Anyone else have a problem with the DX11 move?

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

Lol

but seriously... I'm none of those and use steam. Not for ESO though. Or any MMO if I can help it.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

Lol

but seriously... I'm none of those and use steam. Not for ESO though. Or any MMO if I can help it.

Hence why I said MAINLY and not all of them without exception.

CP5 · March 2016

sadownik wrote: »

I understand the need for upgrading the code, but so drastically ditching part of client base should be done properly. We do get spam about another fluff in crown store dont you people think that Z. should use the same way to warn clients that from that patch they need to use Dx11 compatible GPU?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I do think they should keep the old requirements for playing plus upgrading they should not force you to buy a new machine and this is possibly a mistake and maybe the dx11 is the main cause of peoples fps problems. But yeah they need to allow everyone the chance to play not just those that have upgraded machines.

ZOS stated that DX9 was holding the game back from where they wanted to take the game in the future, it was not capable of rendering the graphics they want to bring to the game. So what you're saying is that players shouldn't get improvements and a better gaming experience because we should remain beholden to graphics capability from 14 years ago. I say HECK NO to that idea!

You know what, if ZOS was so confident in DX11 only, why did they remove a poll asking if you could play after the change within minutes of it going up?

That's right, they don't want you to know exactly the damage this has caused. Any argument that is said about dropping DX9 can be said about dropping 32bit client. You're right ZOS saying that DX11 is the way forward for them, now only time will tell if they were right or not. But I would start planning future proofing your machine now just in case there's another major change in 2 years time.

Came to the realization that my system can only go up to 10.1, it's an old system and has many issues so I was going to get a replacement soon enough. But seriously, no email, no pinned thread, no chicken little shouting at everyone until they are driven mad to make sure that everyone knew they were cutting support and haven't provided direction for people to figure out how to check their system. That is garbage.

And the removal of a poll? I was going to make one when I read this post? Is ZOS on that much damage control that they need to hide that? I hope that they know what they asked for, cutting off some of the players they had in order to get the shinies of 11. Whatever reasons they had to do this upgrade, if they won't come out and clearly say "We upgraded the game to DirectX 11 and cut support to earlier versions because of x, y, and z." As well as adding in how many players lost access to the game, seems like a very short sighted move with the position they are in now. It's almost like being told you can get a real shiney ring for your right hand if you cut off your left.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

CP5 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I understand the need for upgrading the code, but so drastically ditching part of client base should be done properly. We do get spam about another fluff in crown store dont you people think that Z. should use the same way to warn clients that from that patch they need to use Dx11 compatible GPU?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I do think they should keep the old requirements for playing plus upgrading they should not force you to buy a new machine and this is possibly a mistake and maybe the dx11 is the main cause of peoples fps problems. But yeah they need to allow everyone the chance to play not just those that have upgraded machines.

ZOS stated that DX9 was holding the game back from where they wanted to take the game in the future, it was not capable of rendering the graphics they want to bring to the game. So what you're saying is that players shouldn't get improvements and a better gaming experience because we should remain beholden to graphics capability from 14 years ago. I say HECK NO to that idea!

You know what, if ZOS was so confident in DX11 only, why did they remove a poll asking if you could play after the change within minutes of it going up?

That's right, they don't want you to know exactly the damage this has caused. Any argument that is said about dropping DX9 can be said about dropping 32bit client. You're right ZOS saying that DX11 is the way forward for them, now only time will tell if they were right or not. But I would start planning future proofing your machine now just in case there's another major change in 2 years time.

Came to the realization that my system can only go up to 10.1, it's an old system and has many issues so I was going to get a replacement soon enough. But seriously, no email, no pinned thread, no chicken little shouting at everyone until they are driven mad to make sure that everyone knew they were cutting support and haven't provided direction for people to figure out how to check their system. That is garbage.

