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Anyone else have a problem with the DX11 move?

  • EnemyOfDaState
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    crislevin wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    You can buy a card that will run this game and anything else with DX11 for less than $50 USD. Check out newegg.com

    Thanks. I will be checking newegg.

    you may want to use pcpartpicker.com, it pools prices from multiple sources, including newegg.

    ESO is not a very demanding game, anything at or above GTX960 and R9 280 would give you good fps at 1080p+high settings.
    Agreed the 3GB Sapphire R9 280 is a very solid card.
  • Mr_Nobody
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    If something, a company should always do its best to increase the performance, not decrease it. Even if an unintended failure happens, its unacceptable.

    At the current scenario, it is beyond unacceptable since PTS was up for a month and the issues were known.

    The targets this company has need to be reviewed and redecisioned. I am speaking from a company's perspective. They tried to reach the target of Time and got it, meanwhile lost nearly everything else.

    Idk how Riot deals with their stuff now, but a few years ago if something went wrong they would put all of their resources to remove the issues and increase the quality of the game play. That includes giving free in-game currency for their side failures.

    Zos does everything pretty much the same, except the other way around.

    Successful company:

    1) Plans to create something
    2) Creates something (alpha)
    3) Tests Alpha
    4) Creates something else (beta)
    5) Tests Beta
    6) Tests Beta again, collects customer feedback (pts?)
    7) Fixes Beta to meet the best possible customer feedback
    8) Triple checks if everything is working fine
    9) Releases
    10) Waits for customer feedback and puts all needed resources to fix major (UNKNOWN) issues ASAP

    Zos:

    1) Plans to create something
    2) Creates something
    3) Creates an Alpha/Beta altogether PTS server where customers can give their feedback
    4) Feedback? Wut? Whats that?
    5) Checks forum for major complaints/issues with an exception of the Templar threads
    6) Fixes MINOR issues
    7) Releases
    8) Promises to fix all of the Major issues which were known 1 month ago during testing
    9) ...? 1)

    Sounds like an intentional destruction of a company.
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  • TheHsN
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    yes i have a problem with this...

    Here in my country graphic cards are very very very expensive..and now i cant afford it.. gtx960 1100 turkish lira!!! even it is mid quality card...iwas and still long time eso member plus...so everything is now for big nothing...

    but i respect people who wants to have better performance in the game so there is already nothing to do..

    it is for me an end for eso...:)
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  • lardvader
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    I think it's sad for people that discovered this last night, but hey if you don't have a DX11 compatible card it's really time to upgrade. We're talking DX from 2009 and I totally understand that the devs won't support older versions anymore.

    I think they started warning people about this over a year ago but they could maybe have stressed this issue a little clearer closer to the launch.
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  • Dymence
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    Rylana wrote: »
    Ignotus wrote: »
    Also, if you look up the system requirements in the support area, it says that DX11 was a minimum requirement since October, so 5 months ago at least.
    Updated 10/12/2015
    PC Minimum System Requirements**:
    • Operating System: Windows 7 32-bit
    • Processor: Intel i3 or AMD 3870 generation processors or higher
    • System RAM: 3GB
    • Hard Disk Space: 85GB free HDD space
    • GPU: Direct X 11.0 compliant video card with 1GB RAM (NVidia GeForce 460 or AMD Radeon 6850)
    • Sound: DirectX compatible sound card
    • Internet: Internet Broadband Connection*

    The funniest part about those minimum reqs (460 and 6850) is that the Nvidia 460 is the first DX11 nvidia card, and had a host of issues under the 11.0 release, it wasnt until 11.1 that they were fully compatible. Many driver issues.
    The 6850 is actually comparable to GTX 580, almost twice as powerful as a GTX460. You can actually make minimum reqs with radeon in the 5000 series, as far back as the HD 5450 (though you probably couldnt even get frames above single digits with that card on lowest settings)

    But a DX11 compliant card that can run ESO well? GTX 700+ or Radeon 7700+ or go home. There are better running non compliant cards that performed better in benchmarks all the way through the 200 300 and 400 series than a lot of the 500 and 600 series did. (hell a GT 240 DDR5 running at 550 mhz could run this game at 30+ FPS, and that was a DX 10.1 card, i know because I used to have one in my old machine before I got this one a couple months after ESO launched)

    That was my whole point. DX11 compliance =/= good performance, at all. The drivers were a mess back then. It took Nvidia 3-4 years to get it right.

