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ESO Holding Back Skyrim for XB1?
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✭✭✭✭✭.I honestly don't know why they won't remaster Skyrim for the current consoles...it can't be that hard to do considering it would basically be the PC version and it would make them millions for a relatively simple project.
Skyrim aside, I'm hopeful that we'll hear something about TES VI at e3. Bethesda will be there again this year and I doubt it's to talk about Fallout 4 DLC and the Thieves Guild DLC.
Well the same could be said about Morrowind - a redux on a high-end game engine would as well sell like pretzels - but they did not do this in the last 12 years and are not going to do it ever - this is just not Bethesda's style - they are going for new horizons, just like what they are doing now.Edited by Lysette on March 15, 2016 2:41PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The thing is every game company is making games to compete with other game makers so it would be crazy for Bethesda to not bring out some sort of competition to eso but that isnt what the op was asking
now will skyrim go backward I hope so but I very much doubt it will
I guess, you missed the picture - Zenimax media is the top level organization - it owns both - Bethesda and ZOS - they do not want competition in their own "family", this would be bad - one sibling taking the revenue from the other sibling. This is shifting the same money around not earning it. Both siblings have to do different things if both want to earn money.
Bettter to understand that this way now?Edited by Lysette on March 15, 2016 2:55PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭For those saying Zenimax Media won't allow a TES:VI you are aware of how well Fallout 4 just did right?
Zenimax as a parent company would be stupid to deny Bethesda the chance to make TES:VI, honestly I think they'll have it as they always have and some will leave for it, some will stay here as they want multiplayer and an MMO.
They're entirely different games, those who want single player TES are probably not staying with this any way, regardless of if TES:VI exists.
And why wouldn't they exactly?- I gave my reasoning why I will stay with ESO for years, if it is continuing to go into the direction which Mr. Firor has pointed out - that is exactly what a casual TES player wants and there are plenty of us around. It is already mainly solo play - from my perspective - but I can group with others sometimes - that is all I want basically. I am still playing Oblivion and Skyrim sometimes - but ...after a while it feels lonely. I don't know if I can ever go back to a pure single player TES game and play it for hours - I can already not do that with Fallout 4 anymore. I am missing people, these games feel lonely now. Did you play any of the single player TES games lately?- And maybe made the same experience? Or is it just me?
@Lysette when I say those who want the single player versions I mean the players who don't ever want others around, those who want that core single player experience with nodding and immersion which ESO can't offer.
That's not to say that everyone who enjoys these games will leave and never come back, but there are those players who want that over what ESO has to offer and when the time comes that there is more TES gameplay like that they will most likely move on if they haven't already.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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goatlyonesub17_ESO✭✭✭✭LiquidSchwartz wrote: »No eta
ETA for TES6 release is late 2019/early 2020.
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/635050/Elder-Scrolls-6-Online-Skyrim-Release-Date-Bethesda-Location-Unveiled
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✭✭✭✭✭goatlyonesub17_ESO wrote: »LiquidSchwartz wrote: »No eta
ETA for TES6 release is late 2019/early 2020.
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/635050/Elder-Scrolls-6-Online-Skyrim-Release-Date-Bethesda-Location-Unveiled
http://neurogadget.com/2016/01/19/the-elder-scrolls-6-was-given-a-release-time-but-it-doesnt-look-good/22634
Haha did you read these "reports" - this is just rumors with totally weird calculations of a release date, which is not even doing the math correctly - like work on it should have started in 2017 and release might be 2019/20 - they do not even have a clue about what effort it is to make such a game - just forget about this crap - these reports even contradict each other.0 -
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✭✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »My fear is that TES6 will not become a reality because of ESO.
having said this, Zenimax is probably holding back the license to prevent backwards compatibility for xbone.
I call that "getting KOTORed"Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭they explicitly stated that there wont be another ES game for a while, so content yourself with eso.
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✭Sallington wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »My fear is that TES6 will not become a reality because of ESO.
having said this, Zenimax is probably holding back the license to prevent backwards compatibility for xbone.