And the removal of a poll? I was going to make one when I read this post? Is ZOS on that much damage control that they need to hide that? I hope that they know what they asked for, cutting off some of the players they had in order to get the shinies of 11. Whatever reasons they had to do this upgrade, if they won't come out and clearly say "We upgraded the game to DirectX 11 and cut support to earlier versions because of x, y, and z." As well as adding in how many players lost access to the game, seems like a very short sighted move with the position they are in now. It's almost like being told you can get a real shiney ring for your right hand if you cut off your left.

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-). It's annoying for sure. And people defending the silence about it are reacting out of the "It's not my problem, so I don't care" and then say why most of us are so silent about it. It's because of threads like this that most of us move on to a new game because we can't speak without having a decent platform to even ATTEMPT to make a compromise.

It's whatever. I'll be out at least two weeks (possibly more) being the fact that the PC I run with has a lot of proprietary issues and I'm now working from the ground up. Hopefully you get things sorted out sooner than that.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO XP is dead and gone and to meet PCI Compliance you must be off of it. MS only supported it long enough to get you to the next system or when other software finally pushed you to it

And your proof that no one in the world is using XP anymore is? That's correct none. I can walk into business, universities, colleges, schools, NHS, government buildings, military establishments, the list is endless of people still using XP. All because Microsoft doesn't support it anymore doesn't mean that people still don't know how to use it, fine tune it, secure it for the needs required. I even have an xp running on virtual pc so I can still play older games because let's face it PC Compatibility is very hit and miss.

Is XP dead for MODERN gaming, yes totally agree.... But Wnidows 7 isn't which was right on the cross over point of DX10 to DX11. And a large portion of the community didn't touch Windows 8 with a barge pole so a fair amount of people are using Win7 (points to note I said fair amount, not all, not everyone, a fair amount).

So next time you have some sweeping statement that's allegedly going to blow me out the water, bring some evidence with you and not hear say. Hell, I even made FakeAlGore look in disbelieve at his own source material. DX8 hey, can't wait to see the next generation of games come from that survey.

In fact, here's a warning for you...

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-dx12-upgrade-ps4-7th-core-usage-performance-improvements/

They are working on DX12, so better get your copy of Win 10 installed.

xellink · March 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO
I take my information form what i leanred in Marketing before i became an IT Professional and Analyst

A typical business hears from 4% of it's dissatisfied customers.

It is 6-7 times more expensive to acquire a new customer than it is to keep a current one.

For every customer who bothers to complain, 26 other customers remain silent.

There are 75 points in total but i only touched on a few

Point 76: The above 75 points only apply IF THERE IS ADEQUATE COMPETITION IN THE MARKET.

sadownik · March 2016

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I understand the need for upgrading the code, but so drastically ditching part of client base should be done properly. We do get spam about another fluff in crown store dont you people think that Z. should use the same way to warn clients that from that patch they need to use Dx11 compatible GPU?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I do think they should keep the old requirements for playing plus upgrading they should not force you to buy a new machine and this is possibly a mistake and maybe the dx11 is the main cause of peoples fps problems. But yeah they need to allow everyone the chance to play not just those that have upgraded machines.

ZOS stated that DX9 was holding the game back from where they wanted to take the game in the future, it was not capable of rendering the graphics they want to bring to the game. So what you're saying is that players shouldn't get improvements and a better gaming experience because we should remain beholden to graphics capability from 14 years ago. I say HECK NO to that idea!

You know what, if ZOS was so confident in DX11 only, why did they remove a poll asking if you could play after the change within minutes of it going up?

That's right, they don't want you to know exactly the damage this has caused. Any argument that is said about dropping DX9 can be said about dropping 32bit client. You're right ZOS saying that DX11 is the way forward for them, now only time will tell if they were right or not. But I would start planning future proofing your machine now just in case there's another major change in 2 years time.

Came to the realization that my system can only go up to 10.1, it's an old system and has many issues so I was going to get a replacement soon enough. But seriously, no email, no pinned thread, no chicken little shouting at everyone until they are driven mad to make sure that everyone knew they were cutting support and haven't provided direction for people to figure out how to check their system. That is garbage.