    I recently got a new pc myself, because it dated back to 2007 with having a radeon HD 5770 and an intel E8400 3.0ghz duo core and 4GB ram. It was able to run the new ESO patch. It sure as hell wasn't pretty, but it was running. What are you even on about with all the system requirements?
  • WalkingLegacy
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    Rylana wrote: »
    Here is an extreme example of why DX11 compliance does not necessarily mean its a better card.

    The GTX 295, this card is a legend.

    DX 10.1 (yes its not DX11 compliant).

    Benchmarks as fast (or faster) as a GTX 480, 570, 660, and can even hang in there with some of the 700 series.

    Benchmarks as fast (or faster) as a Radeon 6970, 7850, R9 265 and can hang in there with the 7870

    The difference? Only the 295 is not DX11 compliant. The 295 can no longer run ESO, even tho with the exception of the 7870 actually benchmarks higher than every single card listed here, and was manufactured in 2009, 2-4 years before any of those other cards.


    *shrug* All you guys applauding "progress" are a bit misinformed. Some of the best GFX cards are older models. The 200 series was AMAZING for performance in general. Compare that with the Radeon 5450 or GT430 that came out 2 years later, and tell me which card is better (hint, the 295 is more than five times as powerful as both, and is a step down in dx compliance XD )

    295 is two GPUs on one card. You're comparing two GPUs to single GPU cards.
  • idk
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    Volkodav wrote: »
    The snobbery on this thread..
    Rylana wrote: »
    Right, because updating your machine every 12 months is in everyones budget?

    Also not hyperbole, DX11 GPU prevalence just passed the 30 percent mark in gamer PCs three months ago, that means 70 percent of gamers couldnt play ESO today.

    You gonna pay for all those new computers bucko?

    I can save $20 a month to be able to afford a new graphics card at the end of every 12 months. Maybe folks should stop going out to eat so much. If you can't put away at least 20 a month for savings, you have much worse problems than not being able to play a game.

    Well if someone could afford to pay the mortgage maybe the world would not be suffering. Seriously, a lot of people got destroyed by that event and some are still trying to recover from it. All because you can, doesn't mean everyone can. I've played Devil's Advocate, I've even said that ZOS gave a reasonable reason for doing what they did. But coming on here saying I can do this, I can do that isn't helping. Wait till ZOS say "Hey we're going full steam with Win 10 and not support any other version of Window" then you'll have a massive uproar. There's been 64 bit CPUs for over 11 years, but only now are we seeing a 64 bit game client, don't see ZOS dropping 32 bit do you.

    This event has taken away a fair portion of the player base. It's going to effect guild, your friends list, the amount of people available to run quests, trails and pledges.

    Do you maybe know a way of circumventing the problem with the DX11? How do we go back to playing the 32 bit?

    There isn't mate, I'm in exactly the same sinking boat as you, but I'm sitting right next to the leak as I'm on a laptop and 10,100 crowns that I can not spend. The only hope is a change of policy by ZOS but let's be honesty that isn't going to happen unless there is a severe drop in population.

    It's a shame yes, maybe ZOS will make a call to Bethesda and come up with some way to compensate us for our lost crown but I doubt it.

    Then,..I guess that's it.Until I can figure out hoe to get a new PC,which I cant.Mine cost me $1,300.00,and I'll never be able to go better than this one.
    To upgrade someone told me that Id need a new OS,.motherboard,and more.

    If you are needing to replace all that hardware just to get DX11 then that is an old $1300 PC. You can spend less than that today and get a huge improvement.

    A 5 year old $1300 PC is worth about $200 today. At that, a $1k PC today will keep you in solid gaming for a few years as long as you make a smart purchase. No need to has to upgrade every few months like some are complaining about.
  • Napoleonicus
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    My original question having been thoroughly discussed and debated, I'd like to go on a tangent here. I'm not very knowledgeable on the tech and it's uses. What exactly is it that DX handles?
  • Sevalaricgirl
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    Wow, I opened the game on a surface pro 2 and had no crashing issues. I highly doubt my surface pro 2 has an 800 watt power supply.
  • Sneaky-Snurr
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    For anyone feeling down due to their inability to log into the game, I hope this could lighten you up.
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Honestly,

    With as many people having issues as i have seen(its far more then i would have expected), im beginning to question this move.

    As can be read here

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff476876(v=vs.85).aspx

    DirectX 11 is fully backwards compatible with DirectX 10.1. In theory they could:
    1. use DirectX 11 so we all get the benefits of performance improvements.
    2. Setting the feature level to 10.1 thus all us DirectX 11 people get the improved game performance while not locking out the DirectX 10.1 people.