I call that "getting KOTORed"
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(via ohplesiosaur.tumblr.com/post/62356894730/look-at-these-beautiful-polished-stones-yep)
Sometimes, to polish a turd, all you need is a little time and patience.
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EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.1 -
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✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
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✭✭✭✭✭I have to laugh when people think that developing an MMO is easier, cheaper and takes less time than a singe-player game like Skyrim. They've both spent YEARS in development and rumor has it that ESO cost $200M to make... now even if it was only half that, you can see that it still cost a huge amount of money that I think a lot of players are forgetting. Thus, ESO is most likely still trying to recoup their initial development costs and trying to appease worried investors... and let's not bring up the $1M give-away because that was tax deductible as a Marketing expense anyway.
So if ES6 is going to be made, it will take several YEARS to appear... so if they haven't already been putting time into its development, than anyone expecting it before 2020 is fooling themselves; if they started on it now, they might have it ready by 2020.
True, but making the next 12 DLCs is by far cheaper than making a TES6 - and it will earn like 3 times more than a TES6 would.
I am sorry but your math on this is just bad given how well TES single player games do financially.
Even if ESO sold 200,000 (which is a grand overestimate) of each of the next 12 dlc's, and they sold them for around $30 each, that would only amount to 72 million dollars. At 4 dlc's per year that is spread out over 3 years.
Skyrim has made over 1 BILLION dollars! ESO would have to sell 2.6 million of EACH of the next 12 dlc's to get those kind of results.
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EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/Edited by EnemyOfDaState on March 15, 2016 5:00PM0 -
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✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/
Rumor mill brostate. While I hope it is a true rumor we won't know until E3 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/
An interesting link. I assume that is a spoof site, right? I like the supported platforms at the bottom.
As for the general reporting on this subject in the press ... I seriously think that if Pete Hines came out and said, and I quote, "there will not be any more Elder Scrolls games," that the headline would say "Hines confirms that Bethesda working on TES 6: Argonia".
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EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/
Rumor mill brostate. While I hope it is a true rumor we won't know until E3
The release date is a rumor the fact that there will be a TES6 is confirmed.0 -
Lyrebon✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »My fear is that TES6 will not become a reality because of ESO.
having said this, Zenimax is probably holding back the license to prevent backwards compatibility for xbone.
TES6 is planned but they're (BethSoft) focusing on Fallout 4 DLC right now. If TES6 is not in development it's not because of ESO. This happens every cycle, they release a Fallout game followed by TES and keep the content for either one going for a year or so after release, then start development on the next game. A game like Skyrim takes 3-4 years to develop so we might not see TES6 until 2019-2020.
Pete Hines has sort of confirmed it as well: http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/635050/Elder-Scrolls-6-Online-Skyrim-Release-Date-Bethesda-Location-Unveiledc.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
Bethesda are a subsidiary of Zenimax Media, which also created Zenimax Online to handle ESO, so no, the teams are completely different. BethSoft has had no hand in creating ESO except consultation on lore, the assets (3D models, renders, textures, programming, UI, etc.) themselves were created purely by the ZoS team.
BethSoft is currently focusing on extra content for Fallout 4 but Peter Hines (VP of BethSoft) has stated that he's aiming for a 2019 release date for TES6.Edited by Lyrebon on March 15, 2016 5:44PM0 -
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✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/
Rumor mill brostate. While I hope it is a true rumor we won't know until E3
The release date is a rumor the fact that there will be a TES6 is confirmed.
Where's TES6 confirmed?0 -
Thallia✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »My fear is that TES6 will not become a reality because of ESO.
having said this, Zenimax is probably holding back the license to prevent backwards compatibility for xbone.
haha I dont think that
, TES6 would make bethesda so much money and more importantly fans. They are probably working on Tes6 as we speak. Keep in mind that the reason we dont have a TES game this year is because they were working on Fallout. Dont forget it takes them a long time to develop these big a** RPG's, its not going to be a recycled 1 year project like COD.