And the removal of a poll? I was going to make one when I read this post? Is ZOS on that much damage control that they need to hide that? I hope that they know what they asked for, cutting off some of the players they had in order to get the shinies of 11. Whatever reasons they had to do this upgrade, if they won't come out and clearly say "We upgraded the game to DirectX 11 and cut support to earlier versions because of x, y, and z." As well as adding in how many players lost access to the game, seems like a very short sighted move with the position they are in now. It's almost like being told you can get a real shiney ring for your right hand if you cut off your left.

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-). It's annoying for sure. And people defending the silence about it are reacting out of the "It's not my problem, so I don't care" and then say why most of us are so silent about it. It's because of threads like this that most of us move on to a new game because we can't speak without having a decent platform to even ATTEMPT to make a compromise.

It's whatever. I'll be out at least two weeks (possibly more) being the fact that the PC I run with has a lot of proprietary issues and I'm now working from the ground up. Hopefully you get things sorted out sooner than that.

Exactly - the fact that the game will support dx11 doesn't mean it wont support dx10. Please show me year old post stating - we are dropping dx 10 support. And even if there was such a post on forums, Z. can spam my mail with crown store crap but cant send mail with that exact information? Please.

Tandor · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years

!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2016

xellink wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO
I take my information form what i leanred in Marketing before i became an IT Professional and Analyst

A typical business hears from 4% of it's dissatisfied customers.

It is 6-7 times more expensive to acquire a new customer than it is to keep a current one.

For every customer who bothers to complain, 26 other customers remain silent.

There are 75 points in total but i only touched on a few

Point 76: The above 75 points only apply IF THERE IS ADEQUATE COMPETITION IN THE MARKET.

Well...true i guess there is that....

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO XP is dead and gone and to meet PCI Compliance you must be off of it. MS only supported it long enough to get you to the next system or when other software finally pushed you to it

And your proof that no one in the world is using XP anymore is? That's correct none. I can walk into business, universities, colleges, schools, NHS, government buildings, military establishments, the list is endless of people still using XP. All because Microsoft doesn't support it anymore doesn't mean that people still don't know how to use it, fine tune it, secure it for the needs required. I even have an xp running on virtual pc so I can still play older games because let's face it PC Compatibility is very hit and miss.

Is XP dead for MODERN gaming, yes totally agree.... But Wnidows 7 isn't which was right on the cross over point of DX10 to DX11. And a large portion of the community didn't touch Windows 8 with a barge pole so a fair amount of people are using Win7 (points to note I said fair amount, not all, not everyone, a fair amount).

So next time you have some sweeping statement that's allegedly going to blow me out the water, bring some evidence with you and not hear say. Hell, I even made FakeAlGore look in disbelieve at his own source material. DX8 hey, can't wait to see the next generation of games come from that survey.

In fact, here's a warning for you...

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-dx12-upgrade-ps4-7th-core-usage-performance-improvements/

They are working on DX12, so better get your copy of Win 10 installed.

What are you talking about? PCI compliance is a fact of life for companies right now. It's even referred to in laws in some states.

Govt is huge, some school districts are huge, but even they are slowly rolling out new PCs with Win7. I haven't ran into a govt XP machine in a while. My company is huge and we just got done replacing all XP machines last year to be PCI compliant, rolled out W7 same time and are already pushing W10.

What are you talking about with XP? Hold on to it all you want it is still unsecured, and UNSUPPORTED. Browse your Internet's and play your old DX9 games all you want. Modern games move to modern times and ESO only had DX9 because of how long it was in development. I'm glad they planned for the future. Catch up.

xellink · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO XP is dead and gone and to meet PCI Compliance you must be off of it. MS only supported it long enough to get you to the next system or when other software finally pushed you to it

And your proof that no one in the world is using XP anymore is? That's correct none. I can walk into business, universities, colleges, schools, NHS, government buildings, military establishments, the list is endless of people still using XP. All because Microsoft doesn't support it anymore doesn't mean that people still don't know how to use it, fine tune it, secure it for the needs required. I even have an xp running on virtual pc so I can still play older games because let's face it PC Compatibility is very hit and miss.

