[Guide] The Mundus Stone Exploit and how it works

Messy1 · March 2016

That's like saying

filthymushroom · March 2016

Messy1 wrote: »

That's like saying

I agree... It's

wesly.backersb16_ESO · March 2016

Destruent wrote: »

wesly.backersb16_ESO wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Okay here's how the exploit works . . .

Start out in Daggerfall, go to Bad Man's Hollow, kill exactly 2 giant snakes the run through the public dungeon counterclockwise 2.5 times, port out to Rivenspire to the Ravenwatch Castle Wayshrine, use the /kowtow emote and kowtow before the castle exactly 5 times, then back up 10 paces do the Argonian dance then port to Evermore in Bangkorai, get yourself to the Vampire altar and wait til a vampire player shows up, then pay them 5000 gold to bite you, but don't do the quest. Instead run around and collect 10 dwarves ore nodes, go back to Evermore and sell the ore to the Alchemist, then port to Camlorn back in Daggerfall, go through Camlorn and kill every werewolf once, this is assuming you did not complete the quest (if you did the exploit won't work). The port to Auridon and start finding all the mundus stones in the AD the port to Windham and start finding all the mundus stones in the EP. Then port to Coldharbour and /sleep in Cadwells Hovel for 30 mins. Wake up and do 30 jumping Jacks 25 situps and 17 pushups. Okay you're almost there. Next, *** into Cyrodil and achieve Grand Warlord rank . . . Swim to the Imperial city and then visit the areas in this order Arena, Nobles, Elven Gardens, Nobles. Arena, and EP sewer home base . Okay then log out of the game, log back in then activate controller support for PC and press the following up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start. Then you will have all the mundus stones effects simultaneously. . . Oh yeah also have Cadwells silver and gold completed and get all achievements for Craglorn.

On my way!

Pls record a video, i want to have something to laugh

I'll start broadcasting on Twitch TV next Saturday

rfennell_ESO · March 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We still intend on fixing this issue, and posting a guide will not get a fix published any faster (if anything, it'll earn you a short vacation from the forums). There are currently a few fixes for this being tested, and you should expect to see it in an upcoming incremental patch.

How's about when you get around to it you also do a naming and shaming post about it?

Like start off with "streamers" then move on to leaderboard cheats.

Some of us are sick of the constant cheating in this game, particularly when it's self aggrandizing dolts.

Septimus_Magna · March 2016

Post the exploit guide and earn a vacation, looks like a win-win situation to me!

DHale · March 2016

I have add ons that let me see all the Mundus stones an opposing player has as do most oI have one and could care less if they have 2 or 4 or 7. When I kill them in a few seconds it makes me cackle like a teenager. I figure they need to cheat to play or even be competitive even the indestructible you know who is just a baddie when you take away his mitigation.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2016

That moment when you read a post like this...look at the staff comment and you think...

DjSolJAH · March 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We still intend on fixing this issue, and posting a guide will not get a fix published any faster (if anything, it'll earn you a short vacation from the forums). There are currently a few fixes for this being tested, and you should expect to see it in an upcoming incremental patch.

Drishtan · March 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

That moment when you read a post like this...look at the staff comment and you think...

YES!

pmn100b16_ESO · March 2016

Wait, what, this is still a thing? This was reported several months back before I took a break from the game. How about instead of threatening people's forum access you actually fix bugs in a timely manner, like some time in the month they're reported shouldn't be too much to ask. What a disgrace.

Refuse2GrowUp · March 2016

There is a @FENGRUSH video that has been the topic of far too many threads here in the forums, where he is ranting about the problems in the game.

Well, this to me is one of the biggest problems of this game. I cannot think of another MMO or game with competitive leaderboards or competitive PvP that takes this long to patch exploits and does absolutely nothing to punish the egregious users of the exploit.

I came to this game from Diablo 3 on console. D3 on PC has a massive following and extremely competitive leaderboards. Blizzard will patch exploits overnight to protect their leaderboards. And, for the most part, Blizzard is quick with the banhammer. Console D3 was unfortunately not treated with the same due diligence and was over run with exploits and cheats. It completely ruined the console experience. So, I was excited to come to this game...a game with a controlled server. I brought a lot of D3 buddies over because of the opportunity to play a more socially interactive game and to compete fairly.

