For the love of Talos!! Fix Wrecking Blow and fear

Burning_Talons · March 2016

Lets start with fear
Unblockable
Effects 3 people
Makes you leave where you were
Doesn't break on damage

This is absolutely broken and before you say "Just break free" well see as a Magic user I can't why? Because it drains my stam to where I cant inly break free 1 or 2 times basically giving the NB a free kill.

This ability needs to break on damage nuff said. This skill was created to even odds if outnumbered not so you can spam it leaving magic builds defenseless.

Inb4Forumblades with there only response to any thread about em "If X gets X then X will be obsolete making NBs useless" no its called adaption get use to it.

Wrecking Blow is all that bad
Hits even when out of range
Buffs itself
CC
Costs virtually nothing

This ability just needs a hit detection fix, cost more or make it bashable.

Earlier I seen a thread saying Break free should be its own RSS pool and I agree because stam users have a huge advantage towards CC

@ZOS

Moderator edit - Title edited for mild profanity

Master_Kas · March 2016

It never stops xD

They just need to fix the broken CCbreak and cc immunity overall.

Wollust · March 2016

Stamina management, ever heard of it? Vital part of PvP.

Troneon · March 2016

RIP pvp

aLi3nZ · March 2016

Wrecking should be interruptible with crushing shock and bash.

Op needs to adapt and find a way to get better stamina management. For example use will power rings with robust trait and use Tri pots and put some cp points into tumbling or moon calf. I agree with you about wrecking blow and fear needs to allow break free earlier and cc imunity needs to apply properly.

david.haypreub18_ESO · March 2016

Wrecking Blow was interruptible. Then Wrobel decided it shouldn't be... because anything that gets in the way of DPS isn't 'fun'. And voila, that's where we've been for the last year.

Burning_Talons · March 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Stamina management, ever heard of it? Vital part of PvP.

I try but its hard to manage stam when it doesnt regen because you have to jeep blocking WB

D0ntevenL1ft · March 2016

Lol @ bashing WB, just remove it instead.

Baconlad · March 2016

Yeah...stamina management...i agree unfortunately. I'd love to be able to have max magic and max health food on...but my regens as a nord templar SUCK...i don't typically run out of stamina though. Back on topic the skills are both broken, they need to ensure all CCs and immunities are the same across the board

Baconlad · March 2016

As in...they all are breakable...that would be a start...

Junkogen · March 2016

I'm tired of ZOS listening to posts like this when the solution is in the post, but the poster refuses to use the solution. Stamina management. Fear can be broken free from using stamina. There's already a counter.

Stop the nerfs.

Ilterendi · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

no its called adaption get use to it.

@ZOS

Shadow Cloak got the nerfs. This is now the meta. "Get used to it."

Burning_Talons · March 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

I'm tired of ZOS listening to posts like this when the solution is in the post, but the poster refuses to use the solution. Stamina management. Fear can be broken free from using stamina. There's already a counter.

Stop the nerfs.

2 things
*Fear doesnt always break
*As I said before cant manage stam against a WB spammer as a magic build unless i want to die

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

I'm tired of ZOS listening to posts like this when the solution is in the post, but the poster refuses to use the solution. Stamina management. Fear can be broken free from using stamina. There's already a counter.

Stop the nerfs.

2 things
*Fear doesnt always break
*As I said before cant manage stam against a WB spammer as a magic build unless i want to die

Maybe use a different build then?

RebornV3x · March 2016

I have no problem with Wrecking Blow they need to increase the wind up time so its not so spammable

Artjuh90 · March 2016

haha so funny i predicted this. the most broken skill of a NB isn't fixed so people won't stop QQ about the NB. You see now that cloak wasn't that broken and had enough counters. fear is way worse then cloak if you look how it works. oh well some things never change

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and btw OP magicka sorc by any chance would make alot clear because they are already overpowered as F and still think they need buffed.
and i play all 4 classes so i know each class and what they can do.

and i forgot to add. magicka builds have it way easier with damage distrubution in CP and with recource management. so why can't have a stamina build have something over a magicka user.
yes you might say we can dodgeroll and block more but we all know what has been done to that........
so it makes sense stam users have beter CC to at least even some things out

Bofrari · March 2016

All you posters should l2p I run a mag templar and mag spec in PvP and destroy wb spammers and nbs they are easy kills its completely a l2p issue.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Lets start with fear
Unblockable
Effects 3 people
Makes you leave where you were
Doesn't break on damage

This is absolutely broken and before you say "Just break free" well see as a Magic user I can't why? Because it drains my stam to where I cant inly break free 1 or 2 times basically giving the NB a free kill.