Is XP dead for MODERN gaming, yes totally agree.... But Wnidows 7 isn't which was right on the cross over point of DX10 to DX11. And a large portion of the community didn't touch Windows 8 with a barge pole so a fair amount of people are using Win7 (points to note I said fair amount, not all, not everyone, a fair amount).

So next time you have some sweeping statement that's allegedly going to blow me out the water, bring some evidence with you and not hear say. Hell, I even made FakeAlGore look in disbelieve at his own source material. DX8 hey, can't wait to see the next generation of games come from that survey.

In fact, here's a warning for you...

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-dx12-upgrade-ps4-7th-core-usage-performance-improvements/

They are working on DX12, so better get your copy of Win 10 installed.

OpenGL on a Mac. Standardised hardware. Standardised drivers.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

sadownik wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I understand the need for upgrading the code, but so drastically ditching part of client base should be done properly. We do get spam about another fluff in crown store dont you people think that Z. should use the same way to warn clients that from that patch they need to use Dx11 compatible GPU?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I do think they should keep the old requirements for playing plus upgrading they should not force you to buy a new machine and this is possibly a mistake and maybe the dx11 is the main cause of peoples fps problems. But yeah they need to allow everyone the chance to play not just those that have upgraded machines.

ZOS stated that DX9 was holding the game back from where they wanted to take the game in the future, it was not capable of rendering the graphics they want to bring to the game. So what you're saying is that players shouldn't get improvements and a better gaming experience because we should remain beholden to graphics capability from 14 years ago. I say HECK NO to that idea!

You know what, if ZOS was so confident in DX11 only, why did they remove a poll asking if you could play after the change within minutes of it going up?

That's right, they don't want you to know exactly the damage this has caused. Any argument that is said about dropping DX9 can be said about dropping 32bit client. You're right ZOS saying that DX11 is the way forward for them, now only time will tell if they were right or not. But I would start planning future proofing your machine now just in case there's another major change in 2 years time.

Came to the realization that my system can only go up to 10.1, it's an old system and has many issues so I was going to get a replacement soon enough. But seriously, no email, no pinned thread, no chicken little shouting at everyone until they are driven mad to make sure that everyone knew they were cutting support and haven't provided direction for people to figure out how to check their system. That is garbage.

And the removal of a poll? I was going to make one when I read this post? Is ZOS on that much damage control that they need to hide that? I hope that they know what they asked for, cutting off some of the players they had in order to get the shinies of 11. Whatever reasons they had to do this upgrade, if they won't come out and clearly say "We upgraded the game to DirectX 11 and cut support to earlier versions because of x, y, and z." As well as adding in how many players lost access to the game, seems like a very short sighted move with the position they are in now. It's almost like being told you can get a real shiney ring for your right hand if you cut off your left.

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-). It's annoying for sure. And people defending the silence about it are reacting out of the "It's not my problem, so I don't care" and then say why most of us are so silent about it. It's because of threads like this that most of us move on to a new game because we can't speak without having a decent platform to even ATTEMPT to make a compromise.

It's whatever. I'll be out at least two weeks (possibly more) being the fact that the PC I run with has a lot of proprietary issues and I'm now working from the ground up. Hopefully you get things sorted out sooner than that.

Exactly - the fact that the game will support dx11 doesn't mean it wont support dx10. Please show me year old post stating - we are dropping dx 10 support. And even if there was such a post on forums, Z. can spam my mail with crown store crap but cant send mail with that exact information? Please.

Pretty much. However the majority of the people who just don't care/isn't their problem won't stick up for us. They also like to link cards way above those looking to stay on a balanced budget. What about running the bare minimum? Looking at an old Radeon HD 5450 1gb, it states that it supports DX11. It should be SOMEWHAT compatible with the game (I don't know because it's been dead for quite some time). I've been going by this link here to see which cards have compatibility and what doesn't so that when my new rig DOES get here, I can get an appropriate card that won't break the bank. Hopefully this will help others search for something at least.

