Agreed the 3GB Sapphire R9 280 is a very solid card.dimensional wrote: »You can buy a card that will run this game and anything else with DX11 for less than $50 USD. Check out newegg.com
Thanks. I will be checking newegg.
you may want to use pcpartpicker.com, it pools prices from multiple sources, including newegg.
ESO is not a very demanding game, anything at or above GTX960 and R9 280 would give you good fps at 1080p+high settings.
Also, if you look up the system requirements in the support area, it says that DX11 was a minimum requirement since October, so 5 months ago at least.Updated 10/12/2015
PC Minimum System Requirements**:
- Operating System: Windows 7 32-bit
- Processor: Intel i3 or AMD 3870 generation processors or higher
- System RAM: 3GB
- Hard Disk Space: 85GB free HDD space
- GPU: Direct X 11.0 compliant video card with 1GB RAM (NVidia GeForce 460 or AMD Radeon 6850)
- Sound: DirectX compatible sound card
- Internet: Internet Broadband Connection*
The funniest part about those minimum reqs (460 and 6850) is that the Nvidia 460 is the first DX11 nvidia card, and had a host of issues under the 11.0 release, it wasnt until 11.1 that they were fully compatible. Many driver issues.
The 6850 is actually comparable to GTX 580, almost twice as powerful as a GTX460. You can actually make minimum reqs with radeon in the 5000 series, as far back as the HD 5450 (though you probably couldnt even get frames above single digits with that card on lowest settings)
But a DX11 compliant card that can run ESO well? GTX 700+ or Radeon 7700+ or go home. There are better running non compliant cards that performed better in benchmarks all the way through the 200 300 and 400 series than a lot of the 500 and 600 series did. (hell a GT 240 DDR5 running at 550 mhz could run this game at 30+ FPS, and that was a DX 10.1 card, i know because I used to have one in my old machine before I got this one a couple months after ESO launched)
That was my whole point. DX11 compliance =/= good performance, at all. The drivers were a mess back then. It took Nvidia 3-4 years to get it right.
Here is an extreme example of why DX11 compliance does not necessarily mean its a better card.
The GTX 295, this card is a legend.
DX 10.1 (yes its not DX11 compliant).
Benchmarks as fast (or faster) as a GTX 480, 570, 660, and can even hang in there with some of the 700 series.
Benchmarks as fast (or faster) as a Radeon 6970, 7850, R9 265 and can hang in there with the 7870
The difference? Only the 295 is not DX11 compliant. The 295 can no longer run ESO, even tho with the exception of the 7870 actually benchmarks higher than every single card listed here, and was manufactured in 2009, 2-4 years before any of those other cards.
*shrug* All you guys applauding "progress" are a bit misinformed. Some of the best GFX cards are older models. The 200 series was AMAZING for performance in general. Compare that with the Radeon 5450 or GT430 that came out 2 years later, and tell me which card is better (hint, the 295 is more than five times as powerful as both, and is a step down in dx compliance XD )
stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »The snobbery on this thread..dimensional wrote: »Right, because updating your machine every 12 months is in everyones budget?
Also not hyperbole, DX11 GPU prevalence just passed the 30 percent mark in gamer PCs three months ago, that means 70 percent of gamers couldnt play ESO today.
You gonna pay for all those new computers bucko?
I can save $20 a month to be able to afford a new graphics card at the end of every 12 months. Maybe folks should stop going out to eat so much. If you can't put away at least 20 a month for savings, you have much worse problems than not being able to play a game.
Well if someone could afford to pay the mortgage maybe the world would not be suffering. Seriously, a lot of people got destroyed by that event and some are still trying to recover from it. All because you can, doesn't mean everyone can. I've played Devil's Advocate, I've even said that ZOS gave a reasonable reason for doing what they did. But coming on here saying I can do this, I can do that isn't helping. Wait till ZOS say "Hey we're going full steam with Win 10 and not support any other version of Window" then you'll have a massive uproar. There's been 64 bit CPUs for over 11 years, but only now are we seeing a 64 bit game client, don't see ZOS dropping 32 bit do you.
This event has taken away a fair portion of the player base. It's going to effect guild, your friends list, the amount of people available to run quests, trails and pledges.
Do you maybe know a way of circumventing the problem with the DX11? How do we go back to playing the 32 bit?
There isn't mate, I'm in exactly the same sinking boat as you, but I'm sitting right next to the leak as I'm on a laptop and 10,100 crowns that I can not spend. The only hope is a change of policy by ZOS but let's be honesty that isn't going to happen unless there is a severe drop in population.
It's a shame yes, maybe ZOS will make a call to Bethesda and come up with some way to compensate us for our lost crown but I doubt it.
Then,..I guess that's it.Until I can figure out hoe to get a new PC,which I cant.Mine cost me $1,300.00,and I'll never be able to go better than this one.
To upgrade someone told me that Id need a new OS,.motherboard,and more.
Napoleonicus wrote: »As I was typing this, I juuust received the promo e-mail for Thieves Guild. No mention of the DX11 thing.
Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »For anyone feeling down due to their inability to log into the game, I hope this could lighten you up.
Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.
Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.
Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)
This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.
The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)
FakeAlGore wrote: »Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.
No, this would be like Microsoft ending support for Windows Vista (the first operating system to support DirectX 11) after a long period of time since they have released Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 in the interim. Oh, and Windows Vista will no longer be supported as of April 11, 2017.Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.
This is patently false. According to the Steam hardware survey from October 2015, over 80% of gamers using Steam have DirectX 11-compatible video cards. In addition, most DirectX 11 hardware only requires 300W or lower power supplies. For instance, every integrated GPU from Intel since the Ivy Bridge era of processors (third-generation Core) are DirectX 11.1 compatible and only require minimal wattage.Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)
Again, this is completely false. Every GPU from both AMD and Nvidia made after 2010 (2009 in AMD's case) is DirectX 11 compliant.This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.
Please stop spreading misinformation.The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)
Wrong again. Nvidia's GeForce 400-series (with the noted exception of the OEM-only GeForce 405) all supported DirectX 11 natively and were released in 2010. AMD released the ATI Radeon HD 5000-series in 2009 with native DirectX 11 support.
Where are you getting this information? It is totally wrong on every single count.
You do realize that not that many people use Steam to play ESO.If you dont,your being naive.
And not all people bought their computers after 2010,so the point about their machines having DX11 is also wrong.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I have a 600 watt PS and I have a DX12 video card.
Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »For anyone feeling down due to their inability to log into the game, I hope this could lighten you up.
I tried this,but I cant seem to locate my eso.exe file.I looked in thre Zenimax folder and ESO is there,as are the EU and PTS files.But no xe files.
FakeAlGore wrote: »Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.
No, this would be like Microsoft ending support for Windows Vista (the first operating system to support DirectX 11) after a long period of time since they have released Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 in the interim. Oh, and Windows Vista will no longer be supported as of April 11, 2017.Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.
This is patently false. According to the Steam hardware survey from October 2015, over 80% of gamers using Steam have DirectX 11-compatible video cards. In addition, most DirectX 11 hardware only requires 300W or lower power supplies. For instance, every integrated GPU from Intel since the Ivy Bridge era of processors (third-generation Core) are DirectX 11.1 compatible and only require minimal wattage.Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)
Again, this is completely false. Every GPU from both AMD and Nvidia made after 2010 (2009 in AMD's case) is DirectX 11 compliant.This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.
Please stop spreading misinformation.The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)
Wrong again. Nvidia's GeForce 400-series (with the noted exception of the OEM-only GeForce 405) all supported DirectX 11 natively and were released in 2010. AMD released the ATI Radeon HD 5000-series in 2009 with native DirectX 11 support.
Where are you getting this information? It is totally wrong on every single count.
You do realize that not that many people use Steam to play ESO.If you dont,your being naive.
And not all people bought their computers after 2010,so the point about their machines having DX11 is also wrong.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
FakeAlGore wrote: »Except for said progress would be like basically ending support for windows 8 entirely tomorrow just because windows 10 launched a couple months ago.
No, this would be like Microsoft ending support for Windows Vista (the first operating system to support DirectX 11) after a long period of time since they have released Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 in the interim. Oh, and Windows Vista will no longer be supported as of April 11, 2017.Most gamers are still using 10.1 DX cards, DX11 cards are ultra expensive and most require 800+ watt power supplies.
This is patently false. According to the Steam hardware survey from October 2015, over 80% of gamers using Steam have DirectX 11-compatible video cards. In addition, most DirectX 11 hardware only requires 300W or lower power supplies. For instance, every integrated GPU from Intel since the Ivy Bridge era of processors (third-generation Core) are DirectX 11.1 compatible and only require minimal wattage.Even if you bought a brand spanking new gaming rig in mid 2013 (just under 3 years ago) you only have a 50/50 shot of having a DX11 card (GTX 700 and Radeon HD 7700 or better)
Again, this is completely false. Every GPU from both AMD and Nvidia made after 2010 (2009 in AMD's case) is DirectX 11 compliant.This isnt progress. Most user PCs wont even run a card like that, we are talking a whole new machine just to play the same game that we all played yesterday.
Please stop spreading misinformation.The DX installed on your system has nothing to do with the DX a graphics card can run, in the latter case, its almost 3 years behind the first. (ie: win 7 came with DX11 in 2010, but video cards that supported it natively without relying on DX10.1 codecs didnt come out until 2013 Q4 with the GTX 680)
Wrong again. Nvidia's GeForce 400-series (with the noted exception of the OEM-only GeForce 405) all supported DirectX 11 natively and were released in 2010. AMD released the ATI Radeon HD 5000-series in 2009 with native DirectX 11 support.
Where are you getting this information? It is totally wrong on every single count.
You do realize that not that many people use Steam to play ESO.If you dont,your being naive.
And not all people bought their computers after 2010,so the point about their machines having DX11 is also wrong.
Please stop spreading misinformation.