This ability needs to break on damage nuff said. This skill was created to even odds if outnumbered not so you can spam it leaving magic builds defenseless.

Inb4Forumblades with there only response to any thread about em "If X gets X then X will be obsolete making NBs useless" no its called adaption get use to it.

Wrecking Blow is all that bad
Hits even when out of range
Buffs itself
CC
Costs virtually nothing

This ability just needs a hit detection fix, cost more or make it bashable.

Earlier I seen a thread saying Break free should be its own RSS pool and I agree because stam users have a huge advantage towards CC

@ZOS

Working as Intended, put some points in Stam so you can break free and increase your regen..

DHale · March 2016

I play a magic sorc I wished they would buff wrecking blow. Nothing wrong with it, fear gives me free cc immunity I break it in less than a second. It is not optional to not adapt to other ppls strengths, you want to build and play to be offensive and do nothing for defense. I run 7 Inpen minimum. I run immovable pots or immovable the heavy armor skill I have 50 pts in cp resistance red tree. I now have 100 in hardy. Wrecking blow hits me for 4 k even an emp hits me for 7 k to nine k. That's in light armor btw... Light. Quit asking zos to make this game any more easy mode. For fear make a separate mouse button be your break free. Also half the wrecking blows miss cause you can walk into them. I walked into a guy trying to wb me this last weekend he got so mad he gave up... never hit me once. Great players can wrecking blow anyone... Most ppl are not great players. Also for heck sake level sword and board. Spec defensive stance. Do things to make you survive rather than asking for needless nerfs.

RAGUNAnoOne · March 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

It never stops xD

They just need to fix the broken CCbreak and cc immunity overall.

THIS

Unsent.Soul · March 2016

I assume your somewhat new around here. That's great, the OP of course. Bright eyed and bushy tailed you are, ready to tackle the world. You speak of things... these things have been brought up time after time.

Standing on the soap box doesn't mesh well with this game. Preech it though, it will not go unheard. Take note though, it's all been said before.

Burning_Talons · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

I'm tired of ZOS listening to posts like this when the solution is in the post, but the poster refuses to use the solution. Stamina management. Fear can be broken free from using stamina. There's already a counter.

Stop the nerfs.

2 things
*Fear doesnt always break
*As I said before cant manage stam against a WB spammer as a magic build unless i want to die

Maybe use a different build then?

Why the hell should I change my build over one class? That is further lroof of a broken mechanic

Burning_Talons · March 2016

DHale wrote: »

I play a magic sorc I wished they would buff wrecking blow. Nothing wrong with it, fear gives me free cc immunity I break it in less than a second. It is not optional to not adapt to other ppls strengths, you want to build and play to be offensive and do nothing for defense. I run 7 Inpen minimum. I run immovable pots or immovable the heavy armor skill I have 50 pts in cp resistance red tree. I now have 100 in hardy. Wrecking blow hits me for 4 k even an emp hits me for 7 k to nine k. That's in light armor btw... Light. Quit asking zos to make this game any more easy mode. For fear make a separate mouse button be your break free. Also half the wrecking blows miss cause you can walk into them. I walked into a guy trying to wb me this last weekend he got so mad he gave up... never hit me once. Great players can wrecking blow anyone... Most ppl are not great players. Also for heck sake level sword and board. Spec defensive stance. Do things to make you survive rather than asking for needless nerfs.

This coming from the sorc? Yea id be better off if I had a 15k sheild while being feared. Or be able to streak away when low on RSS. And about the S&B i run that and WB or fear is not a magic projectile so Defensive posture is useless to that. WB is that much of a prob for me as i can sometimes run through it. Its mostly fear because i waste my stam breaking it to the point where he can WB me and I can barely block or he fears again

ku5h · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Lets start with fear
Unblockable
Effects 3 people
Makes you leave where you were
Doesn't break on damage

This is absolutely broken and before you say "Just break free" well see as a Magic user I can't why? Because it drains my stam to where I cant inly break free 1 or 2 times basically giving the NB a free kill.

This ability needs to break on damage nuff said. This skill was created to even odds if outnumbered not so you can spam it leaving magic builds defenseless.

Inb4Forumblades with there only response to any thread about em "If X gets X then X will be obsolete making NBs useless" no its called adaption get use to it.