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

Lol I like how his friends using Steam means nothing but yours not using it is somehow supposed to be relevant. Steam has over 100 million active users according to the data they released. They control majority of the PC gaming market your anecdotal evidence doesn't change that.

I do have to agree with this.

Regardless if you bought ESO with Steam or not, if you have a Steam account (not sure if there's a participation in it or not cause I never did) then it's pretty much tallied in. 100 million compared to the people you know... I'd be surprised if you knew a million of those people, let alone 100 million. I'm not in school and I know plenty of 30-40 year olds at my work who use Steam (let's be honest here, they offer more than just games, have you LOOKED at the Software tab?). Heck, I like Steam a lot better than social apps like Facebook or Skype. EnemyOfDaState's right. They control a good majority of the PC gaming market. There's no denying this.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO XP is dead and gone and to meet PCI Compliance you must be off of it. MS only supported it long enough to get you to the next system or when other software finally pushed you to it

And your proof that no one in the world is using XP anymore is? That's correct none. I can walk into business, universities, colleges, schools, NHS, government buildings, military establishments, the list is endless of people still using XP. All because Microsoft doesn't support it anymore doesn't mean that people still don't know how to use it, fine tune it, secure it for the needs required. I even have an xp running on virtual pc so I can still play older games because let's face it PC Compatibility is very hit and miss.

Is XP dead for MODERN gaming, yes totally agree.... But Wnidows 7 isn't which was right on the cross over point of DX10 to DX11. And a large portion of the community didn't touch Windows 8 with a barge pole so a fair amount of people are using Win7 (points to note I said fair amount, not all, not everyone, a fair amount).

So next time you have some sweeping statement that's allegedly going to blow me out the water, bring some evidence with you and not hear say. Hell, I even made FakeAlGore look in disbelieve at his own source material. DX8 hey, can't wait to see the next generation of games come from that survey.

In fact, here's a warning for you...

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-dx12-upgrade-ps4-7th-core-usage-performance-improvements/

They are working on DX12, so better get your copy of Win 10 installed.

What are you talking about? PCI compliance is a fact of life for companies right now. It's even referred to in laws in some states.

Govt is huge, some school districts are huge, but even they are slowly rolling out new PCs with Win7. I haven't ran into a govt XP machine in a while. My company is huge and we just got done replacing all XP machines last year to be PCI compliant, rolled out W7 same time and are already pushing W10.

What are you talking about with XP? Hold on to it all you want it is still unsecured, and UNSUPPORTED. Browse your Internet's and play your old DX9 games all you want. Modern games move to modern times and ESO only had DX9 because of how long it was in development. I'm glad they planned for the future. Catch up.

Wow, the hypocrisy in this post, you gone from XP is dead to XP being phased out by all the establishments that I mentioned, even going as far as your company has finished upgrading from XP last year (which was just over 2 months ago).

And they didn't have DX9 in the game because of length of development, they had it in to get the most people playing the game. You might want to read the following thread...

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,1034123/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-Improved-effects-with-DirectX-11-Exclusive-Tech-Interview/News/

Where else can I respond... Oh, PCI compliance... Because some States (got a specific number or at least a link to one of these laws to look at?) have it referred in their laws, 196 countries (Yes countries, believe it or not the state of Florida does not class as a country) must also refer to PCI compliance in their laws.

Now you seem fixated that I have Win XP. which I added on Virtual PC. Now to run Virtual PC, you need to install it on a machine with an operating system, which for me is Win 10, which runs all my games bar 1 (can you guess what it is?). so errr, maybe you should have asked what os I run first, just a hint.

