Remember when EQ Next was going to kill elder scrolls online?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Wont be happening. Game was cancelled today.

Nestor · March 2016

Interesting. Wonder how far along they were in development and what made them cancel it. Was the existing games they did not feel they could compete with or they did not think the market was there.

Or, it could be the CEO needed more money to buy a longer yacht.

OK, they said it was not fun. How could they not know what was fun or not as they were developing it? Wonder what their definition of fun is?

Tandor · March 2016

I don't remember anyone claiming that about EQN, but they certainly did about Wildstar in respect of which around 70 staff were laid off today for several stated reasons including " the overall performance of WildStar since launch in 2014". Condolences to those laid off.

nimander99 · March 2016

When Georgeson left we all knew that was it for EQN. He was the driving force and dreamer behind pretty much the entire series.

Oliumzen · March 2016

the announced they canceled Fable Legends as well. Was looking forward to that game too....

I've said time and time again though currently the only game i foresee pulling me away from ESO is Zelda U. they better not cancel that!!!

Genomic · March 2016

The MMO Age of the world is ended, and the new age is begun; and it is your task to order its beginning and to preserve what may be preserved. For though much has been saved, much must now pass away; and the power of the MMOs is ended. And all the lands that you see, and those that lie round about them, shall be dwellings of MOBAS. For the time comes of the Dominion of MOBAS, and the MMOs shall fade or depart.... The burden must lie now upon you and your kindred.

nimander99 · March 2016

When I first started playing mmo's in the late 90's everyone in game was learning a new experience together. There was no gold spammer, no account thief's or bots trolling around. It was just a bunch of like minded gamers exploring a new digital frontier with wide open eyes.

Now mmo's are about the newest FOTM builds and how fast I can rush to end game and skip every piece of hard work in the process.

I honestly think the best thing that could happen is for the genre to die a little death, so to speak, so the innovators and dreamers can get back in. Money and massive budgets have done nothing for mmo's except reach a larger audience... and that isn't always a good thing.

Bananko · March 2016

I don't want The Elder Scrolls Online to be canceled. :'(

JD2013 · March 2016

They cancelled Fable Legends and shut Lionhead Studios??

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?!

Tandor · March 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

When Georgeson left we all knew that was it for EQN. He was the driving force and dreamer behind pretty much the entire series.

He didn't join SOE until 2002 when he worked on Planetside, EQ having been launched in 1999. After leaving in 2005 he had nothing to do with the EQ franchise until after he returned in 2010, initially as I recall working on the F2P conversion and then becoming Director of Development for the EQ franchise.

http://www.eqhammer.com/guide/soe-developer-profile-dave-georgeson

Toxic_Hemlock · March 2016

Genomic wrote: »

The MMO Age of the world is ended, and the new age is begun; and it is your task to order its beginning and to preserve what may be preserved. For though much has been saved, much must now pass away; and the power of the MMOs is ended. And all the lands that you see, and those that lie round about them, shall be dwellings of MOBAS. For the time comes of the Dominion of MOBAS, and the MMOs shall fade or depart.... The burden must lie now upon you and your kindred.

I respectfully disagree. I have played MMO's for over 10 years and I have little interest in PvP at all. To me the perfect MMO is always giving you something to look forward too by adding content at a descent pace. No company can keep up with demand though, so it is best to take it slow and enjoy the ride. Although most games do gravitate towards PvP eventually due to not being able to pump out content quick enough for some players, so long as there is a quest driven MMO out there, that is where you will find me.

I have never nor will ever play a MOBA and if this is the future of MMO's I will just go back to single player games.

On topic: EQN sounded good on paper but with all the things they wanted to add they were shooting to high IMO.

charley222 · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Wont be happening. Game was cancelled today.

camelot unchained

Genomic · March 2016

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

The MMO Age of the world is ended, and the new age is begun; and it is your task to order its beginning and to preserve what may be preserved. For though much has been saved, much must now pass away; and the power of the MMOs is ended. And all the lands that you see, and those that lie round about them, shall be dwellings of MOBAS. For the time comes of the Dominion of MOBAS, and the MMOs shall fade or depart.... The burden must lie now upon you and your kindred.

I respectfully disagree. I have played MMO's for over 10 years and I have little interest in PvP at all. To me the perfect MMO is always giving you something to look forward too by adding content at a descent pace. No company can keep up with demand though, so it is best to take it slow and enjoy the ride. Although most games do gravitate towards PvP eventually due to not being able to pump out content quick enough for some players, so long as there is a quest driven MMO out there, that is where you will find me.

I have never nor will ever play a MOBA and if this is the future of MMO's I will just go back to single player games.

On topic: EQN sounded good on paper but with all the things they wanted to add they were shooting to high IMO.