    Microsoft created feature levels for this very reason. Even DirectX 12 has feature levels built in and DirectX 12 games will run on DirectX 11 hardware by simply setting the feature level to 11.2 or 11.3 for compatibility while still getting the performance benefits of DirectX 12. This is how AMD 7000 series and Nvidia 700 series cards support Direct X 12 in the 1st place since those cards came out long before DirectX 12 was even developed.

    Im all about progress, my AMD cards run the game fine. However this whole thing just feels ZOS not doing a proper hardware survey. If 30% or more of your paying customers would be locked out by such a change it makes no sense to boot 30% of your paying customers, not if you want to stay in business....id say its reasonable to assume easily 30% of their playerbase can't play now(most of them probably don't even know why)...thats just bad for business no matter how you shake it...thats a huge potential loss of revenue that really makes no sense.

    Instead, a better way to go about this would have been to delay this change until the Dark Brotherhood update, collect hardware surveys from their playerbase(by collecting hardware information and uploading it to their servers) and then sending emails and messages twice a month between now and Dark Brotherhood conveying to their user base the system requirement change.

    This whole thing was very poorly communicated and it just may end up costing them big time in the money department.

    Until then and until this change is better communicated, ZOS simply needs to patch the game and set the DirectX feature level to 10.1 and then make steps moving forward over the next few months to communicated better to its customers that they are EOL support for cards that are not DirextX 11.0 or greater feature level...it makes sense from the standpoint of moving forward with technology, and it makes sense from a business and revenue standpoint. This changes was foisted on its community with very little open communication from ZOS, the fact the PTS worked with it and now the live one doesn't makes this even worse...

    you can't do business this way and be successful....ZOS needs to do the right thing for its community and set the feature level to 10.1(DirectX 11 is fully backwards compatible) and better communicate moving forward that hardware upgrades will be required for future updates.
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Again i have no issues running the game either 32 or 64 bit with my 280X(7970) Crossfire set up.

    I do however feel bad for the many who have no idea why their game just simply stopped working with no real clear communication from the developer...thats just not good at all...
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  • Tillalarrien
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    Again, I understand why ZOS decided to go that way and cant argue with their logic but you know what would be intrested to see? % of players they will loose with it, due to being unable to play. Hope they know what they r doing.

    And I discussed the issue of public TEST server already :)
    Edited by Tillalarrien on March 8, 2016 4:44PM
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  • goatlyonesub17_ESO
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    I see two sides to this debate. One side is saying that the new tech requirements on players are reasonable, fair, okay, and to-be-expected. The other side is saying that these same spec-hikes are unreasonable, unfair, bad, and overly abrupt?

    I think that one of the sides has more money than the other side does.

    It looks like I'm out of the game. The new tech requirements actually had me looking around for a new game computer. And then I said, "What am I doing? I don't have that kind of money anymore."
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  • Napoleonicus
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    Tho I started this thread, I have stated before that I do understand why it was done.

    As stated far more eloquently by others, it was extremely poorly handled by the communications department.

    I think it would have been fair that they do a mass e-mail like they have done before for promotional purposes, put an article about it in the very launcher, have a splash in game (if they can do one for their store's featured items, surely they can do one for this.).

    An e-mail, which is necessary for registering an account to begin with, would have been a surefire way to reach EVERYONE. Putting it in YouTube dev videos and patch notes does very little for the average gamer...

    That said...

    Can anyone tell me what it is that DirectX handles? I ask out of ignorance. I know it's about updating graphics, but what exactly? Handling of larger textures for photo-realistic appearance? Lighting effects? Handling of more objects? More intricate animations? All of those?
  • Napoleonicus
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    As I was typing this, I juuust received the promo e-mail for Thieves Guild. No mention of the DX11 thing.
  • sadownik
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    As I was typing this, I juuust received the promo e-mail for Thieves Guild. No mention of the DX11 thing.

    Thats what really makes me wonder what the hell Z. is doing. I am lucky enough to have proper GPU although far from top but cutting many of their clients from the product they bought and some are probably still subbing without any clear warning, thats something i have never seen.

    But the trugh is, if Z. could learn anything from the past is that - there are many people foolish enough to endure any kind of scumbagery from Z. Remember that hype after first ESO quakecon? Oh so much is coming, just sub and we will deliver very very soon! And at that time they already knew very well that they will change payment model and until then they wont release anything. That and many more incidents taught Z. that they really can do anything they want.
  • Volkodav
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    For anyone feeling down due to their inability to log into the game, I hope this could lighten you up.