And finally, unsecured and unsupported. Can't argue with unsupported... But you really have no idea what you are talking about here do you. I'll give you a bit of an education, there's a reason why MS os pcs were being attacked more then Apple products during the 80s and 90s, it's called market share, MS had the lion's portion of it. And the cyber criminals always go for the lion's portion (more chance of succeeding). Now much of the PC world runs XP now? Not much so not really in the cross hairs of cyber criminals any more. In fact you might want to go to a Def-Con convention to find out just how safe XP is to what is currently on the market.

Well, that's put more holes in your post then a tetley's t-bag. Have a nice day

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

@stewart.leslie76b16_ESO XP is dead and gone and to meet PCI Compliance you must be off of it. MS only supported it long enough to get you to the next system or when other software finally pushed you to it

And your proof that no one in the world is using XP anymore is? That's correct none. I can walk into business, universities, colleges, schools, NHS, government buildings, military establishments, the list is endless of people still using XP. All because Microsoft doesn't support it anymore doesn't mean that people still don't know how to use it, fine tune it, secure it for the needs required. I even have an xp running on virtual pc so I can still play older games because let's face it PC Compatibility is very hit and miss.

Is XP dead for MODERN gaming, yes totally agree.... But Wnidows 7 isn't which was right on the cross over point of DX10 to DX11. And a large portion of the community didn't touch Windows 8 with a barge pole so a fair amount of people are using Win7 (points to note I said fair amount, not all, not everyone, a fair amount).

So next time you have some sweeping statement that's allegedly going to blow me out the water, bring some evidence with you and not hear say. Hell, I even made FakeAlGore look in disbelieve at his own source material. DX8 hey, can't wait to see the next generation of games come from that survey.

In fact, here's a warning for you...

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-dx12-upgrade-ps4-7th-core-usage-performance-improvements/

They are working on DX12, so better get your copy of Win 10 installed.

What are you talking about? PCI compliance is a fact of life for companies right now. It's even referred to in laws in some states.

Govt is huge, some school districts are huge, but even they are slowly rolling out new PCs with Win7. I haven't ran into a govt XP machine in a while. My company is huge and we just got done replacing all XP machines last year to be PCI compliant, rolled out W7 same time and are already pushing W10.

What are you talking about with XP? Hold on to it all you want it is still unsecured, and UNSUPPORTED. Browse your Internet's and play your old DX9 games all you want. Modern games move to modern times and ESO only had DX9 because of how long it was in development. I'm glad they planned for the future. Catch up.

Wow, the hypocrisy in this post, you gone from XP is dead to XP being phased out by all the establishments that I mentioned, even going as far as your company has finished upgrading from XP last year (which was just over 2 months ago).

And they didn't have DX9 in the game because of length of development, they had it in to get the most people playing the game. You might want to read the following thread...

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,1034123/The-Elder-Scrolls-Online-Improved-effects-with-DirectX-11-Exclusive-Tech-Interview/News/

Where else can I respond... Oh, PCI compliance... Because some States (got a specific number or at least a link to one of these laws to look at?) have it referred in their laws, 196 countries (Yes countries, believe it or not the state of Florida does not class as a country) must also refer to PCI compliance in their laws.

Now you seem fixated that I have Win XP. which I added on Virtual PC. Now to run Virtual PC, you need to install it on a machine with an operating system, which for me is Win 10, which runs all my games bar 1 (can you guess what it is?). so errr, maybe you should have asked what os I run first, just a hint.

And finally, unsecured and unsupported. Can't argue with unsupported... But you really have no idea what you are talking about here do you. I'll give you a bit of an education, there's a reason why MS os pcs were being attacked more then Apple products during the 80s and 90s, it's called market share, MS had the lion's portion of it. And the cyber criminals always go for the lion's portion (more chance of succeeding). Now much of the PC world runs XP now? Not much so not really in the cross hairs of cyber criminals any more. In fact you might want to go to a Def-Con convention to find out just how safe XP is to what is currently on the market.

