Why nerf cloak AND buff detection skills??? Please just describe the logic behind that

Vorcil · March 2016

Please just describe the logic behind debuffing one class and buffing everyone against said classes's class defining skill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07zYvkNYL8

LBxFinalDeath · March 2016

No valid logic will appear in this thread defending the nerf tbh.

Cloak was already without a shadow of a doubt the easiest thing to counter in the entire game with seemingly countless counters already existing.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2016

For the same reason they gave a stronger version of BoL to sorcs and then nerfed the templar version.

Vorcil · March 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

No valid logic will appear in this thread defending the nerf tbh.

Cloak was already without a shadow of a doubt the easiest thing to counter in the entire game with seemingly countless counters already existing.

I saw what you did there

Junkogen · March 2016

Whining works. Guarantee the nerf cloak whining still doesn't stop even after the unnecessary nerfs.

Bofrari · March 2016

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Simple it was very strong, the 'nerf' to cloa is generally wasn't exactly a huge nerf, now dots will do 0 dmg to you while your cloaked and you can crit out of it.

Junkogen · March 2016

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

Someone who doesn't understand class design. Every class isn't supposed to be played like a knuckle-dragging dragonknight. I don't understand why people hate on NBs for playing their class well. They'd be stupid to fight other classes the way you think they should. NBs don't have the same survival tools. That's what many people complaining about cloak don't understand. NBs cloak out because they don't have shields, burst heals, and reflect. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Vorcil · March 2016

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

Sorcs with infinite shields and teleport out of battle that stuns?
DKs with 99% damage mitigation and reflects?
Templars with instant cast max heals / un c'cable?

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How about to make it even we:
nerf sorc streaks removing the stun; with a shield timeout of 5 seconds
remove the ability to block and heal

then that'd be fair.

These are the class dynamics, it's just because you were all so bad, when all they needed to do was introduce a quest that teaches you how to drink potions or activate magelight

Jaronking · March 2016

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

No we are just going to use our 100% crit ability to just One shoot you or full our health back up with a crit vigor heal.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

Zos have a habit of nerfing things from both ends at the same time. Don't think they do small and incremental.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Vorcil wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

Sorcs with infinite shields and teleport out of battle that stuns?
DKs with 99% damage mitigation and reflects?
Templars with instant cast max heals / un c'cable?

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How about to make it even we:
nerf sorc streaks removing the stun; with a shield timeout of 5 seconds
remove the ability to block and heal

then that'd be fair.

These are the class dynamics, it's just because you were all so bad, when all they needed to do was introduce a quest that teaches you how to drink potions or activate magelight

Streak already got a nerf, it's fine.

Blocks/Heals stop being so salty, now like every class apart from templars you'll have to slot purge to get rid of dots, siege will now hurt you. It's not exactly gamebreaking.

Forestd16b14_ESO · March 2016

? What nerfs ? Cloak just doesn't remove DOTs any more and RML and flares got nerfed to only keep players reviled for 3 seconds instead of 5.

Vorcil · March 2016

Nerf cloak also includes a speed reduction by 10%

There is a significant different between running speeds now.

Two nerfs to NB cloak and buffs to detection. It's noticeably slower to run as a NB now

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2758832#Comment_2758832

Hating ZOS right now.

R0M2K · March 2016

Cloak should be reverted to its previous state, now just sucks.

Master_Kas · March 2016

R0M2K wrote: »

Cloak should be reverted to its previous state, now just sucks.

Just what the other classes wanted

Btw ZOS GJ on breaking clouding swarm aswell (a delay before you go invis even without magelight/pots) and my reward mails.

Knootewoot · March 2016

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

Description of a Sorc. One who shields, bolts away, heals and comes back. I though this topic was about NB's (who's cloak was easy to counter)

DerpyShadowz · March 2016

Zos dev was ganked one too many times by a NB on a Monday

Saturn · March 2016

In my opinion and in the opinion of other PvP nightblades I played with this appears to be a buff moreso than a nerf. The previous Dark Cloak now gives damage reduction and the crit cloak now shares the same effect as Dark Cloak, being the fact that YOU TAKE NO DAMAGE FROM DOTS WHEN YOU ARE CLOAKED MAKING IT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS BEFORE THE UPDATE FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN SPAM IT. Why people keep perceiving this as a nerf I do not understand. The detection didn't really get buffed that much and even if you spam your magelight to stop people from stealthing you'll be wasting resources. It is still easy to get away from a fight with cloak and cloak still works fine in fights with other players. It's not like hitting magelight instantly makes all nightblades nearby visible, it is a small radius and at least for magicka toons it is a waste to spend ~2k magicka on it, besides it is much easier to use -insert any aoe here- to remove a cloaked nightblade from said cloak, since most nightblades you encounter in pvp tend to move in a very predictable manner while cloaked. The way I see it, cloak and the changes to detection will rarely change the tide of a battle, if you lose a fight to someone because they decloaked you, then odds are you wouldn't have won it anyway. Cloak/detection isn't everything, unless you really catch someone by surprise, or you know when they are AFK..