Dont Pee your pants yet guys. Of course they will make a TES6, ESO does not have a strong link to Bethesda as it was zenimax who developed the game. Sure the players for ESO will drop execissevly when TES6 drops but it will be back up its not like they told bethesda to not make TES6 because they will lose fans. Correct me if im wrong but when Fallout 4 dropped did you play Fallout or ESO? Because I played Fallout for days straight and didnt even touch ESO one bit. And i have been playing since beta and its my favorite game in the world.
Look we dont know if they will make it or not but making accusations about it as if you are the one and only Todd Howard is a bit silly. You didnt do this but others did in this Forum post
As for the location I think there was a rumour that it would be in Blackmarsh which would be sick but wouldnt work lore wise haha EP:
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NativeJoe✭✭✭✭✭Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time Star Trek had a Weekly TV show, games launched every couple months and the franchise was going strong. Was even a contender verses Star wars. Books where written, posters printed, Action figures and ships sold in mass. It was a franchise everyone knew.
They created a MMO~ Star Trek online which took place after voyager got back from the delta quadrant. The Story line from there has Gone on and on and effectively blocked any series, or any further development upon the series. there are no more movies planned, no more gimics, books or anything else coming. The game will get buggier, budgets will be cut, and star trek and everything it used to be will eventually fade from existence and generations will grow up without it ever being brought in conversation again.
TES series has done amazing for itself. And with the launch of the MMO, they've placed this game at the mid beginning of the series ages. Meaning they've still put some Lore hitches if they ever want to create a new game. because mmo's are on going...and you can't exactly have a cut off point.
Had they timed it after the dragon born... There would definitely be nothing more coming to this series...
But since they placed it as a pre-qual... it still leaves room for another game. but it's going to be awhile.
Star wars has experimented with this idea... "Old republic etc" and the Star wars online. All placed pre-everything else in the series...and Movies are incoming, and thus so are games...
Will there be a TES 6? Yes.
Will it happen within the next 2 years? no.
Realistically I'd say we'd see another TES game here in about 5~8 years. well after we've upgraded our computers to something better than silicon. and VR headsets are just becoming common in every house hold. TES 6, will be VR tho...no doubt about it.650cp+ Sorcerer 100+ days /played
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✭✭✭goatlyonesub17_ESO wrote: »LiquidSchwartz wrote: »No eta
ETA for TES6 release is late 2019/early 2020.
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/635050/Elder-Scrolls-6-Online-Skyrim-Release-Date-Bethesda-Location-Unveiled
http://neurogadget.com/2016/01/19/the-elder-scrolls-6-was-given-a-release-time-but-it-doesnt-look-good/22634
Ok. Had to throw in my two septims.
1. Idk if they will release Skyrim Xb1. (Hope they fix all the god-awful bugs it had if they do).
2. Yes, they will do TES:VI. Yes they have said it. It will probably be 2019-2020. (Look at time from Oblivion to Fallout3 to Skyrim to Fallout4. They alternate titles with avg of 5 years between).
[/quote]Even if ESO sold 200,000 (which is a grand overestimate) of each of the next 12 dlc's, and they sold them for around $30 each, that would only amount to 72 million dollars. At 4 dlc's per year that is spread out over 3 years.
Skyrim has made over 1 BILLION dollars! ESO would have to sell 2.6 million of EACH of the next 12 dlc's to get those kind of results.
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Skyrim released in 2011. Not sure it sold a billion $ though. That is spectulation. Just as your numbers for ESO. Zos/Bethesda are private owned and don't release any sales/population figures.
BUT, if you look at the Facebook ESO page, it had 750k likes/followers at launch,04/04/14. Today it has 2+million. Not official numbers of population or units sold, but it defiantly a good indication of how many like ESO.
SO, can everyone stop worrying about TES6? It will be here 2019/2020. Just hope it is not as broke and dummied down as Skyrim was...Huzzah!
Note* This was just published today, 3/15/16. Might give some more insight...:)
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/the.elder.scrolls.vi.release.date.rumor.game.not.coming.anytime.soon.but.to.be.teased.at.e3.2016/81827.htmEdited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on March 15, 2016 6:06PMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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Thallia✭✭Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time Star Trek had a Weekly TV show, games launched every couple months and the franchise was going strong. Was even a contender verses Star wars. Books where written, posters printed, Action figures and ships sold in mass. It was a franchise everyone knew.