Well, thus far exploits that I know of include:
* Multi-proccing Camo Hunter to do 10 min vCoA runs or insta wipe entire zergs in PvP
* Double Mundus stone buff without TBS
* Getting both werewolf and Vamp at the same time...back when you didn't have to have a skill slotted for regens
* Multi proc Rearming Trap to easy clear IC dungeons or wipe groups in PvP
* Unlimited stam
* Axeploit
*** Feel I am forgetting a lot, but I am half asleep atm.

Now players can get any and every mundus stone they want. And contrary to @Slaxis 's claim that having multiple mundus stones doesn't give a player much of an advantage, it does. It gives a massive advantage! The Twice Born Star set was the top DPS set for most builds, and still is for some. And TBS has suboptimal 2, 3, and 4 set bonuses. If I can get more crit chance, more crit damage, spell/weapon dmg, more max stats (all three), more regens (all three), plus extra damage mitigation, all while running a high damage set like Julianos, Hundings, Morkuldins, or Spell Power Cure, then my stats are going to FAR exceed anyone's who isn't cheating...especially if I am running all divines.

The advantage this would provide in PvP is unparalleled. Furthermore, it would make it much easier to either beat vMSA, if you were otherwise unable, or get a better score than you otherwise could. And with the most powerful weapons in the game locked behind this content, this is a big foul. Then, of course, there are the weekly and PvP leaderboards, from which the items received either equal a more powerful build or an often substantial profit from a trader sale. Earning Emperor or a weekly via the use of an exploit(s) not only earns the exploiting player something they should not have otherwise received, but it also takes said rewards away from a player who did earn them.

In a game with competitive PvP and competitive leaderboards, the devs MUST take exploits seriously. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the devs do not patch this stuff quicker and why the banhammer isn't brought slamming down (temp bans at least).

FFS, most of the popular streamers are using axeploit in their vMSA clear and in PvP. They claim they are doing so to help get it patched quicker, but the reality is they are using it for an unfair advantage.

This game is very quickly becoming a complete joke in terms of fair competition. It has already driven several of my competitive buddies away from the game and is massively detracting from my experience.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I really hope the ZOS team will finally say enough is enough. Patch this quickly and mass ban anyone with more than two mundus stones (easy algorithm). Players can easily appeal the ban and, on a case-by-case, have the ban lifted with ample supporting cause. Furthermore, roll back players accounts to when they first picked up an extra mundus so that they lose whatever benefits they got from the exploit.

NeilBongStrong · March 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We still intend on fixing this issue, and posting a guide will not get a fix published any faster (if anything, it'll earn you a short vacation from the forums). There are currently a few fixes for this being tested, and you should expect to see it in an upcoming incremental patch.

Sooo. Dark brotherhood.

Maddux · March 2016

NeilBongStrong wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We still intend on fixing this issue, and posting a guide will not get a fix published any faster (if anything, it'll earn you a short vacation from the forums). There are currently a few fixes for this being tested, and you should expect to see it in an upcoming incremental patch.

Sooo. Dark brotherhood.

Thats also something i wanna know. Maybe next Week if they implement the missing Stuff from TG.

lathbury · March 2016

so threaten to ban the whistle blower and not the xploiters hmmm thats an interesting move.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Well, there's reddit as well.

And seriously, this bug gives a really huge advantage both in pvp and leaderbords (where every saved second matters). So it must be fixed asap.

AddictionX · March 2016

I got told in another forum post with a compilation of bugs by the OP not to be a "whistle blower" and refused to explain any said bug because "it was already addressed"

This mentality is very backwards.

Emma_Overload · March 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

There is a @FENGRUSH video that has been the topic of far too many threads here in the forums, where he is ranting about the problems in the game.

Well, this to me is one of the biggest problems of this game. I cannot think of another MMO or game with competitive leaderboards or competitive PvP that takes this long to patch exploits and does absolutely nothing to punish the egregious users of the exploit.

I came to this game from Diablo 3 on console. D3 on PC has a massive following and extremely competitive leaderboards. Blizzard will patch exploits overnight to protect their leaderboards. And, for the most part, Blizzard is quick with the banhammer. Console D3 was unfortunately not treated with the same due diligence and was over run with exploits and cheats. It completely ruined the console experience. So, I was excited to come to this game...a game with a controlled server. I brought a lot of D3 buddies over because of the opportunity to play a more socially interactive game and to compete fairly.