If you want to talk about nerf you should focus on the shield sorcs who will now be dying to bleeds every fight. My werewolf will chew on many sorcs. Nom nom nom...

strikeback1247 · March 2016

Because why simply nerf a skill if you can absolutely destroy it and bury it in the ground?

Duiwel · March 2016

Too many NB gankers probably so they decided they are fired?

I agree with JDC though, NB's were annoying because if they could not gank and were losing they would run off...

Even with caltrops they could still escape sometimes if they used Mass Hysteria @ the right moment...

The ZoS employee who was ganked theory could actually be very true...

OR it could be videos such as Fengrush trying to kill a NB and he keeps cloaking everytime he is suppose to die, should have died like 6 times in 2 minutes...

You guys should see this the way I am ( my NB is only VR1 right now ) but I am looking forward to is since it breeds new tactics, it makes us think and discover new ways to play the class...

So what if NB won't be gank gods anymore? They will still be demi-gods & that's fine too

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · March 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

Description of a Sorc. One who shields, bolts away, heals and comes back. I though this topic was about NB's (who's cloak was easy to counter)

Bolt escape is very easy to counter too, it got lots of counters, there's so many gap closers in the game, I suggest you learn to use them.

VincentBlanquin · March 2016

wrobel mastermind logic

Alcast · March 2016

the "adjustment" was necessary. And yes I have a NB and I still basically InstaRIP ppl....

VincentBlanquin · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

the "adjustment" was necessary. And yes I have a NB and I still basically InstaRIP ppl....

there will be always overpowered builds in system of this game. zenimax job should be made playable the most builds as they can. but they are doing exactly the opposite

ku5h · March 2016

I would be great if they just "nerfed" it, but they broke it, as in, if you got DoTed you cant cloak. I dont mind the change, just make it work as intended.

Samadhi · March 2016

Could someone provide clarification on a question for me?

Is it possible to still use Cloak-->Concealed Weapon for CC while debuffed, or does the magelight debuff inhibit that?

Am I going to have to swap to Fear for my only viable class CC?

DenMoria · March 2016

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

You realize, of course, that a it is the JOB of a stealth nightblade to NOT seek direct confrontation? Honestly, what chance does the average nightblade have against a heavily armored warrior or sorcerer.

Why don't we just make all assassins two-handed heavy armor tanks. They can just walk up to their mark and chop their heads off in front of everybody. No one will bother them about it 'cause that's their job.

What is with you people believing that the only way to play the game is with hand to hand combat, face to face. Some of us aren't testosterone laden fight-club members and don't want to play that way.

Too bad we can't look up our forum ID's in the game (and them be the same) so we can hunt each other for sport too, just 'cause we're annoying.

EsoRecon · March 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

Someone who doesn't understand class design. Every class isn't supposed to be played like a knuckle-dragging dragonknight. I don't understand why people hate on NBs for playing their class well. They'd be stupid to fight other classes the way you think they should. NBs don't have the same survival tools. That's what many people complaining about cloak don't understand. NBs cloak out because they don't have shields, burst heals, and reflect. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Ty so much my friend. You make me cry tears of joy.

EsoRecon · March 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

Too many NB gankers probably so they decided they are fired?

I agree with JDC though, NB's were annoying because if they could not gank and were losing they would run off...

Even with caltrops they could still escape sometimes if they used Mass Hysteria @ the right moment...

The ZoS employee who was ganked theory could actually be very true...

OR it could be videos such as Fengrush trying to kill a NB and he keeps cloaking everytime he is suppose to die, should have died like 6 times in 2 minutes...

You guys should see this the way I am ( my NB is only VR1 right now ) but I am looking forward to is since it breeds new tactics, it makes us think and discover new ways to play the class...

So what if NB won't be gank gods anymore? They will still be demi-gods & that's fine too

Lord I can't stand stupid.

Tholian1 · March 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

What's wrong big guy can't run away anymore when your in trouble or reset the fight because your loosing that's a damn shame.

Someone who doesn't understand class design. Every class isn't supposed to be played like a knuckle-dragging dragonknight. I don't understand why people hate on NBs for playing their class well. They'd be stupid to fight other classes the way you think they should. NBs don't have the same survival tools. That's what many people complaining about cloak don't understand. NBs cloak out because they don't have shields, burst heals, and reflect. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Wow so true. You nailed it.