They created a MMO~ Star Trek online which took place after voyager got back from the delta quadrant. The Story line from there has Gone on and on and effectively blocked any series, or any further development upon the series. there are no more movies planned, no more gimics, books or anything else coming. The game will get buggier, budgets will be cut, and star trek and everything it used to be will eventually fade from existence and generations will grow up without it ever being brought in conversation again.
TES series has done amazing for itself. And with the launch of the MMO, they've placed this game at the mid beginning of the series ages. Meaning they've still put some Lore hitches if they ever want to create a new game. because mmo's are on going...and you can't exactly have a cut off point.
Had they timed it after the dragon born... There would definitely be nothing more coming to this series...
But since they placed it as a pre-qual... it still leaves room for another game. but it's going to be awhile.
Star wars has experimented with this idea... "Old republic etc" and the Star wars online. All placed pre-everything else in the series...and Movies are incoming, and thus so are games...
Will there be a TES 6? Yes.
Will it happen within the next 2 years? no.
Realistically I'd say we'd see another TES game here in about 5~8 years. well after we've upgraded our computers to something better than silicon. and VR headsets are just becoming common in every house hold. TES 6, will be VR tho...no doubt about it.
Lore doest matter much in ESO because of the Dragon break theoryWill there be a TES 6? Yes.
Will it happen within the next 2 years? no.
Realistically I'd say we'd see another TES game here in about 5~8 years. well after we've upgraded our computers to something better than silicon. and VR headsets are just becoming common in every house hold. TES 6, will be VR tho...no doubt about it.
Dont make assumptions as if they are fact. No one but Bethesda workers know when it coming out, and they probably dont even know for sure yet as Fallout 4 just released. As Skyrim took about 4 years to make, I think that now with a bigger studio than before they could possibly make it in 3 years. 5-8 seems abit excessive.... Im jsut hoping it comes ASAP haha EP:
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Lyrebon✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »
Where's TES6 confirmed?
The language Hines uses in interviews strongly indicates the company's production ethos up to now: release a quality game and focus on making it better with feedback, then move on to the next project. It's something I applaud BethSoft for doing, -not releasing a shoddy sequel a year or two afterwards but instead spending 3-4 years developing something of quality.
You won't see a BethSoft game year on year, instead you'll see one major game every 4 years that captures critical acclaim and draws in a huge player-base due to positive reviews and word-of-mouth. How many people are still playing Skyrim? Morrowind? Even the old Fallout 1+2 games get a lot of attention almost two decades after release. Why? Because they're games that were designed with care and attention, and they're memorable.
TES6 isn't solid but it's optimistic. Until Hines actually states they won't be doing any more TES games for the foreseeable future I think we can expect a new game every 7-8 years, interspersed with a Fallout game or whatever new project they come up with. TES and Fallout will always be their babies though, they're huge worlds with a lot of opportunity to build on.0 -
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Even if ESO sold 200,000 (which is a grand overestimate) of each of the next 12 dlc's, and they sold them for around $30 each, that would only amount to 72 million dollars. At 4 dlc's per year that is spread out over 3 years.wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »goatlyonesub17_ESO wrote: »LiquidSchwartz wrote: »No eta
ETA for TES6 release is late 2019/early 2020.
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/635050/Elder-Scrolls-6-Online-Skyrim-Release-Date-Bethesda-Location-Unveiled
http://neurogadget.com/2016/01/19/the-elder-scrolls-6-was-given-a-release-time-but-it-doesnt-look-good/22634
Ok. Had to throw in my two septims.
1. Idk if they will release Skyrim Xb1. (Hope they fix all the god-awful bugs it had if they do).
2. Yes, they will do TES:VI. Yes they have said it. It will probably be 2019-2020. (Look at time from Oblivion to Fallout3 to Skyrim to Fallout4. They alternate titles with avg of 5 years between).