Wrecking Blow is all that bad
Hits even when out of range
Buffs itself
CC
Costs virtually nothing

This ability just needs a hit detection fix, cost more or make it bashable.

Earlier I seen a thread saying Break free should be its own RSS pool and I agree because stam users have a huge advantage towards CC

@ZOS

Moderator edit - Title edited for mild profanity

So you are a magSorc who doesnt want to invest in stam regen? Well then get rekt! Seriously i have magSorc using drinks, which gets my stam regen to 1k, which is more then enough to CC break to no end. And there are 3stat pots, what more do you want?

mike.eso · March 2016

C'mon OP, there are loads and loads of magic users out there that can counter these things with ease and still have the dmg output and/or sustain to kill or 1vx.

The only problem with fear is the bug where you fear or get feared through walls/environment.

The only problem with wb is the crazy range it can sometimes clip you at.

Both those problems are just frustrating but not game breaking as they don't happen often enough.

I don't through out the L2P card very often but if either of these things are the only reason you keep losing fights you are the one who needs to make adjustments.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2016

ku5h wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Lets start with fear
Unblockable
Effects 3 people
Makes you leave where you were
Doesn't break on damage

This is absolutely broken and before you say "Just break free" well see as a Magic user I can't why? Because it drains my stam to where I cant inly break free 1 or 2 times basically giving the NB a free kill.

This ability needs to break on damage nuff said. This skill was created to even odds if outnumbered not so you can spam it leaving magic builds defenseless.

Inb4Forumblades with there only response to any thread about em "If X gets X then X will be obsolete making NBs useless" no its called adaption get use to it.

Wrecking Blow is all that bad
Hits even when out of range
Buffs itself
CC
Costs virtually nothing

This ability just needs a hit detection fix, cost more or make it bashable.

Earlier I seen a thread saying Break free should be its own RSS pool and I agree because stam users have a huge advantage towards CC

@ZOS

Moderator edit - Title edited for mild profanity

So you are a magSorc who doesnt want to invest in stam regen? Well then get rekt! Seriously i have magSorc using drinks, which gets my stam regen to 1k, which is more then enough to CC break to no end. And there are 3stat pots, what more do you want?

But i shouldnt have to play differently or plan accordingly to beat people! I should just do whatever i want and they should die!

Burning_Talons · March 2016

Mikmak wrote: »

C'mon OP, there are loads and loads of magic users out there that can counter these things with ease and still have the dmg output and/or sustain to kill or 1vx.

The only problem with fear is the bug where you fear or get feared through walls/environment.

The only problem with wb is the crazy range it can sometimes clip you at.

Both those problems are just frustrating but not game breaking as they don't happen often enough.

I don't through out the L2P card very often but if either of these things are the only reason you keep losing fights you are the one who needs to make adjustments.

So you are telling me I should change my whole build to counter a single broken mechanic? No thats not how it should work

vamp_emily · March 2016

lol, I created a new character today:

Stam DK, and her name is "Wrecking Blow Emily".

mike.eso · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Mikmak wrote: »

C'mon OP, there are loads and loads of magic users out there that can counter these things with ease and still have the dmg output and/or sustain to kill or 1vx.

The only problem with fear is the bug where you fear or get feared through walls/environment.

The only problem with wb is the crazy range it can sometimes clip you at.

Both those problems are just frustrating but not game breaking as they don't happen often enough.

I don't through out the L2P card very often but if either of these things are the only reason you keep losing fights you are the one who needs to make adjustments.

So you are telling me I should change my whole build to counter a single broken mechanic? No thats not how it should work

Tell me why there are so many other people playing mag versions of EVERY class that don't have the same problems that you're having then?

idk · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Stamina management, ever heard of it? Vital part of PvP.

I try but its hard to manage stam when it doesnt regen because you have to jeep blocking WB

I suggest moving out of the way instead of just sitting there with block up until death arrives. Movement is key to pvp combat.

As far as fear, it's literally the only defense a nb has. No shields. Ok, 3 seconds of invis it detection has not occured.

Jsmalls · March 2016

I wouldn't have a problem with fear if the CC break was as responsive as other CCs. You snap up from a wrecking blow immediately, but if you're feared say goodbye to character control for a minimum of two to three seconds. And even when you break that CC there seems to be a cool down for your next ability use.

Fix that then it's whatever. I'm never out of stamina, so that isnt an issue for me.