Well, that's put more holes in your post then a tetley's t-bag. Have a nice day

You're not doing anything other than justifying your inability to maintain one PC to companies that have 50,000-100,00 PCs and more and we won't talk about mobility, registers, etc.

PC lifecycle has been a thing as far as I can remember which I had my first PC in 2000. I bought a cheap GPU, had to upgrade it when Morrowind released. And many more times. I'm merely referring to how dated XP is in relations to the DX9 support.

DX9 is no longer supported by MS. Such as XP. It's one of the ways they move you to the next OS. It's a reason why OpenGL was created. People are tired of having to upgrade OS just to play a newer game. But unfortunately you're not seeing the correlation and just want something to last forever.

ESO started development in 2007. DX9 came out in 2002. That's five years to adopt DX9 and XP was the first OS with an improved visual GUI...XP was adopted fast.

DX11 was announced in 2008 released 2009. Works on vista, w7 and w8. 6 years to adopt it.

dimensional · March 2016

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

dimensional wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

But they 'warned' us a 'year' ago by 'updating the system requirements'! All laced sarcasm aside, they didn't even announce it. Not everyone looks at the system requirements daily (most, when they start playing a game, they tend to not revisit a page like that). Not everyone reads the forums daily (I sure as hell don't). Not everyone watches ESO live (most of us have jobs, some of us have -two-).)

Yes, not everyone is an informed consumer, we know this because of the massive amount of whining on display.

I'm simply stating that ZOS needs to get better at being transparent about initial plans. All the 'whining' could have been avoided had they done this through several methods, including stickies with a bit more planning. When I started, it was still labeled as DX9 compliant. Never noticed the change up until it hit the PTS. I -thought- I was going to make it, however I didn't. I'm not whining about it, rather I've taken necessary steps to avoid this in the possible future and, albeit bitterly, made the suggestion on that transparency with this move was tacky. My concern IS that transparency being that we pay for various things playing this game and it'd be nice if they made that extra effort.

dimensional · March 2016

They've been very transparent about their plans to move to DX11. The criticism you're looking for is that they haven't been very pro-active in getting the message out as often as you'd have liked.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

dimensional wrote: »

They've been very transparent about their plans to move to DX11. The criticism you're looking for is that they haven't been very pro-active in getting the message out as often as you'd have liked.

Can you show us exactly where they've been transparent about this (burden of proof is on you)? Cause I'm not seeing any stickies in regards to this other than what JUST went up in the last 48-72 hours other than the patch notes.

The system requirements were edited in October of last year before it was updated again yesterday.
I've literally seen no thread since I've been on the forums in regards to DX11 up until the PTS natch potes hit the forums. That's not plenty of time for some people.

My criticisms are fair. The lack of communication from ZOS (and I understand that Gina is one person) is concerning. If you're saying that it's not, especially with something like this (EULA/TOS says things are subjected to change at any time, however it's not business savvy to do so), then perhaps we're playing different games.

dimensional · March 2016

Transparency means they have stated their intentions and have not obfuscated them. Which is entirely true, they've announced last year they were moving to DX11. That is the definition of transparency.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

dimensional wrote: »

Transparency means they have stated their intentions and have not obfuscated them. Which is entirely true, they've announced last year they were moving to DX11. That is the definition of transparency.

Still waiting on that link.

dimensional · March 2016

Still not caring. Look around in this thread, there's 50 other people who are saying the same thing I am because it is a thing that happened and we all remember it. I'm not about to sit here and do google-fu for 30 minutes while I'm enjoying my morning just to placate you. But by all means, single out my specific post and ignore the mass amounts of other people who are also telling you that they announced this last year.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

dimensional wrote: »

Still not caring. Look around in this thread, there's 50 other people who are saying the same thing I am because it is a thing that happened and we all remember it. I'm not about to sit here and do google-fu for 30 minutes while I'm enjoying my morning just to placate you. But by all means, single out my specific post and ignore the mass amounts of other people who are also telling you that they announced this last year.