Skyrim has made over 1 BILLION dollars! ESO would have to sell 2.6 million of EACH of the next 12 dlc's to get those kind of results.
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Skyrim released in 2011. Not sure it sold a billion $ though. That is spectulation. Just as your numbers for ESO. Zos/Bethesda are private owned and don't release any sales/population figures.
BUT, if you look at the Facebook ESO page, it had 750k likes/followers at launch,04/04/14. Today it has 2+million. Not official numbers of population or units sold, but it defiantly a good indication of how many like ESO.
SO, can everyone stop worrying about TES6? It will be here 2019/2020. Just hope it is not as broke and dummied down as Skyrim was...Huzzah! [/quote]
Agree completely. People like to create drama over the most silly things sometimes haha. TES6 will definetly come in the next 3-4-5 years ESO isnt such a massive game to influence the TES series....EP:
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Well the same could be said about Morrowind - a redux on a high-end game engine would as well sell like pretzels - but they did not do this in the last 12 years and are not going to do it ever - this is just not Bethesda's style - they are going for new horizons, just like what they are doing now.
Skyrim is more feasible as it's already been ported in house to the Xbox One and all they would need to do is tack on the PC HD texture pack. To remaster a game from over a decade ago wouldn't be as easy to do nor would it sell as well (Morrowind fans are a dying breed).
I know it's unlikely to happen as it's never been done before but the fact that they've already ported it and Skyrim has sold so well gives me hope it's something they're considering. I would be happy with it being made backwards compatible...I just want to play it again. 0 -
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✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.
The parent company of Bethesda is Zenimax Media inc, not ZOS. Zenimax Media inc also own ID Software and a load of other big publishers/developers, they wouldn't have any specific interest in ZOS. Bethesda own the TES IP but that is the extent of their involvment with ESO, they haven't had to invest any resources into the development of ESO and therefore ESO shouldn't have any impact on the development of TES6.
These guys do business - they have investors - they do not f*ck around, they have to deliver, not games, but return on investment - the whole organisation is involved in this and interconnected. They do not deliver, their investors will not be happy and this means management skulls roll - they do not kill themselves by decisions which do not make investors happy.
My point was they wouldn't just favour a company based on it sharing a name. The comment I replied to said that Zenimax Media inc would squash tes6 because tes6 would destroy eso. Doesn't sound like good reasoning is all.
not destroy it - sure it won't - but it takes away income from ESO for a while - they get more on one leg "Bethesda" and less on the other leg "ZOS" where they are standing on - so the balance of it is - not really a lot more at all - but they had the costs of development and need to cover them - the longer TES6 players do not spend money in ESO, the more loss it is in the end - that is why they do not do that - it would economically be silly.
Look at Final Fantasy. They have a single player games will keep coming out.
They aren't going to stop TES games because of ESO. The majority of Skyrim players are not playing ESO. They will buy TES6. I, like many others, will continue to play ESO, even if I take a break for TES6. I will continue to buy ESO DLC.
That doesn't mean though that there won't be a delay in TES6 in favor of other games. Oblivion came out in 2006. Skyrim in 2011. ESO in 2014 (2015 on console). I don't think they would release TES6 a year after ESO console launch. I would expect that when they scheduled ESO development, they planned a buffer period before TES6. Nevertheless, it would be a horrible business decision to not have a TES6 in the next 2-4 years considering how many units it is guaranteed to sell. You can speculate all you want about cannibalization, but TES single player games are too profitable to abandon them due to worries about losing ESO players.0 -
EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/
Rumor mill brostate. While I hope it is a true rumor we won't know until E3
The release date is a rumor the fact that there will be a TES6 is confirmed.
Where's TES6 confirmed?WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/
Rumor mill brostate. While I hope it is a true rumor we won't know until E3
The release date is a rumor the fact that there will be a TES6 is confirmed.
Where's TES6 confirmed?
I thought I had read that it was confirmed, I guess not. It has been hinted at enough though that I'm not really concerned. It's a matter of when not if.Edited by EnemyOfDaState on March 15, 2016 6:40PM0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.
