Why nerf cloak AND buff detection skills??? Please just describe the logic behind that
Vorcil
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Please just describe the logic behind debuffing one class and buffing everyone against said classes's class defining skill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07zYvkNYL8
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LBxFinalDeath✭✭✭✭No valid logic will appear in this thread defending the nerf tbh.
Cloak was already without a shadow of a doubt the easiest thing to counter in the entire game with seemingly countless counters already existing.Edited by LBxFinalDeath on March 8, 2016 2:21AM17 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭For the same reason they gave a stronger version of BoL to sorcs and then nerfed the templar version.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on March 8, 2016 2:23AM4 -
Vorcil✭✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »No valid logic will appear in this thread defending the nerf tbh.
Cloak was already without a shadow of a doubt the easiest thing to counter in the entire game with seemingly countless counters already existing.
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Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭Whining works. Guarantee the nerf cloak whining still doesn't stop even after the unnecessary nerfs.8 -
Bofrari✭✭✭What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.8
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Simple it was very strong, the 'nerf' to cloa is generally wasn't exactly a huge nerf, now dots will do 0 dmg to you while your cloaked and you can crit out of it.PS4 EU DC
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Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.
Someone who doesn't understand class design. Every class isn't supposed to be played like a knuckle-dragging dragonknight. I don't understand why people hate on NBs for playing their class well. They'd be stupid to fight other classes the way you think they should. NBs don't have the same survival tools. That's what many people complaining about cloak don't understand. NBs cloak out because they don't have shields, burst heals, and reflect. Why is that so hard to comprehend?23 -
Vorcil✭✭✭✭What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.
Sorcs with infinite shields and teleport out of battle that stuns?
DKs with 99% damage mitigation and reflects?
Templars with instant cast max heals / un c'cable?
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How about to make it even we:
nerf sorc streaks removing the stun; with a shield timeout of 5 seconds
remove the ability to block and heal
then that'd be fair.
These are the class dynamics, it's just because you were all so bad, when all they needed to do was introduce a quest that teaches you how to drink potions or activate magelightEdited by Vorcil on March 8, 2016 2:39AM9 -
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✭Zos have a habit of nerfing things from both ends at the same time. Don't think they do small and incremental.PC | EU3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.
Sorcs with infinite shields and teleport out of battle that stuns?
DKs with 99% damage mitigation and reflects?
Templars with instant cast max heals / un c'cable?
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How about to make it even we:
nerf sorc streaks removing the stun; with a shield timeout of 5 seconds
remove the ability to block and heal
then that'd be fair.
These are the class dynamics, it's just because you were all so bad, when all they needed to do was introduce a quest that teaches you how to drink potions or activate magelight
Streak already got a nerf, it's fine.
Blocks/Heals stop being so salty, now like every class apart from templars you'll have to slot purge to get rid of dots, siege will now hurt you. It's not exactly gamebreaking.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭? What nerfs ? Cloak just doesn't remove DOTs any more and RML and flares got nerfed to only keep players reviled for 3 seconds instead of 5.1 -
Vorcil✭✭✭✭Nerf cloak also includes a speed reduction by 10%
There is a significant different between running speeds now.
Two nerfs to NB cloak and buffs to detection. It's noticeably slower to run as a NB now
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2758832#Comment_2758832
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.
Description of a Sorc. One who shields, bolts away, heals and comes back. I though this topic was about NB's (who's cloak was easy to counter)٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."7 -
DerpyShadowz✭✭✭✭Zos dev was ganked one too many times by a NB on a Monday
Lurking in the shadows.0 -
Saturn✭✭✭✭✭
✭In my opinion and in the opinion of other PvP nightblades I played with this appears to be a buff moreso than a nerf. The previous Dark Cloak now gives damage reduction and the crit cloak now shares the same effect as Dark Cloak, being the fact that YOU TAKE NO DAMAGE FROM DOTS WHEN YOU ARE CLOAKED MAKING IT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS BEFORE THE UPDATE FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN SPAM IT. Why people keep perceiving this as a nerf I do not understand. The detection didn't really get buffed that much and even if you spam your magelight to stop people from stealthing you'll be wasting resources. It is still easy to get away from a fight with cloak and cloak still works fine in fights with other players. It's not like hitting magelight instantly makes all nightblades nearby visible, it is a small radius and at least for magicka toons it is a waste to spend ~2k magicka on it, besides it is much easier to use -insert any aoe here- to remove a cloaked nightblade from said cloak, since most nightblades you encounter in pvp tend to move in a very predictable manner while cloaked. The way I see it, cloak and the changes to detection will rarely change the tide of a battle, if you lose a fight to someone because they decloaked you, then odds are you wouldn't have won it anyway. Cloak/detection isn't everything, unless you really catch someone by surprise, or you know when they are AFK..
