ESO Holding Back Skyrim for XB1?

waterfairy · March 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Maybe because sales were so high that most people have already played it so remastered sales will be weak.

It won't sell as much as it did initially but I think it would still sell well. I would buy it and know 3 people that would too...we're just pebbles in an ocean of TES fans that would also buy it. I'm willing to bet that at least 100,000 people would buy it and that's a low estimate considering there's 10's of millions of PS4 and Xbox One players. If they sold 100,000 for $50 each, that's an easy 5 million in their pocket without having to print discs and distribute.

It's a win-win for both fans and Bethesda.

nimander99 · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

My fear is that TES6 will not become a reality because of ESO.

having said this, Zenimax is probably holding back the license to prevent backwards compatibility for xbone.

Thank you so much for planting that seed in my head... Now I'm gonna find a brick and see if I can't un-plant it

Elsonso · March 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.

Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)

breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/

Could the elder scrolls graphic refer to ESO? It is the same IP.

Well, if you believe the picture at the top of the article, TES 6 looks like it will take place in Belkarth.

danno8 · March 2016

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Skyrim released in 2011. Not sure it sold a billion $ though. That is spectulation. Just as your numbers for ESO. Zos/Bethesda are private owned and don't release any sales/population figures.
BUT, if you look at the Facebook ESO page, it had 750k likes/followers at launch,04/04/14. Today it has 2+million. Not official numbers of population or units sold, but it defiantly a good indication of how many like ESO.
SO, can everyone stop worrying about TES6? It will be here 2019/2020. Just hope it is not as broke and dummied down as Skyrim was...Huzzah!

Note* This was just published today, 3/15/16. Might give some more insight...:)
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/the.elder.scrolls.vi.release.date.rumor.game.not.coming.anytime.soon.but.to.be.teased.at.e3.2016/81827.htm

Bethesda has confirmed it sold 20 million copies by June 2013.

When they sold 7 million copies they said it had generated $450 million. So the average price was around $60 at that time for that to be roughly true.

If you use an average price of $50 per copy for the first year and a half (starting at $60 then dropping to $40 a year or so later) then the 1 billion mark estimate is a pretty good guess.

The last confirmed amount by Bethesda was $620 million when they were at the 10 million copy mark (not including digital copies)

You don't really think ESO is pulling in this kind of revenue do you?

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

My fear is that TES6 will not become a reality because of ESO.

having said this, Zenimax is probably holding back the license to prevent backwards compatibility for xbone.

Thank you so much for planting that seed in my head... Now I'm gonna find a brick and see if I can't un-plant it

Sorry broski

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.

Zenimax isn't their parent company

Zenimax Media is Bethesda Corporate

1.Zenimax Media was created by Bethesda founders Christopher Weaver and Robert Altman.
2. Weaver made Altman CEO of Zenimax Media

This means Zenimax Media is actually nothing more then Bethesda Corporate since one of the founders of Bethesda is the CEO of Zenimax Media and was created to manage the IP, acquiring new stuff, and the corporate day to day stuff so Bethesda could focus on developing games...in other words Zenimax Media handles the business, taxes, etc side of the company so Bethesda can make products.

in reality ZOS is a studio hired by Bethesda Corporate(Zenimax Media) to make an MMO for them with one of their IP.

Its not uncommon for companies once they begin to grow large enough or want to grow large enough to create seperate corporate entity often times with a different name to handle specific aspects of the company to expand while not having the same name as the actually company to keep them seperate for legal, tax, and other reasons.

ZOS isn't squashing anything, they are simply hired by Zenimax media to make an MMO with an IP owned by Zenimax(Bethesda Corporate)

Go watch the B2P annoucement vids, anytime anything big with ESO happens look who was there...Pete Hines..VP of Bethesda...Bethesda has always been calling the shots from day one via their corporate entity(Zenimax Media). in reality ZOS simply a studio hired by Zenimax Media(Bethesda) to make an MMO game for them...look at how the whole company is structured. Zenimax Media is just Bethesda Corporate that handles corporate stuff, and later Bethesda Studios makes the games, and Bethesda Softworks publishes....its standard corporate set up. I know its confusing, but Zenimax Media is just the corporate form of Bethesda that Bethesda them selves formed. This is often done for tax, legal, and other such purposes. It the same as Bethesda creating Bethesda Softworks to publish games while Bethesda Studios makes them..its all easier to manage when broke into certain entities

KaleidoscopeEyz · March 2016

I love ESO SO MUCH MORE than Skyrim.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.

Zenimax isn't their parent company

Zenimax Media is Bethesda Corporate

1.Zenimax Media was created by Bethesda founders Christopher Weaver and Robert Altman.
2. Weaver made Altman CEO of Zenimax Media

This means Zenimax Media is actually nothing more then Bethesda Corporate since one of the founders of Bethesda is the CEO of Zenimax Media and was created to manage the IP, acquiring new stuff, and the corporate day to day stuff so Bethesda could focus on developing games...in other words Zenimax Media handles the business, taxes, etc side of the company so Bethesda can make products.

in reality ZOS is a studio hired by Bethesda Corporate(Zenimax Media) to make an MMO for them with one of their IP.

Its not uncommon for companies once they begin to grow large enough or want to grow large enough to create seperate corporate entity often times with a different name to handle specific aspects of the company to expand while not having the same name as the actually company to keep them seperate for legal, tax, and other reasons.