Your personal preference is fine (I hate MOBAs too), but the numbers tell another tale. MOBA player numbers vastly eclipse MMOs.

Stratti · March 2016

Honestly I have been playing mmo since 2004 mostly wow. I love elders scrolls franchise. I have decided to return to this game during the wow content drought and determine which game I will put my effort into. I am an adult with a family with money to spend and someone will get my money.

It seems that now that i ATTEMPT to return i cannot even get past the loading screen. Nor can i get support. Its like the company learnt nothing from that terrible launch.

Acrolas · March 2016

Nestor wrote: »

How could they not know what was fun or not as they were developing it?

0:54-1:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyFSbm79uBY

SmalltalkJava · March 2016

charley222 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Wont be happening. Game was cancelled today.

camelot unchained

Hiero_Glyph · March 2016

EQN was never going to kill ESO; that's what ZOS is going to do.

PlagueMonk · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Wont be happening. Game was cancelled today.

Wait what? I thought they were like about ready to release and everything? They can't sit on EQ and EQ2 which was WHY I thought they were making EQ Next. I just don't get it.

charley222 wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Wont be happening. Game was cancelled today.

camelot unchained

Yep CU is about the only other MMO I'm looking forward to.

Destyran · March 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

They cancelled Fable Legends and shut Lionhead Studios??

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?!

Im in closed beta doesnt seem cancelled yet. I hope they do its atrocious pay 2 win and they have the most expensive "micro" transactions i have ever seen. They need to remove peter from having anything to do with it or just ban unfinshed games being released with original content being sold as dlc

Dahkoht · March 2016

Good. The abomination that EQN was shaping up to be was nothing but using the EQ name to pimp a terrible mish-mash of *** that looked like something out of Disney cartoon gone bad.

And now for something completely different , an actual ad for EQ from 2001

Mojmir · March 2016

The best mmo just needs a graphics overhaul and you guessed it....developers. UO

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

Oliumzen wrote: »

the announced they canceled Fable Legends as well. Was looking forward to that game too....

I've said time and time again though currently the only game i foresee pulling me away from ESO is Zelda U. they better not cancel that!!!

#RIPChickenChaser

Seriously. People can hate on the Fable series all they want. I loved each and every one of them to death. Even the Kinect game (which was pretty fun drunk).

OGLezard · March 2016

Black desert online is a crap ton of fun! Like crazy amounts of fun!

Dabilahro · March 2016

Not surprised honestly. And it's too bad because good MMO's provide competition and that's healthy for the industry. It's actually amazing that ESO is still up and running considering all the failed MMO's of recent years. Zenimax did an amazing job at stepping up their game after the shaky launch, so kudos to them.

People will always claim the next MMO is the "killer" though. Remember the Wildstar hype back when ESO launched? Well, it's F2P now and awfully silent. Black Desert Online? Turns out its just another shiny korean MMO with a P2W cash shop and mindless grinding.

The age of the MMO is just about dead and classic MMO's are more of a niche genre now. Which is why I immensely respect companies like Blizzard, Square Enix and Zenimax for continuing to put out high quality content.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

Dabilahro wrote: »

Not surprised honestly. And it's too bad because good MMO's provide competition and that's healthy for the industry. It's actually amazing that ESO is still up and running considering all the failed MMO's of recent years. Zenimax did an amazing job at stepping up their game after the shaky launch, so kudos to them.

People will always claim the next MMO is the "killer" though. Remember the Wildstar hype back when ESO launched? Well, it's F2P now and awfully silent. Black Desert Online? Turns out its just another shiny korean MMO with a P2W cash shop and mindless grinding.

The age of the MMO is just about dead and classic MMO's are more of a niche genre now. Which is why I immensely respect companies like Blizzard, Square Enix and Zenimax for continuing to put out high quality content.

Despite the setbacks? :P I agree though. I certainly don't think that ESO is going to die anytime soon. Present bugs/issues included.

Lysette · March 2016

Dabilahro wrote: »

Not surprised honestly. And it's too bad because good MMO's provide competition and that's healthy for the industry. It's actually amazing that ESO is still up and running considering all the failed MMO's of recent years. Zenimax did an amazing job at stepping up their game after the shaky launch, so kudos to them.

People will always claim the next MMO is the "killer" though. Remember the Wildstar hype back when ESO launched? Well, it's F2P now and awfully silent. Black Desert Online? Turns out its just another shiny korean MMO with a P2W cash shop and mindless grinding.

The age of the MMO is just about dead and classic MMO's are more of a niche genre now. Which is why I immensely respect companies like Blizzard, Square Enix and Zenimax for continuing to put out high quality content.

mindless grind is what asian folks enjoy, and if it is grinding in a group even more - they are different.