So you can't produce a link? Got it. I'll agree to disagree with you then. And I didn't single you out. You after all DID quote one of my posts. Not everyone is looking at you. I could honestly care less if you cared or not. Asking for more transparency is not out of the question. So unless you have some kind of constructive notion to enlighten us with, I'm just not going to engage with you henceforth. Sound like a plan?

dimensional · March 2016

You sound like a climate change denier, who, in the face of the entire global community pointing out an incredibly obvious and true scenario, decides to point his finger at a lone figure calling him out on his absurdities and says "You there, you personally must prove this to me or it means that it doesn't exist!" Read this thread that you're posting in and see the vast amount of people who contradict you and individually tell them that they are all wrong.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

dimensional wrote: »

You sound like a climate change denier, who, in the face of the entire global community pointing out an incredibly obvious and true scenario, decides to point his finger at a lone figure calling him out on his absurdities and says "You there, you personally must prove this to me or it means that it doesn't exist!"

Oh no. Hardly. I fully well support (accept) climate change. That has nothing to do with ZOS being transparent on angles they're working forward to.

Am I mad that this happened? NO. Of course not. I understand that times change and games change and evolve at a rapid pace. That's not the issue. A reminder at the start of the season WOULD have been nice to get though. If that upsets you too much that I'm asking for that, then that's your problem. Not mine. Calm down, brah.

FleetwoodSmack · March 2016

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

You sound like a climate change denier, who, in the face of the entire global community pointing out an incredibly obvious and true scenario, decides to point his finger at a lone figure calling him out on his absurdities and says "You there, you personally must prove this to me or it means that it doesn't exist!"

Oh no. Hardly. I fully well support climate change. That has nothing to do with ZOS being transparent on angles they're working forward to.

Am I mad that this happened? NO. Of course not. I understand that times change and games change and evolve at a rapid pace. That's not the issue. A reminder at the start of the season WOULD have been nice to get though. If that upsets you too much that I'm asking for that, then that's your problem. Not mine. Calm down, brah.

Edit: And for the record, I'm not a he. I'm a she.

dimensional · March 2016

I'm perfectly calm, I'm just tired of pointing out to you that ZOS has been dictionary definition "transparent" with their intents on moving to DX11, which they have stated last year. You keep telling me to prove to you that they said this, and I have no desire of googling around until I find the exact reference. I was trying to point out that many, many other people are saying the same exact thing, which sort of proves in an indirect way they we are all referencing the same event, it happened.

My initial response to you was that your criticism is misplaced. They have been transparent. They have not been pro-active.

Tandor · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think you are overestimating how many PC users use steam. I never have. Noone I know uses steam or origin etc. We spend a LOT of money too being older gentlemen with disposable income. My opinion steam is mainly kids and guys under 25.

To be honest, I think that's an out-of-date view. Steam is now very much the platform of choice for very many gamers, it creates a simple means of installing, updating, accessing and removing games as well as having its own discussion boards and providing easy communications between friends regardless of what they're doing or playing. I don't use it socially but I do use it as my platform of choice for any new games (but didn't switch ESO to it as the terms weren't favourable if you already had the game when it launched on Steam).

And no, I don't fit your suggested demographic - by a good 40 years !

I know literally 100s of gamers. I know noone who uses steam. So I know you assume because you and your buddies at school use it that everyone does. That is not the case tho.

I tell you I'm outside your "kids and guys under 25" demographic by a good 40 years and you refer to "me and my buddies at school"? I'm not that slow a learner, I left school in 1969

! I also know plenty who use Steam and none who do not. The fact that you know "literally 100s of gamers" who don't use Steam clearly leads you to assume that therefore no-one much does. The fact is that although we can all agree that very few ESO players use Steam, there are 3.004 players doing so at this minute (with another 27,959 playing Skyrim through Steam). In total, there are currently 10,370,943 gamers logged into Steam. It's hugely popular with gamers of all ages, principally PC gamers, with an estimated 75% of digital game downloads and 15% of all PC game sales being handled through Steam.