ZOS isn't squashing anything, they are simply hired by Zenimax media to make an MMO with an IP owned by Zenimax(Bethesda Corporate)

Go watch the B2P annoucement vids, anytime anything big with ESO happens look who was there...Pete Hines..VP of Bethesda...Bethesda has always been calling the shots from day one via their corporate entity(Zenimax Media). in reality ZOS simply a studio hired by Zenimax Media(Bethesda) to make an MMO game for them...look at how the whole company is structured. Zenimax Media is just Bethesda Corporate that handles corporate stuff, and later Bethesda Studios makes the games, and Bethesda Softworks publishes....its standard corporate set up. I know its confusing, but Zenimax Media is just the corporate form of Bethesda that Bethesda them selves formed. This is often done for tax, legal, and other such purposes. It the same as Bethesda creating Bethesda Softworks to publish games while Bethesda Studios makes them..its all easier to manage when broke into certain entities

When I say Zenimax I mean Zenimax Media (which is the corporate you refer to correct?)

I get what you're dishing though.

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

When I say Zenimax I mean Zenimax Media (which is the corporate you refer to correct?)

I get what you're dishing though.

Yup, good deal

I think ESO will probably co-exist right along with the single player titles because they are meant for 2 different audiences, the players that don't go for the single player titles will play ESO and those who don't want the MMO will play the single player..its a win-win all the way around...I don't think either side has anything to worry about, both games will co-exist and should go on for many years

Samadhi · March 2016

goatlyonesub17_ESO wrote: »

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

No eta

ETA for TES6 release is late 2019/early 2020.

http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/635050/Elder-Scrolls-6-Online-Skyrim-Release-Date-Bethesda-Location-Unveiled
...

"It is more than likely that the game will be set in somewhere other than Skyrim, with Argonia also said to be the next location in Tamriel."

Whenever I see an article or video proclaiming Argonia to be the next single player location, instantly doubt the validity.

Not to say it is impossible.
Moreso, it is the fact that they use pictures from ESO, and that ESO has Murkmire announced a couple years ago as an incoming zone.
Tend to figure that people hear that ESO is going to get a Black Marsh expansion, and get mixed up into thinking that the topic of discussion is the next single player game.

The two most likely candidates, in my expectation, are Summerset Isles and Elsweyr.
Both have little to no representation in ESO, and do not appear to have any ESO content scheduled either.
Elsweyr seems more likely due to where the series lore is standing.

Oblivion, NPCs would discuss the Thalmor rebelling against the empire (they would talk about 'syndicates of wizards' leading boycotts of Imperial goods in the Summerset isles), and then Skyrim had important focus on the 200 year-later reprecussions of that.

Since Summerset is kind of a place of power, and have extended their influence to Elsweyr, suspecting that the next game may well explore how the impacts have set in there in a cultural sense.

It is just generally fun to speculate though.

hrothbern · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.

I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.

I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.

Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.

The parent company of Bethesda is Zenimax Media inc, not ZOS. Zenimax Media inc also own ID Software and a load of other big publishers/developers, they wouldn't have any specific interest in ZOS. Bethesda own the TES IP but that is the extent of their involvment with ESO, they haven't had to invest any resources into the development of ESO and therefore ESO shouldn't have any impact on the development of TES6.

These guys do business - they have investors - they do not f*ck around, they have to deliver, not games, but return on investment - the whole organisation is involved in this and interconnected. They do not deliver, their investors will not be happy and this means management skulls roll - they do not kill themselves by decisions which do not make investors happy.

My point was they wouldn't just favour a company based on it sharing a name. The comment I replied to said that Zenimax Media inc would squash tes6 because tes6 would destroy eso. Doesn't sound like good reasoning is all.

not destroy it - sure it won't - but it takes away income from ESO for a while - they get more on one leg "Bethesda" and less on the other leg "ZOS" where they are standing on - so the balance of it is - not really a lot more at all - but they had the costs of development and need to cover them - the longer TES6 players do not spend money in ESO, the more loss it is in the end - that is why they do not do that - it would economically be silly.

But why do you think Zenimax Media inc would prefer the success of eso to the potential success of tes6? I would imagine tes6 had greater potential to earn than eso. Yeah eso has the whole cash shop thing but tes6 would be much more mainstream and sell multiple times more, with dlc. I'm not an expert on these things, just going on gut feeling so I'm prepared to be wrong.

It cost as well a lot more - and win is basically just shifted from one source of income (ZOS) to another one (Bethesda) - that is not really more win for the whole Zenimax group, if you take it from one source and put it on another - while if Bethesda works on something unrelated, what they currently do, this will be an additional source of income, which can cover the development costs easily (well, if it is successful that is).

I see your point. I just think the TES single player franchise is too big for them to just ignore like that, especially as ESO probably hasn't proved its worth yet. Idk, if ESO dies now would they have made much money? TES6 would be a guaranteed profit for all involved surely, by a predictable margin. Besides I don't actually believe that ESO and the TES single player games compete all that much. People play single player games and mmos for different reasons, they could coexist easily I think.

See, for me and maybe a lot of TES fans ESO is just an online version of TES - it feels like that and Pvp is well in it's ghetto in Cyrrodil, far away and out of sight. And that is what is the direction of this game - it will feel more and more like an online Elder Scrolls RPG and that is what Mr. Firor has in mind with ESO - he stated that lately in an interview. It will become more and more attractive for TES fans - it is what it was meant to be "Elder Scrolls with friends" - it is not a typical MMO.

Edit: ESO is not any near to dying - they are not in vain satisfied for where they are now - because they felt the boots of their investors with the failure of the first ESO and had to make vital changes to get it on a winning lane again - but with the relaunch of ESO:TU they finally got it right - now they have to learn how to polish and fix their game - and to put effort into that, if they want it to succeed for a longer time.

it is what it was meant to be "Elder Scrolls with friends

very much so

It is an RPG with a fair degree of TES immersion, where you can quest with your friends, do raids and can side step to an MMO aspect of the game.
Play what you want, how you want, in one bundle.
Compatible plus to single player and pushing it away over time.

Not really intended to compete with pure MMO's, but why not ?