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WHEN WILL TEMPLARS GET MAJOR BRUTALITY?!!?
TheM0rganism
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Title.
We're the only one of the four classes without an ability granting us this incredibly important buff. I don't see why Binding Javelin shouldn't grant us the Big Brut considering it's terrible damage-to-cost ratio.
Is it in the plans? Are we just going to be kicked down the road alongside the rest of the stamina builds? Have I missed some insightful ZOS comment on this matter?
inb4 "MUH HOMOGENIZATION"
We're the only one of the four classes without an ability granting us this incredibly important buff. I don't see why Binding Javelin shouldn't grant us the Big Brut considering it's terrible damage-to-cost ratio.
Is it in the plans? Are we just going to be kicked down the road alongside the rest of the stamina builds? Have I missed some insightful ZOS comment on this matter?
inb4 "MUH HOMOGENIZATION"
PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't templars have a passive that increases 6% weapon dmg and gives a extra 10% dmg to any crit strike?Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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TheM0rganism✭✭✭Don't templars have a passive that increases 6% weapon dmg and gives a extra 10% dmg to any crit strike?
Actually it's two separate passives to get those effects. And having both of them is still woefully under-powered compared to Major Brutality.
Not to mention, all three of the other classes Brutality's are combined with some other incredible benefit, like health or Ult regen.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Only DKs and sorc have major brutality. and the rest can get it from 2H and DW (which is the weapons you have to use that MB buff)
I don't see the point, do you want a templar archer or S/B?
The 6% extra dmg is quite strong for a passive. Combine it with empower (might of the guild/dark flare) to get super strong snipes/WBs. You can slot flawless dawnbreaker for an even higher base wpn dmg
Like playing:
2H
Rally
crit rush
executioner
WB
entropy/dark flare
U FD
I don't see any other class who coud reach a higher wpn dmgSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique2 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
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TheM0rganism✭✭✭Only DKs and sorc have major brutality. and the rest can get it from 2H and DW (which is the weapons you have to use that MB buff)
I don't see the point, do you want a templar archer or S/B?
The 6% extra dmg is quite strong for a passive. Combine it with empower (might of the guild/dark flare) to get super strong snipes/WBs. You can slot flawless dawnbreaker for an even higher base wpn dmg
Like playing:
2H
Rally
crit rush
executioner
WB
entropy/dark flare
U FD
I don't see any other class who coud reach a higher wpn dmg
1) Drain Power; EVERYONE except Templars.
2) Mixing Magika-based abilities for Empower to buff a Stamina-based move is counter intuitive and (afaik) always a net DPS loss.
3) And yes; I want to be able to build bow/S&B just like everyone else.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
And with the 6% passive is quite a strong Rally
let me count
12% for medium armor
6% for the passive
20% for rally
8% for FD
56% extra dmg... and we are not even mentioning the set to use (Hunding's rage?), neither the mundus stoneSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique2 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 5:55PMThe Age of Wrobel.3 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
And with the 6% passive is quite a strong Rally
let me count
12% for medium armor
6% for the passive
20% for rally
8% for FD
56% extra dmg... and we are not even mentioning the set to use (Hunding's rage?), neither the mundus stone
With the exception of the 5% passive, any class can run that without being forced into 2-hander. Now add into that equation the fact that Stamplars lack the mobility, resource regen, healing, and viable Ultimates like the other three classes. 5% WD does not even come close to compensating for those drop-offs.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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mike.eso✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.
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Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.0 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smhPS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 6:07PMThe Age of Wrobel.4 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?2 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
That would explain all the Stamplars in Trials, PvP, and vMA at the top of the leaderboards. Oh wait...
You can cherry pick the half dozen min/maxers with 501 CP that run great stam builds, but nothing changes the fact that it's the most under utilized class in the game for numerous, aforementioned reasons.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 6:26PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Don't templars have a passive that increases 6% weapon dmg and gives a extra 10% dmg to any crit strike?