    I tried this,but I cant seem to locate my eso.exe file.I looked in thre Zenimax folder and ESO is there,as are the EU and PTS files.But no xe files.
  • Avianographer
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    Rylana wrote: »
    Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.

    No, this would be like Microsoft ending support for Windows Vista (the first operating system to support DirectX 11) after a long period of time since they have released Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 in the interim. Oh, and Windows Vista will no longer be supported as of April 11, 2017.
    Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.

    This is patently false. According to the Steam hardware survey from October 2015, over 80% of gamers using Steam have DirectX 11-compatible video cards. In addition, most DirectX 11 hardware only requires 300W or lower power supplies. For instance, every integrated GPU from Intel since the Ivy Bridge era of processors (third-generation Core) are DirectX 11.1 compatible and only require minimal wattage.
    Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)

    Again, this is completely false. Every GPU from both AMD and Nvidia made after 2010 (2009 in AMD's case) is DirectX 11 compliant.
    This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.

    Please stop spreading misinformation.
    The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)

    Wrong again. Nvidia's GeForce 400-series (with the noted exception of the OEM-only GeForce 405) all supported DirectX 11 natively and were released in 2010. AMD released the ATI Radeon HD 5000-series in 2009 with native DirectX 11 support.

    Where are you getting this information? It is totally wrong on every single count.

    Edited by Avianographer on March 8, 2016 5:14PM
  • Volkodav
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    FakeAlGore wrote: »
    Rylana wrote: »
    Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.

    No, this would be like Microsoft ending support for Windows Vista (the first operating system to support DirectX 11) after a long period of time since they have released Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 in the interim. Oh, and Windows Vista will no longer be supported as of April 11, 2017.
    Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.

    This is patently false. According to the Steam hardware survey from October 2015, over 80% of gamers using Steam have DirectX 11-compatible video cards. In addition, most DirectX 11 hardware only requires 300W or lower power supplies. For instance, every integrated GPU from Intel since the Ivy Bridge era of processors (third-generation Core) are DirectX 11.1 compatible and only require minimal wattage.
    Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)

    Again, this is completely false. Every GPU from both AMD and Nvidia made after 2010 (2009 in AMD's case) is DirectX 11 compliant.
    This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.

    Please stop spreading misinformation.
    The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)

    Wrong again. Nvidia's GeForce 400-series (with the noted exception of the OEM-only GeForce 405) all supported DirectX 11 natively and were released in 2010. AMD released the ATI Radeon HD 5000-series in 2009 with native DirectX 11 support.

    Where are you getting this information? It is totally wrong on every single count.

    You do realize that not that many people use Steam to play ESO.If you dont,your being naive.
    And not all people bought their computers after 2010,so the point about their machines having DX11 is also wrong.
    Please stop spreading misinformation.
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    I have a 600 watt PS and I have a DX12 video card.
  • Avianographer
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    You do realize that not that many people use Steam to play ESO.If you dont,your being naive.
    And not all people bought their computers after 2010,so the point about their machines having DX11 is also wrong.
    Please stop spreading misinformation.

    The Steam hardware survey has been used for years by game developers (of which I am one) to judge the average feature level available to their target audience. I am not, in any way, suggesting that a majority of Elder Scrolls Online players use Steam to play their game. For PC games, Steam has a market share of approximately 70% according to Forbes. This means that the majority of Elder Scrolls Online players will likely have Steam installed whether-or-not they use it to play this game. If even 10% of those users report their hardware to Steam, that is a reasonable cross-section of the population.

    The Steam hardware survey is also fairly accurate. When it states that over 80% of reporting gamers in October 2015 (the last survey I have full access to) have DirectX 11 compatible hardware, I can trust that it is correct to within a few percentage points. That doesn't mean they have a powerful DirectX 11 compatible GPU (as would be the case with integrated graphics), but it does mean they have a feature-compatible GPU.

    You are misconstruing my words. Please do not do that. Use facts, not hyperbole.
  • Giraffon
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    Any kind of change to system requirements for the game should be direct e-mailed to all active accounts well in advance.

    If it comes to be that some day I need a faster CPU to play as a result of a patch, then I would want plenty of time either replace or make the needed changes to my system.
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  • WalkingLegacy
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    I have a 600 watt PS and I have a DX12 video card.

    That's plenty. The PSU I bought in 2010 actually has more wattage to spare with the new cards because they use less constant wattage than their older same tier cousins.
    Volkodav wrote: »
    For anyone feeling down due to their inability to log into the game, I hope this could lighten you up.