Well, thus far exploits that I know of include:
* Multi-proccing Camo Hunter to do 10 min vCoA runs or insta wipe entire zergs in PvP
* Double Mundus stone buff without TBS
* Getting both werewolf and Vamp at the same time...back when you didn't have to have a skill slotted for regens
* Multi proc Rearming Trap to easy clear IC dungeons or wipe groups in PvP
* Unlimited stam
* Axeploit
*** Feel I am forgetting a lot, but I am half asleep atm.

Now players can get any and every mundus stone they want. And contrary to @Slaxis 's claim that having multiple mundus stones doesn't give a player much of an advantage, it does. It gives a massive advantage! The Twice Born Star set was the top DPS set for most builds, and still is for some. And TBS has suboptimal 2, 3, and 4 set bonuses. If I can get more crit chance, more crit damage, spell/weapon dmg, more max stats (all three), more regens (all three), plus extra damage mitigation, all while running a high damage set like Julianos, Hundings, Morkuldins, or Spell Power Cure, then my stats are going to FAR exceed anyone's who isn't cheating...especially if I am running all divines.

The advantage this would provide in PvP is unparalleled. Furthermore, it would make it much easier to either beat vMSA, if you were otherwise unable, or get a better score than you otherwise could. And with the most powerful weapons in the game locked behind this content, this is a big foul. Then, of course, there are the weekly and PvP leaderboards, from which the items received either equal a more powerful build or an often substantial profit from a trader sale. Earning Emperor or a weekly via the use of an exploit(s) not only earns the exploiting player something they should not have otherwise received, but it also takes said rewards away from a player who did earn them.

In a game with competitive PvP and competitive leaderboards, the devs MUST take exploits seriously. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the devs do not patch this stuff quicker and why the banhammer isn't brought slamming down (temp bans at least).

FFS, most of the popular streamers are using axeploit in their vMSA clear and in PvP. They claim they are doing so to help get it patched quicker, but the reality is they are using it for an unfair advantage.

This game is very quickly becoming a complete joke in terms of fair competition. It has already driven several of my competitive buddies away from the game and is massively detracting from my experience.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I really hope the ZOS team will finally say enough is enough. Patch this quickly and mass ban anyone with more than two mundus stones (easy algorithm). Players can easily appeal the ban and, on a case-by-case, have the ban lifted with ample supporting cause. Furthermore, roll back players accounts to when they first picked up an extra mundus so that they lose whatever benefits they got from the exploit.

I agree with everything you said except the last part about banning. Firstly, if ZOS could design an algorithm to detect multiple mundus stones and ban players, why don't they simply design an algorithm to check for extra mundus stones and REMOVE them? Secondly, my understanding is that players can receive this exploit without even trying, and there's nothing they can do about it once they get it. Banning players under those circumstances would just be wrong.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

There is a @FENGRUSH video that has been the topic of far too many threads here in the forums, where he is ranting about the problems in the game.

Well, this to me is one of the biggest problems of this game. I cannot think of another MMO or game with competitive leaderboards or competitive PvP that takes this long to patch exploits and does absolutely nothing to punish the egregious users of the exploit.

I came to this game from Diablo 3 on console. D3 on PC has a massive following and extremely competitive leaderboards. Blizzard will patch exploits overnight to protect their leaderboards. And, for the most part, Blizzard is quick with the banhammer. Console D3 was unfortunately not treated with the same due diligence and was over run with exploits and cheats. It completely ruined the console experience. So, I was excited to come to this game...a game with a controlled server. I brought a lot of D3 buddies over because of the opportunity to play a more socially interactive game and to compete fairly.

Well, thus far exploits that I know of include:
* Multi-proccing Camo Hunter to do 10 min vCoA runs or insta wipe entire zergs in PvP
* Double Mundus stone buff without TBS
* Getting both werewolf and Vamp at the same time...back when you didn't have to have a skill slotted for regens
* Multi proc Rearming Trap to easy clear IC dungeons or wipe groups in PvP
* Unlimited stam
* Axeploit
*** Feel I am forgetting a lot, but I am half asleep atm.

Now players can get any and every mundus stone they want. And contrary to @Slaxis 's claim that having multiple mundus stones doesn't give a player much of an advantage, it does. It gives a massive advantage! The Twice Born Star set was the top DPS set for most builds, and still is for some. And TBS has suboptimal 2, 3, and 4 set bonuses. If I can get more crit chance, more crit damage, spell/weapon dmg, more max stats (all three), more regens (all three), plus extra damage mitigation, all while running a high damage set like Julianos, Hundings, Morkuldins, or Spell Power Cure, then my stats are going to FAR exceed anyone's who isn't cheating...especially if I am running all divines.

