Aeula wrote: »

It's all down to veteran ranks, I had to grind quite a bit on my Templar, doing everything in Cryodiil and even that wasn't enough. In the end Orsinium pushed me that last veteran rank that I needed.

Thankfully Veteran Ranks are going out the window soon (hence why they added Cadwell's silver and gold rewards to keep you doing them), so we'll only have to do one faction to hit max level. Hopefully they nerf world bosses when they do, just in case I ever go back to get zones to grind champion points, they're too hard to solo right now.

My experience was a bit different.

On my Main, I hit mid-VR15 right before I got to Reaper's March for Cadwell's Gold. Reaper's March got me to VR16 with zero problem.

I simply made sure that I not only got the Adventurer achievo for each Zone in each Alliance, but that I also completed every Quest i could find, even ones beyond the necessary minimum for the Adventurer achievo's.

Working on doing it again with my Magicka Templar now. He's one or two Quests away from finishing Stros M'kai, and he just hit VR2. So by my math, he'll be VR16 at about the same rate. Which will be by the time he gets to Reaper's March.

Also, on a side note, the World Bosses are easily solo-able. On my Main Magicka Sorcerer, and now with my Magicka Templar, I've solo'd every single World Boss, Delve, and Public Dungeon I've come across. And unless I made a critical error in judgement, I've not ever died in solo'ing those. None of those need to be toned down, they are just fine as they are, IMO.

The journey is the game.

In most games like this, once I reach max level I just get bored and stop playing. In Skyrim, I became so powerful that I was unkillable even when wearing armor and using weapons that I was completely untrained in. It was at that point that I l realized I had "won" and I just stopped playing. I didn't even finish the main quest.

I've never had to "grind" in ESO. I can't think of anything more tedious or mind-numbing than just killing boars all day. Well, except for all the skill points I'd be missing out on from not doing the quests.

I ground my final toon on the weekend from v11 to V16 in about 4hrs using XP scrolls from my eso plus points. If you've got the whole of Rkindleft to yourself then it's 23 runs around the grind loop per vet level. Always carry a set of armour or two so you don't lose time repairing. It's boring and mind numbing I walked away with one motif lol (belts) and I'm. Never doing it again it made me proper mad but it's there now at max level. It can be done just got to put the hours I not the boring stuff. Busy pvp gives decent xp too.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its insane, i've been playing since august and my highest character is vr12, i know im going slowly, but thats also helped by how slowly it is to get to end game, i just give up for a while and then come back.

Now to do that again with another character? LOL.

whats the point? after v16 it already takes forever to get max gear so whats the point of making leveling so long as well?

The thing this hurts the most is creating alts, i will never do that again with another character and i dont even know how i will get to vr 16 when i just finished cadwells gold.

There are a couple things you can do:
-If you haven't finished any of the DLC (Imperial City, Orsinium, and Thieves Guild*), you can do the mission in them and you will get a lot of experience for them since they are scaled to your level.

*If you're on console, we dont have the TG DLC yet.

OR

-Grinding is also a good way to level FAST. If you play a lot, you can reach VR16 from level 3 in about 9 days pretty smoothly with Rings of Mara/Ambrosia/XP Scrolls. The only set back to this is missing out on Skyshards/Lorebooks/Skill points from quests on the way through a zone.

Places you can grind:
-Wrothgar public dungeons: Rkindaleft + Old Orsinium ~800,000 xp an hour in "perfect conditions"*
-Imperial City Sewers ~1,000,000 xp an hour in perfect conditions (you may not want to do this because of the risk of getting ganked).
-Cracked Wood Cave in Cyrodiil ~650,000-700,000 xp an hour, but chance of getting ganked.

*Perfect conditions means nobody else but maybe one or two people you're in a group with being in the spot and/or not getting ganked by a different faction while grinding.

Those are the BEST spots in my opinion, but there are other spots. YouTube is your friend.

DonoVDV wrote: »

It is painful. But a lot of it should change with Dark Brotherhood DLC next quarter. So perhaps just focus on gaining CP now, and then roll alts once the veteran ranks are removed.

No, it is a problem today, and this problem is here for 2 years already.

The Problem - Eso players wants to be VR16 ASAP.
ZOS solution - Nerf grinding spots.

How about analyzing the reason why people want to be VR16 that badly and start fixing it form there? Here is a hint ZOS:
- All gear you got becomes obsolete as soon as you reach VR16 - and you need to start grinding for VR16 gear all over again.

We just got lucky that they needed to sell new DLCs copies and they added proper battle leveling to the game.

And it is not 100% certain that VR levels will be removed next DLC.

So yeah...easy grinding to you...
And ZOS please...whatever..Zos ain't reading it anyway.

I think leveling is fine. I enjoy the vet zones, mainly because they are quiet and because I enjoy the feeling of progressing my character.

I think it won't be as fun once they remove vet ranks. That progression will be gone.

I think removing vet ranks will result in people leaving the game faster once they realize they have all max characters and nothing left to work on.

Just stay enlightened, kill reasonably tough monsters, chow down on lots of Psijiic Ambrosia, and marry somebody with the Pledge of Mara. You'll be zipping through the levels tout-de-suite and pronto.

I grind after finishing all the quests so I get all the skill points. I also collect all the sky shards. I then use grinding to put 3 or more skills on my bar that I want to level.

Playing since day 1, xbox one = VR5. I like how Veteran rank properly means Veteran. No mad dash to be VR 14, but like completing stages. Still feel like a noob

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I think leveling is fine. I enjoy the vet zones, mainly because they are quiet and because I enjoy the feeling of progressing my character.

I think it won't be as fun once they remove vet ranks. That progression will be gone.

I think removing vet ranks will result in people leaving the game faster once they realize they have all max characters and nothing left to work on.

you realize how long it take to max out your gear and crafting right? cause next to that leveling feels like sneeze.

Leveling to max is not the end, its the beginning which many of us are just trying to reach!!

I leveled crafting as I was leveling my crafter. You don't need to be V16 to start leveling crafting. I would highly recommend starting way before.

My crafter is v16, and is my only v16 so far. He has all crafts at max level and is 3 days away from finishing the last of his researches.

So yes I know exactly how long it takes. If you wait until v16 to start crafting, you're doing it wrong. I have a level 25, a V2 and a V7 that all have blacksmith, wood and cloth at 50 just from deconstruction of drops from the v16. I have 2 others with cloth and blacksmith at max or almost at max, just need to finish wood.

Mady wrote: »

If you're okay with grinding, level 1 to v16 can be done in ~15 hours.

Excuse me? 15 hours from level 1 to VR16? Unless you know of some super secret wormhole to a super secret grind spot with mobs that instantly respawn, I call hogwash.

It's not long took me just over a week to get to V16 on my alt.