Those #'s are easily beaten by a Sorcerer, particularly if they get a stamina attack/execute like they've been pushing for for a while. That being said I would personally rather a debuff on the javelin. On the issue of Sorcerers I feel they should rethink that passive so that they will be more free to give Sorcs a Stamina Morph for an attack. I personally like the idea of a Bound Weapon (Which could be a great alternative to pets?).
At any regard I think a debuff suits the Templar style a lot better and would serve to make the Javelin a more interesting skill than it is now. The big problem with the Javelin is that it offers very little other than a brief knockback for a very high cost. Other classes get an eons-long duration hold for less. Probably one of the greatest weaknesses of the class is its terrible CC.Edited by dodgehopper_ESO on March 8, 2016 6:32PMUS/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
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✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you (Not asking you too, I'm asking you to back up your claim. Which you cannot because it was a false claim.) , if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that. (No it won't, however it would open additional options for builds.)
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With a handful of players who know what they were are actually doing.
Resorting to insults instead of facts weakens your argument. Basic Debate 101.
It doesn't matter what your class is? Passives don't matter? Active skills don't matter? Are you high?
You made the assertion Templar's before TG were good. To be good objectively they must be better than at least 1 class. They weren't and Major Mending barely puts them on par with Stamina Sorc now, possibly slightly ahead. NB and DK are still the best stamina builds. You do realize without major mending Stamplar lost their only class defensive strength, heals, right? Before TG there was no reason to pick Stamina Templar at all. Biting Jabs and 6% WD was not enough.Edited by AfkNinja on March 8, 2016 6:33PM1 -
ClockworkArc✭✭✭Guys, Stamplars are going to be beasts this patch. We dont even need major brutality. Just party with a stam dk or use 2hand or dual wild or drink a potion.
I rather we didnt get major brut and kept the most op source of major mending ever.0 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you (Not asking you too, I'm asking you to back up your claim. Which you cannot because it was a false claim.) , if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that. (No it won't, however it would open additional options for builds.)
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With a handful of players who know what they were are actually doing.
Resorting to insults instead of facts weakens your argument. Basic Debate 101.
It doesn't matter what your class is? Passives don't matter? Active skills don't matter? Are you high?
You made the assertion Templar's before TG were good. To be good objectively they must be better than at least 1 class. They weren't and Major Mending barely puts them on par with Stamina Sorc now, possibly slightly ahead. NB and DK are still the best stamina builds. You do realize without major mending Stamplar lost their only class defensive strength, heals, right? Before TG there was no reason to pick Stamina Templar at all. Biting Jabs and 6% WD was not enough.
I never said passives don't matter, actually I said the opposite if you paid attention. What I did say was all classes use rally for the same reasons, all classes use bow for the same reasons. Class based major brutality doesn't change the fact that 99% of stamblades still use rally the same way a stamplar will. Each class has its own strengths, stamplar has its own.
I don't think anyone will disagree that classes like NB and DK perform better with stamina in several aspects (unrelated directly to even stamina). But to act like stamplar wasn't also very good in its own right is silly. Before TG Templar could cleanse spam its way out of virtually anything, very difficult to lock down a good stamplar.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 6:50PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.1 -
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✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.Edited by OdinForge on March 8, 2016 6:44PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
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✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you (Not asking you too, I'm asking you to back up your claim. Which you cannot because it was a false claim.) , if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that. (No it won't, however it would open additional options for builds.)
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With a handful of players who know what they were are actually doing.
Resorting to insults instead of facts weakens your argument. Basic Debate 101.
It doesn't matter what your class is? Passives don't matter? Active skills don't matter? Are you high?
You made the assertion Templar's before TG were good. To be good objectively they must be better than at least 1 class. They weren't and Major Mending barely puts them on par with Stamina Sorc now, possibly slightly ahead. NB and DK are still the best stamina builds. You do realize without major mending Stamplar lost their only class defensive strength, heals, right? Before TG there was no reason to pick Stamina Templar at all. Biting Jabs and 6% WD was not enough.