The advantage this would provide in PvP is unparalleled. Furthermore, it would make it much easier to either beat vMSA, if you were otherwise unable, or get a better score than you otherwise could. And with the most powerful weapons in the game locked behind this content, this is a big foul. Then, of course, there are the weekly and PvP leaderboards, from which the items received either equal a more powerful build or an often substantial profit from a trader sale. Earning Emperor or a weekly via the use of an exploit(s) not only earns the exploiting player something they should not have otherwise received, but it also takes said rewards away from a player who did earn them.

In a game with competitive PvP and competitive leaderboards, the devs MUST take exploits seriously. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the devs do not patch this stuff quicker and why the banhammer isn't brought slamming down (temp bans at least).

FFS, most of the popular streamers are using axeploit in their vMSA clear and in PvP. They claim they are doing so to help get it patched quicker, but the reality is they are using it for an unfair advantage.

This game is very quickly becoming a complete joke in terms of fair competition. It has already driven several of my competitive buddies away from the game and is massively detracting from my experience.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I really hope the ZOS team will finally say enough is enough. Patch this quickly and mass ban anyone with more than two mundus stones (easy algorithm). Players can easily appeal the ban and, on a case-by-case, have the ban lifted with ample supporting cause. Furthermore, roll back players accounts to when they first picked up an extra mundus so that they lose whatever benefits they got from the exploit.

I agree with everything you said except the last part about banning. Firstly, if ZOS could design an algorithm to detect multiple mundus stones and ban players, why don't they simply design an algorithm to check for extra mundus stones and REMOVE them? Secondly, my understanding is that players can receive this exploit without even trying, and there's nothing they can do about it once they get it. Banning players under those circumstances would just be wrong.

I agree.
And such alrorithm can be implemented - they somehow removed the extra stones from chars that used twice-born exploit.

Xeven · March 2016

"We do not owe you, our paying customers, a quality game."
"We do not owe you, our paying customers, quality service."
"We do not owe you, our paying customers, reasonable time frames for bug fixes."
"We will however promptly ban your ass for sharing exploits we've known about for a year."'

-ZO$

Maddux · March 2016

AddictionX wrote: »

I got told in another forum post with a compilation of bugs by the OP not to be a "whistle blower" and refused to explain any said bug because "it was already addressed"

This mentality is very backwards.

You should always give the Company a Chance to fix Problems before you make something public. But as we have seen at BMW (and other Manufactorers) Car Hacks and many other Examples, Companys tend to being lazy and dont fix because the Majority dosnt knows about it.
Zenimax was aware of this gamebraking Bug for a very long Time. Idk if they were lazy or just cant find a quick Solution but they had much Time to fix it.

Xjcon · March 2016

None of the guilds I know of capable of getting on the leaderboard top 10 AD NA would stand for anyone in their raid using any exploits. Anyone in those groups found using any sort of exploit would find themselves looking for a new guild.

Mulcibur · March 2016

April 2015 this was reported and we were told it was being actively worked on. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/168172/no-word-on-the-3-mundus-stone-exploit/p1

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

@ZOS_GaryA, @ZOS_GinaBruno,

Is this 3 Mundus stone buff being researched by ZOS?

Since the Twice Born set gives a 2 Mundus stone buff the exploit has to do with that. It could be giving more than 2 buffs with more than 5 items or with items on weapon swaps. Please research this and correct the issue.

Thanks

We are actively investigating this, yes.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Mulcibur wrote: »

April 2015 this was reported and we were told it was being actively worked on. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/168172/no-word-on-the-3-mundus-stone-exploit/p1

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

@ZOS_GaryA, @ZOS_GinaBruno,

Is this 3 Mundus stone buff being researched by ZOS?

Since the Twice Born set gives a 2 Mundus stone buff the exploit has to do with that. It could be giving more than 2 buffs with more than 5 items or with items on weapon swaps. Please research this and correct the issue.

Thanks

We are actively investigating this, yes.

That was another exploit, it was fixed with IC dlc.

Mulcibur · March 2016

April 2015 this was reported and we were told it was being actively worked on. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/168172/no-word-on-the-3-mundus-stone-exploit/p1

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

@ZOS_GaryA, @ZOS_GinaBruno,

Is this 3 Mundus stone buff being researched by ZOS?

Since the Twice Born set gives a 2 Mundus stone buff the exploit has to do with that. It could be giving more than 2 buffs with more than 5 items or with items on weapon swaps. Please research this and correct the issue.

