)
In this category, only the INITIAL DAMAGE gets Empowered, the DoT afterwards isn't affected at all.

Extra: Daedric Minefield and Fire Rune aren't affected by Empower.

I can't consider Magicka det as an DoT, did they do this on purpose or is this a bug aswell? So if Magicka det is a DoT, does Thaumaturge increase damage? Since it's'considered a "DoT".

Septimus_Magna · March 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Croaxor wrote: »

Empower requires an attack within 5 seconds, all methods i tried was within those 5 seconds. Also tried empower when casting, but that doesn't work either.

when proxy det is within 4-5 seconds i use the ability Empowered chains(Activates Empower). I tried the same with the mages guild passive (might of the guild) which grands empower after activating a mages guild ability.(vulcanic rune in this case)

Isn't proxy considered a dot?

Yes, proxy counts as dot and therefore can't benefit from empower.

How about Soul Tether?

Magicka Detonation and its morphs in general aren't affected by Empowered whatsoever. Both the base and its morphs are considered DoT abilities. The funny thing about Empower is that it can confuse you. You can cast an ability that grants Empower (Ambush, Mages Guild Might of the Guild, Empowering Chains, Solar Flare (and its morphs), and check tooltips for all your abilities where it be Single-Target/AoE, Channeled/Instant, or DoT or both, and it'll actually show you increased damage but it's just a UI glitch and it doesn't actually do increase damage if you actually cast the ability. Empower only gets consumed when you use an ability that is:
Single Target, Non-DoT

AoE, Non-DoT

Single Target Damage, but DoT afterwards. (This one's tricky. This category includes: Searing Strike, Eruption, Lotus Fan, Crippling Grasp, Blazing Spear, Sun Fire, Entropy, Cleave, Twin Slashes, Poison Arrow, Arrow Spray, Destructive Touch, Elemental Ring, Trap Beast, Entropy, Infectious Claws, Razor Caltrops, Meteor, Dawnbreaker, Storm Atronach, Radial Sweep)
In this category, only the INITIAL DAMAGE gets Empowered, the DoT afterwards isn't affected at all.

Extra: Daedric Minefield and Fire Rune aren't affected by Empower.

So the initial dmg of Soul Tether would benefit from Empowered? Its an instant AOE dmg skills so I would assume it falls under the second category you mentioned.

@Croaxor Yes, Thaumaturge increases (and Thick Skin mitigates) Proxy Det dmg.

Kammakazi · March 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

So the initial dmg of Soul Tether would benefit from Empowered? Its an instant AOE dmg skills so I would assume it falls under the second category you mentioned.

@Croaxor Yes, Thaumaturge increases (and Thick Skin mitigates) Proxy Det dmg.

Yup, you can easily test this by doing Entropy > Soul Tether and watch if your arms' orange glow dissipates after the ability has been casted (and of course has dealt damage)

Croaxor wrote: »

I can't consider Magicka det as an DoT, did they do this on purpose or is this a bug aswell? So if Magicka det is a DoT, does Thaumaturge increase damage? Since it's'considered a "DoT".

I mean it is a DoT and has been one since I can remember. Magicka Detonation and Daedric Curse both act the same way. You can test this yourself using Nerien'eth or Valkyn Skoria, since these two sets are not activated with DoT abilities.