If you want to talk about nerf you should focus on the shield sorcs who will now be dying to bleeds every fight. My werewolf will chew on many sorcs. Nom nom nom...Edited by Saturn on March 9, 2016 8:15AM6 -
strikeback1247✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because why simply nerf a skill if you can absolutely destroy it and bury it in the ground?P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!5 -
Duiwel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Too many NB gankers probably so they decided they are fired?
I agree with JDC though, NB's were annoying because if they could not gank and were losing they would run off...
Even with caltrops they could still escape sometimes if they used Mass Hysteria @ the right moment...
The ZoS employee who was ganked theory could actually be very true...
OR it could be videos such as Fengrush trying to kill a NB and he keeps cloaking everytime he is suppose to die, should have died like 6 times in 2 minutes...
You guys should see this the way I am ( my NB is only VR1 right now ) but I am looking forward to is since it breeds new tactics, it makes us think and discover new ways to play the class...
So what if NB won't be gank gods anymore? They will still be demi-gods & that's fine too
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »
Bolt escape is very easy to counter too, it got lots of counters, there's so many gap closers in the game, I suggest you learn to use them. R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
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Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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VincentBlanquin✭✭✭wrobel mastermind logicIrwen Vincinter - Nord - Dragonknight
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AlcastClass Representativethe "adjustment" was necessary. And yes I have a NB and I still basically InstaRIP ppl....Edited by Alcast on March 9, 2016 10:09AMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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VincentBlanquin✭✭✭the "adjustment" was necessary. And yes I have a NB and I still basically InstaRIP ppl....
there will be always overpowered builds in system of this game. zenimax job should be made playable the most builds as they can. but they are doing exactly the oppositeEdited by VincentBlanquin on March 9, 2016 10:56AMIrwen Vincinter - Nord - Dragonknight
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✭I would be great if they just "nerfed" it, but they broke it, as in, if you got DoTed you cant cloak. I dont mind the change, just make it work as intended.0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Could someone provide clarification on a question for me?
Is it possible to still use Cloak-->Concealed Weapon for CC while debuffed, or does the magelight debuff inhibit that?
Am I going to have to swap to Fear for my only viable class CC?"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.
You realize, of course, that a it is the JOB of a stealth nightblade to NOT seek direct confrontation? Honestly, what chance does the average nightblade have against a heavily armored warrior or sorcerer.
Why don't we just make all assassins two-handed heavy armor tanks. They can just walk up to their mark and chop their heads off in front of everybody. No one will bother them about it 'cause that's their job.
What is with you people believing that the only way to play the game is with hand to hand combat, face to face. Some of us aren't testosterone laden fight-club members and don't want to play that way.
Too bad we can't look up our forum ID's in the game (and them be the same) so we can hunt each other for sport too, just 'cause we're annoying.2 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.
Someone who doesn't understand class design. Every class isn't supposed to be played like a knuckle-dragging dragonknight. I don't understand why people hate on NBs for playing their class well. They'd be stupid to fight other classes the way you think they should. NBs don't have the same survival tools. That's what many people complaining about cloak don't understand. NBs cloak out because they don't have shields, burst heals, and reflect. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
Ty so much my friend. You make me cry tears of joy.Xbox One [ NA ]
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭Too many NB gankers probably so they decided they are fired?
I agree with JDC though, NB's were annoying because if they could not gank and were losing they would run off...
Even with caltrops they could still escape sometimes if they used Mass Hysteria @ the right moment...
The ZoS employee who was ganked theory could actually be very true...
OR it could be videos such as Fengrush trying to kill a NB and he keeps cloaking everytime he is suppose to die, should have died like 6 times in 2 minutes...
You guys should see this the way I am ( my NB is only VR1 right now ) but I am looking forward to is since it breeds new tactics, it makes us think and discover new ways to play the class...
So what if NB won't be gank gods anymore? They will still be demi-gods & that's fine too
Lord I can't stand stupid.Xbox One [ NA ]
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Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
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Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.
Someone who doesn't understand class design. Every class isn't supposed to be played like a knuckle-dragging dragonknight. I don't understand why people hate on NBs for playing their class well. They'd be stupid to fight other classes the way you think they should. NBs don't have the same survival tools. That's what many people complaining about cloak don't understand. NBs cloak out because they don't have shields, burst heals, and reflect. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
Wow so true. You nailed it.PS4 Pro NA3