Thanks

We are actively investigating this, yes.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Mulcibur wrote: »

April 2015 this was reported and we were told it was being actively worked on. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/168172/no-word-on-the-3-mundus-stone-exploit/p1

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

@ZOS_GaryA, @ZOS_GinaBruno,

Is this 3 Mundus stone buff being researched by ZOS?

Since the Twice Born set gives a 2 Mundus stone buff the exploit has to do with that. It could be giving more than 2 buffs with more than 5 items or with items on weapon swaps. Please research this and correct the issue.

Thanks

We are actively investigating this, yes.

That was another exploit, it was fixed with IC dlc.

Fair enough

Xeven · March 2016

I don't care how complicated they try to spin the "problem". It is a simple check when you receive a new mundus.

if (mundusCount > 0 || twiceBorn == false)
{
removeAllMundus();
}

It's not rocket surgery, and if it's any more complicated than that, then you seriously need to review your code base.

Refuse2GrowUp · March 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Secondly, my understanding is that players can receive this exploit without even trying, and there's nothing they can do about it once they get it. Banning players under those circumstances would just be wrong.

While I agree that players can get the extra mundus stones without trying, the fact of the matter is that most of them did not do so by accident. As soon as this exploit became known, players rolled new toons to take advantage of it.

An algorithm is simple:
* Does the player in question have more than one toon and are the toons prior to the one(s) using the exploit veteran ranked?

If the answer is yes, chances are they are purposely running the exploit as most experienced players would know something is not right if they got the mundus stones by accident.

Ban lift considerations:
* What mundus stones is the player actually running as an experienced player would likely go straight for the most optimal ones?
* Did the toon with multiple mundus stones acquire them thru regular game play or did the player in question travel to each mundus in sequence and collect them all?
* Did the player with multiple mundus stones report the incident via trouble ticket?

Yes, I agree that players not deserving of the ban should not be banned. However, it is time ZOS make an example and set a precedent. Two algorithms: One to remove all extra mundus buffs, and the second to ban players meeting a criteria that would indicate they likely collected the extra mundus buffs on purpose and thus used the exploit. If I did not whole heartedly believe there were more players with extra mundus buffs that got them accidentally than those who purposely exploited, then I might feel differently, but I do not believe that to be the case.

Didaco · March 2016

Slaxis wrote: »

wesly.backersb16_ESO wrote: »

Slaxis wrote: »

I do have it but only 3 and on one of my alts not my main. And I agree the bug should be removed. But to take away people leader board spot is ridiculous. I know alot of them on all factions and those guys and gals put in work to get there and I can tell you if they have the bug it's not what's the deciding factor for them getting there.

That's like saying: Ben Johnson had Gold on 100m on the Olympics in 1988 and took doping; but hey, he deserved his first place because he worked for it...

No that's saying that some people didn't get it on purpose and how can you determine who did and disnt

Natural selection.

Erock25 · March 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

In a game with competitive PvP and competitive leaderboards, the devs MUST take exploits seriously. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the devs do not patch this stuff quicker

They don't know how to. THey must have lost a lot of people who made the original code because they clearly don't have a clue how to manage it anymore.

Xeven · March 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

In a game with competitive PvP and competitive leaderboards, the devs MUST take exploits seriously. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the devs do not patch this stuff quicker

They don't know how to. THey must have lost a lot of people who made the original code because they clearly don't have a clue how to manage it anymore.

They lost Paul Sage, Maria Aliprando, and Nick Konkle. All of them key players. Now were stuck with Wrobel wearing all the hats, spreading his seed, melting people in Wall Of Elements, building Templar houses, Shield Breaker, and Vicious Death.

Maddux · March 2016

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Maddux wrote: »

@ZOS_KaiSchober
Werden die Ranglisten nach der Beseitigung des Exploits zurückgesetzt oder müssen wir aus Gründen der Fairness vorher einen detailierten Guide zum Exploit veröffentlichen damit jeder die Chance hat mit gleichen Mitteln in der Rangliste gegen die Cheater anzutretten?

Wir werden die Ranglisten erneut zurücksetzen, vielleicht nicht unmittelbar nach dem Fix (da dies ja gerade erst geschehen ist), aber nicht zu lange danach.

Translation:
We will reset the Leaderboards again, maybe not right after the Fix (because we allready resetet them), but not much later.

The Question is now how long we have to wait for the Fix and what Zenimax means with "in an upcoming incremental Patch".