Generally speaking Jabs is a liability in pvp. You can make it work, but your opponent has to be inferior than yourself or already beat when you do. Tornado and WB are better, and any class can have those. I'll be honest the only reason I tend to slot aedric spear skills is so I can actually have my passives. The KB on Javelin is nice too... except I can get the same thing on wrecking blow, and it hits like a truck and empowers. Jabs dps is also reliant on your proc. I'm not saying I don't make kills with my Stamplar, but I find its against bad players who don't know how to use the 1,001 defenses and mobility skills they have at their disposal.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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✭But you don't need major brutality when you can just hide safely in your templar house!P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!1 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭What are yall usingTheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
No one uses drain power, at least not seriously. I've seen like one niche NB build that used drain power once, but the builder quickly replaced it with rally.
Drain power also doesn't heal you, get out of here with your facts.
Templar gets a ton of damage from built in passives, use rally like everyone else and get over it.
Stamplar has been insanely good, ESO in general is a one dimension game for every class.
OdinForge: "Stamplar has been insanely good."
kek.
Sorry bro, if you think Stamplar hasn't been good, you simply don't play it right. L2P might apply here.
Every class relies on 2H for the same reasons, any niche build that drops 2H is simply that, niche.
Until major mending with Rune in TG Stamplar was easily the worst Stamina class, what are you talking about?
I'm not going to sit here and defend your class for you, if you want to be good with a class/build in ESO right now you have to min/max. It doesn't really matter what your class is, major brutality as a class based skill isn't going to change that.
Templar has to be made up of the most uninformed player-base. With only a handful of players who know what they're doing, deviating from your ideas of average.
How would granting access to entirely different skill bar not going to change anything? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
The three other classes have an assortment of end-game-viable builds that use a MAJORITY of their own class abilities. Even after TG, Templars are now forced to fill their bars with Resto or 2-Hander depending on their resource. That is straight up inequality.
What are you even talking about!?
You actually came into this thread acting like NB uses drain power, and that it also heals. And I don't know what I'm talking about, whatever you're on get me some.
Feel free to read up on the Patch Notes if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
Or compare any guide there is and notice that not a single Templar build boasts the same amount of Class abilities as the other three.
Templars are inherently the least-thought-out class that relies the most on abilities that everyone else has access to. I'm trying to raise awareness of an egregious oversight.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
lol i would love if templars got a major brut buff, but that should not stop you from running the build you want to run just use a wpn dmg pot man.Darkonflare15 wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »I'm a nb...I use rally...rally is not a nb skill...it is a 2h skill...you are templar...you can use 2h skills...you can use rally...you have major brut hooray!
You have a damaging AOE heal that ALSO grants Major Brutality. You don't HAVE to run 2Hand. That's my point. Templars HAVE to, which is why Stamplars have the most 1-dimensional rotation in the game.
Use a potion. You can get almost every buff in the game by using potions . The buffs even last longer than most skills. If you do not want to use a potions than you really do not want Major brutality at all.
A viable option, for sure...
Unless you want Immovable, Detection, Health, etc.
Niche-Rich-Man builds...smh
The point is you have options man, you just don't want to use those options or give up anything and instead want another option so you can run your niche bow/S&B build or whatever it is you want to do.
If you present the argument that X class can do Y, therefore, my class should be able to do Y then what the hell is the point of classes in first place? At some point there has to be some difference right? do we really want to open that can of worms?
Fyi, some of the top players (pvp wise, i dont pve) in the game play stam and mag templar. There is just a wider gap between the "best in class" and the "learning to play".
Also this doesn't matter...it will be years before zos will be able to implement such a monumental change.
It's not a matter of being more like X. It's a matter of being more like X, Y, & Z.
You're not X, Y or Z you are W, you chose W, if you want to be X, Y or Z go be them. If you want W to be X, Y or Z, well too bad it cant be because X, Y and Z already exist, therefore W is W.
You do realize that I agreed with you that they should have the buff right??? was just pointing out that you have other options and even an option that would allow you run whatever the f**k you wanted to.
Best of luck bud.0