    I tried this,but I cant seem to locate my eso.exe file.I looked in thre Zenimax folder and ESO is there,as are the EU and PTS files.But no xe files.

    Look in your documents folder. Should be elderscrollsonline folder in there.
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    Decent amount of new in box DX11 cards on eBay for $25-35.

    Or you can get a DX12 for $55 and get the 5x eBay bucks offer, too.

    It's such a small fix if you just want to get the job done. It's not like you cared about top-of-the-line gfx if this is actually a game-breaking problem for you...
    signing off
  • Frigilius
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    I'm one of those people with a pre-directx 11 video card, and while I understand the need for evolving technology, I think a lot of you people--and I don't actually mean Zenimax staff-- are being real a-holes about how a lot of people have been left behind by this evolution in the game. I also think Zenimax might be a little less cowardly about it and at least address those left behind. And I know I can get a new video card for under $50 and I will but still this whole thing has been a pain in the backside and it even makes me question whether I really want to go on with this game, the churlish people who put it out and the even more churlish people who live in these forums.
  • EnemyOfDaState
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    Volkodav wrote: »
    FakeAlGore wrote: »
    Rylana wrote: »
    Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.

    No, this would be like Microsoft ending support for Windows Vista (the first operating system to support DirectX 11) after a long period of time since they have released Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 in the interim. Oh, and Windows Vista will no longer be supported as of April 11, 2017.
    Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.

    This is patently false. According to the Steam hardware survey from October 2015, over 80% of gamers using Steam have DirectX 11-compatible video cards. In addition, most DirectX 11 hardware only requires 300W or lower power supplies. For instance, every integrated GPU from Intel since the Ivy Bridge era of processors (third-generation Core) are DirectX 11.1 compatible and only require minimal wattage.
    Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)

    Again, this is completely false. Every GPU from both AMD and Nvidia made after 2010 (2009 in AMD's case) is DirectX 11 compliant.
    This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.

    Please stop spreading misinformation.
    The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)

    Wrong again. Nvidia's GeForce 400-series (with the noted exception of the OEM-only GeForce 405) all supported DirectX 11 natively and were released in 2010. AMD released the ATI Radeon HD 5000-series in 2009 with native DirectX 11 support.

    Where are you getting this information? It is totally wrong on every single count.

    You do realize that not that many people use Steam to play ESO.If you dont,your being naive.
    And not all people bought their computers after 2010,so the point about their machines having DX11 is also wrong.
    Please stop spreading misinformation.

    Lol dude stop Steam is the most popular platform for gaming on PC if they say 80% of their users (millions of people) have DX11 capable Video Cards then that is the standard. You are talking about regular Walmart computers from 7 years ago while everyone else is talking about actual gaming PC's.
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  • stewart.leslie76b16_ESO
    Volkodav wrote: »
    FakeAlGore wrote: »
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    Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.

    No, this would be like Microsoft ending support for Windows Vista (the first operating system to support DirectX 11) after a long period of time since they have released Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 in the interim. Oh, and Windows Vista will no longer be supported as of April 11, 2017.
    Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.

    This is patently false. According to the Steam hardware survey from October 2015, over 80% of gamers using Steam have DirectX 11-compatible video cards. In addition, most DirectX 11 hardware only requires 300W or lower power supplies. For instance, every integrated GPU from Intel since the Ivy Bridge era of processors (third-generation Core) are DirectX 11.1 compatible and only require minimal wattage.
    Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)

    Again, this is completely false. Every GPU from both AMD and Nvidia made after 2010 (2009 in AMD's case) is DirectX 11 compliant.
    This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.

    Please stop spreading misinformation.
    The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)

    Wrong again. Nvidia's GeForce 400-series (with the noted exception of the OEM-only GeForce 405) all supported DirectX 11 natively and were released in 2010. AMD released the ATI Radeon HD 5000-series in 2009 with native DirectX 11 support.

    Where are you getting this information? It is totally wrong on every single count.

    You do realize that not that many people use Steam to play ESO.If you dont,your being naive.
    And not all people bought their computers after 2010,so the point about their machines having DX11 is also wrong.
    Please stop spreading misinformation.

    Seriously, you really do want to look at the link I posted earlier. I'll do you a favour and post it again.

    http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

    For those that can't be bothered to click on it, I'll give you a summary. DX11 ruled for October, November and December and probably for the previous months as well. Want to guess which was in the lead for January and February?


    Go on, have a guess....

    You're close but not quite there...

    Yes that's right, DX8 or lower.... DX9 hardly anyone has got.
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