The parent company of Bethesda is Zenimax Media inc, not ZOS. Zenimax Media inc also own ID Software and a load of other big publishers/developers, they wouldn't have any specific interest in ZOS. Bethesda own the TES IP but that is the extent of their involvment with ESO, they haven't had to invest any resources into the development of ESO and therefore ESO shouldn't have any impact on the development of TES6.
These guys do business - they have investors - they do not f*ck around, they have to deliver, not games, but return on investment - the whole organisation is involved in this and interconnected. They do not deliver, their investors will not be happy and this means management skulls roll - they do not kill themselves by decisions which do not make investors happy.
My point was they wouldn't just favour a company based on it sharing a name. The comment I replied to said that Zenimax Media inc would squash tes6 because tes6 would destroy eso. Doesn't sound like good reasoning is all.
not destroy it - sure it won't - but it takes away income from ESO for a while - they get more on one leg "Bethesda" and less on the other leg "ZOS" where they are standing on - so the balance of it is - not really a lot more at all - but they had the costs of development and need to cover them - the longer TES6 players do not spend money in ESO, the more loss it is in the end - that is why they do not do that - it would economically be silly.
But why do you think Zenimax Media inc would prefer the success of eso to the potential success of tes6? I would imagine tes6 had greater potential to earn than eso. Yeah eso has the whole cash shop thing but tes6 would be much more mainstream and sell multiple times more, with dlc. I'm not an expert on these things, just going on gut feeling so I'm prepared to be wrong.
It cost as well a lot more - and win is basically just shifted from one source of income (ZOS) to another one (Bethesda) - that is not really more win for the whole Zenimax group, if you take it from one source and put it on another - while if Bethesda works on something unrelated, what they currently do, this will be an additional source of income, which can cover the development costs easily (well, if it is successful that is).
Edit: and why would they prefer it - because they have the boots of their investors in their a*se - they have to produce return on investment and ESO was not a small investment - now it has to produce ROI to make the investors happy - it is in its milk cow phase now, they don't shoot their dairy cow when it is in high production.
The fact that they want ESO to make money does not mean that they make more money with ESO and no TES6. Repeating that they have investors does not bridge that gap in the logic.
Will people abandon FFXIV because FFXV is coming out? No, they won't. The same with ESO.
ESO is not like Warcraft. Warcraft 3 was nowhere near as popular as Skyrim or WoW. WoW is also way more popular than ESO. There isn't really the financial incentive for Blizzard to release a Warcraft 4 because it wouldn't be a cash cow the same way TES6 would.
There are far too many Skyrim players with no interest in an MMO or in ESO in particular to not sell a game to them. I also don't see why the people who continue to buy ESO DLC would abandon the game if TES6 came out. It doesn't matter if there is a lull for 3 months as people play TES6. Even if there is a lull, you will see people still doing small things in the game in between TES6 sessions. Then you will see interest in playing TES6 wane and people returning to play ESO DLC.
The reality is that they can't put all their eggs in the ESO basket. They can't guarantee that the game will be a perpetually strong revenue stream down the line. TES6 will provide boatloads of cash.0 -
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✭✭✭I honestly don't know why they won't remaster Skyrim for the current consoles...it can't be that hard to do considering it would basically be the PC version and it would make them millions for a relatively simple project.
Skyrim aside, I'm hopeful that we'll hear something about TES VI at e3. Bethesda will be there again this year and I doubt it's to talk about Fallout 4 DLC and the Thieves Guild DLC.
Maybe because sales were so high that most people have already played it so remastered sales will be weak.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »EnemyOfDaState wrote: »Lol at the people who think Bethesda is done with one of their biggest selling ip's ever because of ESO. We will get TES6 probably in the next 3 years.
Except for Todd Howard being quoted about the IPs they're currently working on are all new IPs (besides Fallout4 DLC)
breathecast.com/articles/elder-scrolls-6-release-date-rumors-news-bethesda-to-announce-game-at-e3-2016-32945/
Could the elder scrolls graphic refer to ESO? It is the same IP.0